Value of: Saros

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Just having fun:

Saros

For

Vanecek
Sharangovich
Holtz

lol no.

Vanecek and Nemec sure.

 

[TheBeard]

lol no.

Vanecek and Nemec sure.

Yeah. It would probably take one of Hughes, Mercer or Nemec and some.

 

[TheBeard]

I’m curious if Columbus would be interested and what they would offer?

Marchenko is a piece I would want back but what else would they offer?

Viqsi what do you have to say about this?

Probably 3oa or Johnson.

 

[spaghtti]

I doubt that any GM in the league will pay a huge price for any goalie, look what it just cost Vegas for their cup winning goalie. Over paying for a goalie is the worst thing a team can doing my opinion. So certainly not willing to pay 2x 1st+ +

 

[Viqsi]

I’m curious if Columbus would be interested and what they would offer?

Marchenko is a piece I would want back but what else would they offer?

Viqsi what do you have to say about this?

I think, what with the revamped defense and the Babcock hire, that Elvis is going to get at least one more year to attempt to redeem himself.

I also would be pretty surprised if Marchenko gets traded; he's kind of already beloved.

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Probably 3oa or Johnson.

not a snowball's chance in hell

I mean, yeah, that's the sort of return that would make it make sense for the Preds, but no.

 

[Farmboy Patty]

I think, what with the revamped defense and the Babcock hire, that Elvis is going to get at least one more year to attempt to redeem himself.

I also would be pretty surprised if Marchenko gets traded; he's kind of already beloved.

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not a snowball's chance in hell

I mean, yeah, that's the sort of return that would make it make sense for the Preds, but no.

Second that, Marchenko and KJ are off the table (I hope )

 

[TheBeard]

I think, what with the revamped defense and the Babcock hire, that Elvis is going to get at least one more year to attempt to redeem himself.

I also would be pretty surprised if Marchenko gets traded; he's kind of already beloved.

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not a snowball's chance in hell

I mean, yeah, that's the sort of return that would make it make sense for the Preds, but no.

To get a top 5 goalie in the league who just turned 28, what do you think the return value is, a conditional 5th?

 

[Viqsi]

To get a top 5 goalie in the league who just turned 28, what do you think the return value is, a conditional 5th?

It's probably close to what you said. My reaction was more to the thought of the Jackets paying that.

 

[TheBeard]

It's probably close to what you said. My reaction was more to the thought of the Jackets paying that.

I do wonder if they'd be able to get the unknown Askarov for less, but would that really fit the team's timeline?

 

[Viqsi]

I do wonder if they'd be able to get the unknown Askarov for less, but would that really fit the team's timeline?

He'd fetch less in a trade but the Preds aren't trading him anytime soon either; Saros and Askarov are basically all that Nashville has w/r/t starting goaltending current and future. Pretty damn nice to have, but still all.

And if Elvis continues to not work out there are other starters. Or Tarasov will get an extended look.

 

[TheBeard]

He'd fetch less in a trade but the Preds aren't trading him anytime soon either; Saros and Askarov are basically all that Nashville has w/r/t starting goaltending current and future. Pretty damn nice to have, but still all.

And if Elvis continues to not work out there are other starters. Or Tarasov will get an extended look.

Its tough for Nashville because they're still a team in a compete now window. They're loaded with vets like Duschene, Forsberg, Josi, Johannson, McDonough... once you trade Soros you're basically telling of them that they're in for a rebuild.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

lol no.

Vanecek and Nemec sure.

Yeah. It would probably take one of Hughes, Mercer or Nemec and some.

Sorry but it looks like the Devils are not the team you’ll be trading Saros to.

 

[TheBeard]

Sorry but it looks like the Devils are not the team you’ll be trading Saros to.

I don't blame the Devils for being reluctant nor do I blame Nashville for asking for the moon.

 

[Armourboy]

Its tough for Nashville because they're still a team in a compete now window. They're loaded with vets like Duschene, Forsberg, Josi, Johannson, McDonough... once you trade Soros you're basically telling of them that they're in for a rebuild.

No we aren't and I don't really know where people keep getting this from when Trotz himself have said we are in a rebuild. Trotz has already stated he doesn't care what the team does this up coming season.

He's just not going to give him away because he serves two purposes. 1. He's there to help shelter Askarov and make that transition, much like Rinne did with him. 2. He's a back up plan. In two years if they don't have faith Askarov is going to be the guy then you sign Saros long term and start trying to find someone else to replace him by the time he retires.

For the Vets we will just be waiting for them to roll off the books when the time comes. Joey, Duchene, and Mcdonagh contracts all run out in either 2-3 years which is about the time you look to make the next real push.

 

[TheBeard]

No we aren't and I don't really know where people keep getting this from when Trotz himself have said we are in a rebuild. Trotz has already stated he doesn't care what the team does this up coming season.

He's just not going to give him away because he serves two purposes. 1. He's there to help shelter Askarov and make that transition, much like Rinne did with him. 2. He's a back up plan. In two years if they don't have faith Askarov is going to be the guy then you sign Saros long term and start trying to find someone else to replace him by the time he retires.

For the Vets we will just be waiting for them to roll off the books when the time comes. Joey, Duchene, and Mcdonagh contracts all run out in either 2-3 years which is about the time you look to make the next real push.

IF they're in a rebuild, maximize Saros' value on the market, bring in someone else to be your sacrificial lamb in nets and embrace the struggle. You can't claim to be in a rebuild while not moving any of your valued pieces. In two years Jussi is gonna be 30-31 and it's a risk to assume he's going to keep up this level of play. Last thing you want is to watch him mimic the path of Darcy Kuemper where you're still getting value but not nearly what you may have been able to get.

 

[Soundgarden]

IF they're in a rebuild, maximize Saros' value on the market, bring in someone else to be your sacrificial lamb in nets and embrace the struggle. You can't claim to be in a rebuild while not moving any of your valued pieces. In two years Jussi is gonna be 30-31 and it's a risk to assume he's going to keep up this level of play. Last thing you want is to watch him mimic the path of Darcy Kuemper where you're still getting value but not nearly what you may have been able to get.

We've moved a lot of pieces the last few years, what teams like Buffalo and Edmonton have failed to realize in the past is that you need stability and vet presence lest you end up in a ten year rut. We're perfectly happy keeping Saros as our starter, he's a top 5 goalie in the league and is young enough to be good when our young guys got their prime.

 

[glenngineer]

So many directions Nashville can go. I keep hearing the term rebuild and I don't buy it. The team was in playoff contention with a couple of games remaining in the season. They had three of their best forwards and top defenseman out of the lineup for a good while. They had a young kid in Parssinen who was playing well and got injured. The team finally gave Cody Glass a chance at some minutes because of the injuries and looks to be a good fit. Novak came in and played exceptionally well. Evangelista and Tomasino came up and didn't look out of place.

All that said, you have 3 vets up front in your top 9, 5 kids that will fill out 6 of the remaining spots. We have a good fourth line in place. Keifer Sherwood is penciled in as the 9th forward in the top 9. I'd love to see Kemell come in and push him down to the 4th line and bump Smith to the bench. Even if Kemell can't do that, maybe Trotz finds a top 6 wing that's willing to commit to 2 years.

With that said, that lineup with an elite goalie could either fall flat on their face or surprise a lot of people. Someone said Trotz said he's not expecting anything out of this bunch next year but did challenge Johansen to show up ready to play. I think he's wanting to take the pressure off the young kids by not putting a ton of pressure on them. This is why Nashville doesn't trade Saros.

On the flip side, Nashville moves Saros to land a solid top 3 forward, not sure it can be done or possibly two solid top 6 forwards to bolster the lineup. Trotz has said he wants a true number 1C because he realizes that's what it takes to win the Cup. I tend to agree with him that a 1C is more important than an elite goalie. Does he package Saros with some young talent and picks to go after a 1C? Does he try to move up in the draft to get a potential 1C and use Saros as bait?

Trotz has to realize there is no better time to move Saros than now. He's got two years left on a great deal and is a top 5 goalie, if not top 3. The longer he waits to move him, the less he's going to get unless you find a desperate team and even then, I don't think that's going to work. Even if Askarov isn't ready in two years, I'm not signing a 30 year old goalie to a long term deal as a GM, no matter how good they are.

Maybe Trotz can add some world class wingers instead of a 1C. Does moving the 15 and 24th OA and Saros get you two forwards like DeBrincat and Keller? If not, what's the add? If you're Trotz, do you do those deals? Are these guys the types that can move the needle for you to take this team to the next level?

An elite goalie is a luxury, not a necessity in building a championship team. This team needs firepower up front and if it means moving Saros to do it, then so be it. GM's have to be bold and this is certainly that.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

No we aren't and I don't really know where people keep getting this from when Trotz himself have said we are in a rebuild. Trotz has already stated he doesn't care what the team does this up coming season.

He's just not going to give him away because he serves two purposes. 1. He's there to help shelter Askarov and make that transition, much like Rinne did with him. 2. He's a back up plan. In two years if they don't have faith Askarov is going to be the guy then you sign Saros long term and start trying to find someone else to replace him by the time he retires.

For the Vets we will just be waiting for them to roll off the books when the time comes. Joey, Duchene, and Mcdonagh contracts all run out in either 2-3 years which is about the time you look to make the next real push.

I feel like I've heard Trotz say everything under the sun. From "we're competing" to "we're in a rebuild - but don't use that word, more like a competitive retool" and... I don't think he even knows for sure. He just talks a lot and covers all the bases.

And then end of the day, we're not moving all the high-priced veterans (Josi, Forsberg, Duchene, McDonagh, Johansen)... AND... we're not getting anything significant enough for Saros. SO. Ergo, we are NOT rebuilding.

Except "on the fly"/"retooling"/etc whatever semantics fit. Trotz doesn't have any real option but to just keep on going for the middle and making the playoffs, because that's our roster, until some bigger talents start manifesting, or until coaching improves things.

But he may try to soften the blow somewhat by preparing Preds fans for the possibility of failing to make the playoffs. Unlike last off-season when it seemed a lot more likely we'd make it. So he's giving himself an out, meanwhile, since he actually has no clue whatsoever where we're gonna be.

 

[GOilers88]

Yup, the transition started when we traded Subban back in 19-20, and it has just been gradual process rather than dumping all our vets in 1-2 offseasons.

I can see how that would fly over the head of many posters here, as "trade anyone and anything of value for 1sts and suck for 5 years"" seems to be a preferred method of "rebuilding successfully" around these parts

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I can see how that would fly over the head of many posters here, as "trade anyone and anything of value for 1sts and suck for 5 years"" seems to be a preferred method of "rebuilding successfully" around these parts

That is bang-on what people seem to expect. Alas. It is not "one-size-fits-all", however.

 

[Armourboy]

I feel like I've heard Trotz say everything under the sun. From "we're competing" to "we're in a rebuild - but don't use that word, more like a competitive retool" and... I don't think he even knows for sure. He just talks a lot and covers all the bases.

And then end of the day, we're not moving all the high-priced veterans (Josi, Forsberg, Duchene, McDonagh, Johansen)... AND... we're not getting anything significant enough for Saros. SO. Ergo, we are NOT rebuilding.

Except "on the fly"/"retooling"/etc whatever semantics fit. Trotz doesn't have any real option but to just keep on going for the middle and making the playoffs, because that's our roster, until some bigger talents start manifesting, or until coaching improves things.

But he may try to soften the blow somewhat by preparing Preds fans for the possibility of failing to make the playoffs. Unlike last off-season when it seemed a lot more likely we'd make it. So he's giving himself an out, meanwhile, since he actually has no clue whatsoever where we're gonna be.

I mean he flat out said we were in a " restart " or as we like to use a " rebuild ".

Keep in mind he can't go the traditional rebuild route because of the position the team is in. Essentially the Vets can't be moved, and the only other moveable resource you have is Saros which he isn't going to move unless he gets the price he wants.

None of that is due to even wanting to be competitive but because he has two long term options, and one of them is not proven to even be an NHLer yet. The fact remains as things stand now, if Askarov fails and Saros is moved this franchise is going to be in really bad shape in net. Yes I know everyone thinks you can just run out to the corner market and get a decent goalie, but look how long some of these franchises have been throwing assets away and still haven't found the answer.

In the end that's why he isn't just selling Saros for whatever he can get. It's essentially putting all of your eggs in one basket that is just as likely to go rotten as it is to hatch at this point. I don't think he is willing to put the future in the hands of a kid who just finished his first AHL season and clearly needs another just in hopes he can be a back up, at least not unless that return is good enough to take that risk.

 

[Byrddog]

I mean he flat out said we were in a " restart " or as we like to use a " rebuild ".

Keep in mind he can't go the traditional rebuild route because of the position the team is in. Essentially the Vets can't be moved, and the only other moveable resource you have is Saros which he isn't going to move unless he gets the price he wants.

None of that is due to even wanting to be competitive but because he has two long term options, and one of them is not proven to even be an NHLer yet. The fact remains as things stand now, if Askarov fails and Saros is moved this franchise is going to be in really bad shape in net. Yes I know everyone thinks you can just run out to the corner market and get a decent goalie, but look how long some of these franchises have been throwing assets away and still haven't found the answer.

In the end that's why he isn't just selling Saros for whatever he can get. It's essentially putting all of your eggs in one basket that is just as likely to go rotten as it is to hatch at this point. I don't think he is willing to put the future in the hands of a kid who just finished his first AHL season and clearly needs another just in hopes he can be a back up, at least not unless that return is good enough to take that risk.

Will Saros still be capable in 5 years when all these young kids make it into the league? Maybe for a year or two , the baseline was set when Poile moved roster players for futures . Take Ekholm the guy has another 4 years left in him so why would Saros be looked at differently? If Trotz gets a good offer he will be moved. What a good offer is the question. Restart rebuild what ever anyone wants to call it. As well as the young guys did in there what 20 game stretch is going to be difficult to reproduce over 82 games. I expect the Preds will pick top 10 for a few years even if Saros is still the guy.

What’s exciting to me is that Trotz is not going to be Poile he will build a team giving the players the time needed before cutting and running like Poile who preferred retreads and reclamation projects. The bad thing is Trotz will not be here long term. 5 years is about as far as I see him staying in the league before retiring. I honestly believe he took this job as a retirement situation. If Poile was not stepping down I could not see Trotz coming back as the coach, so the timing worked out well for him. I hope he does have enough time to complete the rebuild and I expect he is going to be aggressive this offseason.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I mean he flat out said we were in a " restart " or as we like to use a " rebuild ".

Yes, and my point is that he has also flat out said that we aren't, that we will try to be competitive. Adding players, singing free agents, looking for a #1 center.

He has said basically EVERYTHING. Both ways. Which means you can't just pick and choose one thing and believe firmly that's what he's going to do.

So you have to read between the lines. And like we've been saying, his roster sort of predisposes a certain direction. And the fact that there is not a trade market for goalies that would meet our needs helps firm up that direction. I suspect that the moves he makes in the next 2 weeks will also help confirm that direction. And it's not going to be a "rebuild".

 

[Armourboy]

Yes, and my point is that he has also flat out said that we aren't, that we will try to be competitive. Adding players, singing free agents, looking for a #1 center.

He has said basically EVERYTHING. Both ways. Which means you can't just pick and choose one thing and believe firmly that's what he's going to do.

So you have to read between the lines. And like we've been saying, his roster sort of predisposes a certain direction. And the fact that there is not a trade market for goalies that would meet our needs helps firm up that direction. I suspect that the moves he makes in the next 2 weeks will also help confirm that direction. And it's not going to be a "rebuild".

Well I haven't seen that interview. Yes he has said he is looking for a #1 center but I didn't get the context that it meant this year in order to be competitive, more in the order of we need one and need to find him, no matter the situation.

I do however agree that what he does between now and the draft will tell us where he is really heading. He definitely isn't going to find anything in this free agent pool to be anything more than scratching to be on the bubble.

 

[jumb0]

Can we please lock this merry-go-round non-debate?

We are not moving Saros unless we get a holy shit are you serious offer.
A legit 1C/blue chip prospect/multiple 1sts.

Yes, that's likely overpaying, but that's the leverage Nashville has. Saros is a top 5 goalie in his prime on a fantastic contract. When it's time to re-sign him we should have a clear indication of just how good Akarov is going to be and can make the decision then. Sure, we may be able to get more for him now but we aren't trying to get into the Arizona/Chicago/Detroit style "rebuild" that takes years and years.