Value of: Saros

[Porter Stoutheart]

The 2 year age gap between Saros and Hellebuyck makes a massive difference for the Devils in my opinion. I would much, much prefer Saros over Hellebuyck.

To me, you might as well be saying "well, Sororkhin, Shesterkin, and Oettinger" are younger than Saros. Let's go for THEM instead!

It's like saying you want McDavid, Draisatl, Kucherov, or MacKinnon... I mean, great, everybody wants them. We all want them. But you can't get them. Not at a price that makes any sense anyway. So. Move along?

 

[TheBeard]

The 2 year age gap between Saros and Hellebuyck makes a massive difference for the Devils in my opinion. I would much, much prefer Saros over Hellebuyck.



Because I don't think you understand the depth of the Devils entire organization. Our best players at the NHL level are between 21-24 years old and we have a top 5 prospect system in the NHL, so we have a lot of expendable pieces. One of the reasons Devils were able to outbid all other teams to acquire Timo Meier.

The notion of "Blue chip" is basically a can't miss prospect. There are very few of those in the NHL and at this point I don't think either Casey or Holtz fall into that category. Nothing against them, they're good prospects, but blue chip gets overused as much as "generational" nowadays.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

To me, you might as well be saying "well, Sororkhin, Shesterkin, and Oettinger" are younger than Saros. Let's go for THEM instead!

It's like saying you want McDavid, Draisatl, Kucherov, or MacKinnon... I mean, great, everybody wants them. We all want them. But you can't get them. Not at a price that makes any sense anyway. So. Move along?

Except that it makes no sense for Sorokin, Shesterkin, or Oettinger to be traded right now. But it makes a whole lot of sense for Nashville to move Saros for a futures based return which can allow them to grow with Askarov as the future netminder.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Except that it makes no sense for Sorokin, Shesterkin, or Oettinger to be traded right now. But it makes a whole lot of sense for Nashville to move Saros for a futures based return which can allow them to grow with Askarov as the future netminder.

I guess that is a matter of opinion. Trading Saros makes no sense AFAIC. Askarov has a ton of holes in his game. He may never make the NHL. Saros is our best player. It doesn't add up.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

The notion of "Blue chip" is basically a can't miss prospect. There are very few of those in the NHL and at this point I don't think either Casey or Holtz fall into that category. Nothing against them, they're good prospects, but blue chip gets overused as much as "generational" nowadays.

Yeah I'd say there are really only 5-10 blue chip prospects in the NHL at any given time.

Luke Hughes, Logan Cooley, Simon Nemec, David Jiricek, Simon Edvinsson probably make up the list of current blue chip NHL prospects right now.

 

[TheBeard]

Except that it makes no sense for Sorokin, Shesterkin, or Oettinger to be traded right now. But it makes a whole lot of sense for Nashville to move Saros for a futures based return which can allow them to grow with Askarov as the future netminder.

At this point I don't see why the Isles continue to go for it. Sorokin is terrific but that team is older. I'm curious what Isles fans feel about Skarek and whether or not he's got a future.

Yeah I'd say there are really only 5-10 blue chip prospects in the NHL at any given time.

Luke Hughes, Logan Cooley, Simon Nemec, David Jiricek, Simon Edvinsson probably make up the list of current blue chip NHL prospects right now.

I think there's a few more, Eklund has shown he can excel in the NHL, Clarke, Guenther, Knies (unless you see him as an NHLer already), but yeah, it's not a lot and I think it should stay that way.

 

[Srsly]

It'll probably never happen but something like this could be interesting if Matthews wants to play in a US market.

Forsberg
Saros
Johansen


Matthews
Murray

 

[Byrddog]

Holtz is a winger and Vanecek is a goalie, and we already have two 1sts this year and in 25.

I'd rather have Saros and Forsberg, Duchene, Tomasino, Evangelista, Kemell and Svechkov than Vanecek and Forsberg, Duchene, Tomasino, Evangelista, Kemell, Svechkov and Hotlz.

A deal with NJ makes sense though, Saros is a top 5 goalie and Nemec isn't on the roster for them, would be a great way to improve their young roster.

Saros is not a top 5 goalie. He is a serviceable goalie that needs a good backup. Look at his game logs each year he has losing streaks that have hurt the final standing. Sv percentage and other metrics do not mean a whole lot as the losses continue to pile up. If he was a top 5 guy in the league I could agree that no offer would make sense with the predicament this team is in. As the team sits at the moment it is a 85 to 90 point team. That is if the young guys do in fact work out, so does this in Trotz eyes present moving him for the best off? That’s possible. In a team that is done with their rebound looking for a starter for 55 to 60 games it makes sense. If a team is just starting the rebuild like the Preds Saros makes little sense. He is not capable of taking the team on his back like Pekka was. Having a hood starter for the next three or four years is not going to mean much to the team. Remember Trotz has stated that he intends to rebuild the traditional way. Most Pred fans here just refuse to except that yet they pine to see the team get younger and faster. You can not have both there going to have to suck for x amount of time. If Trotz was able he would move Johansen, Duchene and possibly Forsberg as well because they do not fit in the timeframe of his rebuild. Outside Josi the D has been pretty much gutted in the last couple years how Poile did this is confusing. Since day one he had iced a ever improving D until the Subban debacle since then the D has become average.

I would like to hear what Trotz and the new coaching staff’s direction is. I don’t think GM Trotz will expect the same coaching system he used in Nashville. Or I hope it’s not he will expect defense reliability for all but he will also want increased scoring just to keep up with the league.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Saros is not a top 5 goalie. He is a serviceable goalie that needs a good backup. Look at his game logs each year he has losing streaks that have hurt the final standing. Sv percentage and other metrics do not mean a whole lot as the losses continue to pile up. If he was a top 5 guy in the league I could agree that no offer would make sense with the predicament this team is in. As the team sits at the moment it is a 85 to 90 point team. That is if the young guys do in fact work out, so does this in Trotz eyes present moving him for the best off? That’s possible. In a team that is done with their rebound looking for a starter for 55 to 60 games it makes sense. If a team is just starting the rebuild like the Preds Saros makes little sense. He is not capable of taking the team on his back like Pekka was. Having a hood starter for the next three or four years is not going to mean much to the team. Remember Trotz has stated that he intends to rebuild the traditional way. Most Pred fans here just refuse to except that yet they pine to see the team get younger and faster. You can not have both there going to have to suck for x amount of time. If Trotz was able he would move Johansen, Duchene and possibly Forsberg as well because they do not fit in the timeframe of his rebuild. Outside Josi the D has been pretty much gutted in the last couple years how Poile did this is confusing. Since day one he had iced a ever improving D until the Subban debacle since then the D has become average.

I would like to hear what Trotz and the new coaching staff’s direction is. I don’t think GM Trotz will expect the same coaching system he used in Nashville. Or I hope it’s not he will expect defense reliability for all but he will also want increased scoring just to keep up with the league.

This might be the worst take I have ever read. That is saying a lot.

 

[Soundgarden]

Saros is not a top 5 goalie. He is a serviceable goalie that needs a good backup. Look at his game logs each year he has losing streaks that have hurt the final standing. Sv percentage and other metrics do not mean a whole lot as the losses continue to pile up. If he was a top 5 guy in the league I could agree that no offer would make sense with the predicament this team is in. As the team sits at the moment it is a 85 to 90 point team. That is if the young guys do in fact work out, so does this in Trotz eyes present moving him for the best off? That’s possible. In a team that is done with their rebound looking for a starter for 55 to 60 games it makes sense. If a team is just starting the rebuild like the Preds Saros makes little sense. He is not capable of taking the team on his back like Pekka was. Having a hood starter for the next three or four years is not going to mean much to the team. Remember Trotz has stated that he intends to rebuild the traditional way. Most Pred fans here just refuse to except that yet they pine to see the team get younger and faster. You can not have both there going to have to suck for x amount of time. If Trotz was able he would move Johansen, Duchene and possibly Forsberg as well because they do not fit in the timeframe of his rebuild. Outside Josi the D has been pretty much gutted in the last couple years how Poile did this is confusing. Since day one he had iced a ever improving D until the Subban debacle since then the D has become average.

I would like to hear what Trotz and the new coaching staff’s direction is. I don’t think GM Trotz will expect the same coaching system he used in Nashville. Or I hope it’s not he will expect defense reliability for all but he will also want increased scoring just to keep up with the league.

Yeah, I stopped reading right there.

 

[Byrddog]

This might be the worst take I have ever read. That is saying a lot.

It is more realistic than your stay the course with the kids and we will be fine . Poile is that you????

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

It is more realistic than your stay the course with the kids and we will be fine . Poile is that you????

Back to the dungeon you go.

 

[TheBeard]

Yeah, I stopped reading right there.

Kevin Lankinen to the Devils for Mercer and a first.

 

[Soundgarden]

Kevin Lankinen to the Devils for Mercer and a first.

Oh, this guy is a former Preds fan, current Tampa/Buffalo fan.

 

[Byrddog]

Yeah, I stopped reading right either better stats win percentage or success in the playoffs. Hellebuyck, Georgie’s, Ottenger, Vasileski, Shesterkin, Bobtovski, Ullmark, Gustavsson. That 8 for sure that have topped what Saros has been able too. There are a few young ones that have more opportunity to be more successful in the near term as well.

I get it he’s the homer player but to just manipulate certain stats and try to affirm he is top five is just not truthful. There is one real thing that matters it’s wins. I think it was you a while ago that made the point of loser points. Maybe it was someone else none the less I see loser points as a negitive. Why because you are giving another team points. Historically Saros has had more than his share of OT games. While it is the league that developed this it does affect the way goalies should be valued.

Just looked it up Saros has 268 starts and has 27 OT losses little over 10% of the games he starts he loses in OT.

 

[GeauxPreds1]

I get it he’s the homer player but to just manipulate certain stats and try to affirm he is top five is just not truthful. There is one real thing that matters it’s wins. I think it was you a while ago that made the point of loser points. Maybe it was someone else none the less I see loser points as a negitive. Why because you are giving another team points. Historically Saros has had more than his share of OT games. While it is the league that developed this it does affect the way goalies should be valued.

Just looked it up Saros has 268 starts and has 27 OT losses little over 10% of the games he starts he loses in OT.

How do you explain him being top 5 in the vezina race the past 2 years then? Come on now. I guess you know what they say about opinions but this one is a terrible take.

 

[Homesick]

I don't see Nashville trading Saros but last summer I would have said the same about Ekholm

 

[Flgatorguy87]

I am more middle ground than most of my fellow Preds fan as far as moving Saros, but I still stand by trading him next year as my preferred option. I would happily trade him this year in a 1 for 1ish deal, but I just don't see getting a bunch of prospects for him. If we move him this year it's a big gamble to develop Askarov, but I do think it's easier to find replacement goal tending based on preds history. If the move happens this year it needs to be for a game breaking level forward or center. I really don't see that deal happening, so next year for a "package type return" is on the table if they feel comfortable with Askarov after another full year of Milwaukee games.

I think the return next summer would be similar while slightly diminished next year.

 

[Byrddog]

How do you explain him being top 5 in the vezina race the past 2 years then? Come on now. I guess you know what they say about opinions but this one is a terrible take. The awards are given out from sports writer votes. Many times they are skewed. And yes opinion is a big part of it. NHL. Com had Saros ranked 17th and sports writers had him at 15. There was one that had him 6th but I can not remember for sure but I think it was bleecher report. I take many of the articles at face value and try to focus more on performance. As I stated Saros has had a large number of OT games and they contribute 10% of his losses when reg losses are factored in he wins just over 52% . That is just not good enough to be top 5 in my book. Now could it be the forwards in front of him contributing to these numbers sure. People are quick to point to his save percentage, ok since he started to transition into the starting role each year his save percentage has dropped. He has not had a total meltdown like Binnington did or Jack Campbell but the trend still point to him being closer to an average tender than a top five that is contended. He is streaky just as Bob has been in his career but Bob showed up in the first three rounds of the PO this year. Saros has not been noticeable in the playoffs ever. The cup finals year was all Pekka. Now my opinion often runs opposite of the posters on HF and that’s ok but there more times than not I am closer to the truth. You have been around for a while recall the crap I took when I was the first wanting Weber traded. I was alone in an island there with everybody saying Weber the captain being traded your crazy. Well it came to pass and Poile missed a chance in the trade. I admit I wanted Subban but he just did not fit the system here and that exposed his weakness and led to his vale plummeting. Another player TooToo that was a fan favorite but little more than a knuckle dragged. He was given every chance , and I about threw up when he was ran out on the PP with Peter Forsberg. Then another streaky non impact player Craig Smith and Colin Wilson’s contracts after there ELC both stunk I really liked Wilson but he was just not a NHL talent. Smith found more and more special ways to not score. From day one I did not like the Johansen transaction. I watched Torts bench the guy in Columbus and noticed his lackadaisical play. He is a cancer on a team, a player that without s doubt has high skill but too damn lazy to show up nightly. Now I have liked bad players too in the early years I liked Holder and Arkipov . I was criticized after being critical of the first day of practice Radulov had and we know how all that turned out. I liked Adam Hall and did not like Scott Walker because during the lockout he made statements about reducing the number of teams in the league and indicated it would be fine with him if Nashville was one . In the early years I had the opportunity to meet all the players thru dinners lunches and special events. There were clicks then and probably now as well. The ownership has been wishy washy since day one. Many posters here are just wrong about the owners they have one objective to make money. Look at how many years it took Poile to convince them to spend to near the cap. The truth then was that Poile had to just get in to the playoffs for the money. This represented being ok with round one exit for a number of years. Then the owners eyes opened that if they could go more rounds they could make it profitable. This had not worked long term though. Since 98 when they started there have been just 4 years where hockey operations actually turned a profit. There is a article in Forbes recently listing the teams that will probably file for bankruptcy and the Preds are one of the, but do not disparr Tampa is on the list as well. So is Dallas and St Louis, Arizona I do not recall the others. But the common theme in HF is that all teams can spend like the Rangers and Leafs. So with all this background Saros is expendable now more than ever. This team is not going to be multi round capable for a few years. It makes sense to get what you can while Trotz rebuilds. The Ekholm move proved that this is a rebuild, it also appears that ownership has gone into a cost control mode. Now I can think of four or five posters here that will just crap on these conclusions. But they can not explain a way the roster improves to contention short term. The hood thing is the Preds are going thru the rebuild, the Lightning are just hemorrhaging talent and weakening the team just to stay under the cap. The Lightning have a solid core but the depth is just pitiful and they gave the Preds all the futures they had for the next two years. So I’m not just critical of the Preds situation. I do wish that Jeanott was still in Nashville and the pucks were still in Tampa.

 

[torniojaws]

Goalies are almost worthless as trade pieces at the moment.

 

[beardawg]

Saros is not a top 5 goalie. He is a serviceable goalie that needs a good backup. Look at his game logs each year he has losing streaks that have hurt the final standing. Sv percentage and other metrics do not mean a whole lot as the losses continue to pile up. If he was a top 5 guy in the league I could agree that no offer would make sense with the predicament this team is in. As the team sits at the moment it is a 85 to 90 point team. That is if the young guys do in fact work out, so does this in Trotz eyes present moving him for the best off? That’s possible. In a team that is done with their rebound looking for a starter for 55 to 60 games it makes sense. If a team is just starting the rebuild like the Preds Saros makes little sense. He is not capable of taking the team on his back like Pekka was. Having a hood starter for the next three or four years is not going to mean much to the team. Remember Trotz has stated that he intends to rebuild the traditional way. Most Pred fans here just refuse to except that yet they pine to see the team get younger and faster. You can not have both there going to have to suck for x amount of time. If Trotz was able he would move Johansen, Duchene and possibly Forsberg as well because they do not fit in the timeframe of his rebuild. Outside Josi the D has been pretty much gutted in the last couple years how Poile did this is confusing. Since day one he had iced a ever improving D until the Subban debacle since then the D has become average.

I would like to hear what Trotz and the new coaching staff’s direction is. I don’t think GM Trotz will expect the same coaching system he used in Nashville. Or I hope it’s not he will expect defense reliability for all but he will also want increased scoring just to keep up with the league.

Unintelligent and misinformed take right here, but stated with such conviction. It's almost troll level

 

[Soundgarden]

Goalies are almost worthless as trade pieces at the moment.

Then we won't trade him.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

It's hard for me not to look at the Sens and Sabres and see perfect fits. Ottawa would acquire him with thoughts of an extension, Buffalo would be more of a rental with Levi in waiting.

 

[Budz]

I fully recognize his history, numbers and accomplishments. He’s very good.

For me, small goalies are risky. I don’t want the Leafs to acquire.

 

[YP44]

I don't see Nashville trading Saros but last summer I would have said the same about Ekholm

I think Saro's availability like disappeared with trotz coming on. Sounded like they were exploring it at the deadline.