TF97
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In terms of WAR...
1. Clayton Kershaw
2. Jake Arrieta
3. Chris Sale
4. Corey Kluber
5. Max Scherzer
6. David Price
7. Zack Greinke
8. Jose Quintana
9. Dallas Keuchel
10. Madison Bumgarner
Marco sits at #37 with a WAR of 3.5
Blue Jays Discussion: Saunders > Bruce; Tulo and Bautista trade DL spots
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In terms of WAR...
1. Clayton Kershaw
2. Jake Arrieta
3. Chris Sale
4. Corey Kluber
5. Max Scherzer
6. David Price
7. Zack Greinke
8. Jose Quintana
9. Dallas Keuchel
10. Madison Bumgarner
Marco sits at #37 with a WAR of 3.5
Loosie
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He said he first felt the twinge in his back during batting practice. I have a feeling if he is still not feeling the greatest his start in Colorado might get skipped (counting out the games he'd be scheduled to start the first game of the series in Colorado)
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Pitcher WAR uses FIP which is always going to be unfriendly to Marco
Since the start of the 2015 season he is 13th in ERA and 8th in WHIP. From a pure performance and non-predictive standpoint there's definitely an argument for him being in the top 10 (although more likely he sits just outside of it).
TF97
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I know, it's just I'm on my phone so WAR was the best I could do
In terms of performance, his ERA/WHIP would put him near the top 10 but I'd peg him somewhere around 15-20.
zeke
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Diamond Joe Quimby
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Marco is 11th among qualified starters over 2015-2016 in ERA-, tied with Max Scherzer and Noah Syndergaard. Behind Arrieta, Kershaw, Greinke, Chatwood (lol), Maeda, Cole, Lackey, Bumgarner, deGrom and Price.
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Those expecting Bautista (or Edwin\any of the Blue Jays impending free agents) to be traded should probably realize the likelihood is that they'll be kept, qualified, and the franchise will receive the comp pick. (ex. the Cardinals with Pujols in 2011).
Yep. And unless the team completely collapses in the next month, it's the only reasonable move in this situation.
Are there still people who want Barney or Goins to start at SS, or has Tulo shut them all up again?
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Its actually interesting looking ahead to see who will be qualified.
- Bautista (QO)
- Encarnacion (QO)
- Dickey (QO)
- Storen
- Chavez
- Smoak
- Cecil (QO)
- Saunders (QO)
- Barney
- Floyd
That's a lot of comp picks if you fail to re-sign the ones you'd actually like to bring back (i.e. Edwin, Saunders, Cecil, Bautista).
- Bautista (QO)
- Encarnacion (QO)
- Dickey (QO)
- Storen
- Chavez
- Smoak
- Cecil (QO)
- Saunders (QO)
- Barney
- Floyd
That's a lot of comp picks if you fail to re-sign the ones you'd actually like to bring back (i.e. Edwin, Saunders, Cecil, Bautista).
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zeke
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pretty encouraging that this patient FO skipped him up to bluefield, especially since they weren't the ones who signed him. he must have really impressed in extended.
this puts A-Ball in reach this year if he excels.
zeke
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Yep... and I'll continue to stand by my assertion from earlier this season that a 3-4 month slump followed by a bounceback to close to career norms is not all that uncommon.
I still have no idea how you see them as "patient" just because Alford stayed in Dunedin.
zeke
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they moved a number of top prospects back a level (pompey hutch alford srf greene), and have only very recently made their first real promotion (srf). They have a some pretty good prospects like perdomo and harris dominating 2 levels lower than their age bracket. Seems pretty obvious what their philosophy is.
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The Appy and the GCL don't differ greatly in terms of age (20.8 v. 20.6 in 2015) or quality, and both considered rookie level ball.
The likelihood of him reaching Lansing in 2016 is very, very, very low.
zeke
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Actually there is a distinct difference in quality, and most all teenage prospects start in the gcl before moving up the appy, never the reverse.
and most any top prospect who excels in either rookie league gets bumped up a level or two before the end of the year. rarely do they stay put.
and most any top prospect who excels in either rookie league gets bumped up a level or two before the end of the year. rarely do they stay put.
I don't see how you could qualify Cecil, unless he is absolutely this-point-on-2015-level lights out. No chance he gets anywhere close to $16M on the open market.
But Saunders seemingly playing himself into the situation is certainly nice.
Reid-Foley walked 6.61/9IP with Dunedin last year. Greene had BB and K problems in his stint in New Hampshire. There was ample evidence that they weren't ready for those levels.
Hutch and Pompey clearly don't fit this category, since their inclusion has nothing to do with their ability to succeed at the next level. They were both "held back" because there wasn't room for them on the Jays.
I agree that they should have been more aggressive with Alford given his success at every level. Then again, look how he's doing this year.
We had this discussion before, but the fact remains that Anthony Alford is the only prospect who had actually earned a chance to start a level higher than he actually did when the season started.
Remember 2014, when the Jays were super-aggressive in promoting Norris and Pompey through the system? Norris got his first promotion June 18, Pompey June 27. Reid-Foley was June 16, Rios (who... I guess you're not counting him because he wasn't a top prospect heading into the season, but he's the same age Norris was at the time) May 12.
For the most part, the promotion timelines look about the same as the previous regime.
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