Value of: Saros

[Soundgarden]

To quote @Viqsi

There is one big difference you've failed to mention. Nashville wants to rebuild and Edmonton is in win-now, so your analogy if fundamentally broken.

I'd argue that Nashville has been quietly rebuilding the last couple years, our prospect pool is really good and we've got 8 1-2nd round picks this year and next. If Askarov continues improving and we draft a few solid defensemen the next two years we really just need a great center.

I feel like a lot of people don't really know our situation with our young players.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

I'd argue that Nashville has been quietly rebuilding the last couple years, our prospect pool is really good and we've got 8 1-2nd round picks this year and next. If Askarov continues improving and we draft a few solid defensemen the next two years we really just need a great center.

I feel like a lot of people don't really know our situation with our young players.

Yup, the transition started when we traded Subban back in 19-20, and it has just been gradual process rather than dumping all our vets in 1-2 offseasons.

 

[bucks_oil]

I'd argue that Nashville has been quietly rebuilding the last couple years, our prospect pool is really good and we've got 8 1-2nd round picks this year and next. If Askarov continues improving and we draft a few solid defensemen the next two years we really just need a great center.

I feel like a lot of people don't really know our situation with our young players.

Well that's fine, I won't pretend to know when it's time for Nashville to turn the corner, but as you say... when they do they would have Askarov to pivot on.

So the point still stands... There is a scenario where it can clearly make sense to trade Saros, depending on what your management wants to do. And that makes the analogy to Draisaitl completely off. There is no realistic way that a contender can better its team by trading an $8.5M MVP-level, big two way (when he's on) center and come out ahead.

 

[herzausstein]

Yes, apparently the ask was two 1sts + two prospects. But it may have been Saros + Ekholm.

Seems about right for both of em. Ekholm got a 1st + recent 1st round prospect + a roster player. Saros is probably about the same realistically. Id personally be willing to be flexible on the pick if the prospect is worth it (or vice versa).

 

[Eggtimer]

We need an absolute stud young player/prospect or top 5 pick, if you're not offering that we're not moving him.

A Seider, Byfield, Clarke, Nemec, etc.

A team like Pittsburgh or Toronto doesn't have what we want.

Would it have to be Nemec coming from NJ or is there any possible way something can work picking from Holtz Casey Gritsyuk Foote Vilen VV Schmid , picks .

 

[TF1970]

Curious if now given Brunette at the helm, there would be any dialogue between NSH & NJD - and if so, could Saros being a name discussed? Specifically wonder about Bratt as part of those discussions as well.... Gotta think Brunette would love to have him join in the jump to the Preds.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Well that's fine, I won't pretend to know when it's time for Nashville to turn the corner, but as you say... when they do they would have Askarov to pivot on.

So the point still stands... There is a scenario where it can clearly make sense to trade Saros, depending on what your management wants to do. And that makes the analogy to Draisaitl completely off. There is no realistic way that a contender can better its team by trading an $8.5M MVP-level, big two way (when he's on) center and come out ahead.

We don't know if we'll have Askarov to pivot on. He had a good first year in the AHL, but has a very long way to go. He may never make it as an NHL starter. It's far too early to say.

Whether you realize it or not, there have been numerous threads over the years about whether the Oilers would be better off trading Draisatl to make improvements in other areas. If you haven't noticed these threads, there is actually a poll up (yet again). It pops up frequently. I have always agreed that Draisatl should never be traded. Just as Saros should never be traded. All things "going normally" for their respective teams anyway. But sure, there is a path where if things go off the rails these things could change. If the Oilers miss the playoffs and Draisatl indicates he is not interested in extending, that to me is just as likely as Saros doing the same. The Preds won't come out ahead trading Saros, nor would the Oilers in trading Draisatl. Both players should be marked "unavailable" in any practical discussion. Hence the analogy. Even though there is an off-nominal path whereby things could change. But that exists for any player, if people are bored enough to want to chase after such longshot fantasies.

 

[Soundgarden]

Would it have to be Nemec coming from NJ or is there any possible way something can work picking from Holtz Casey Gritsyuk Foote Vilen VV Schmid , picks .

Foote is a 22y winger, we have no need for wingers and he doesn't stand out from the ones we have.
Casey is a RHD, which we need, but doesn't really have the name power we're looking for if we're moving Saros. Honestly I don't know much about him. My guess would be he'd be a good secondary asset.
Gritsyuk is another winger that doesn't stand out from the ones we have. We don't need a winger.
Vilen, again we need a d but don't know much about him.

If we're dealing Saros we can get a cheap goalie plug and probably a bad one to tank, VV or Schmid might be of interest, but again wouldn't be a primary asset.

Seems like a lot of quantity.

I think NJ makes a lot of sense for Saros, they've got a great young roster and with Saros they are definite contenders. Nemec isn't on the roster now so it wouldn't hurt your core either, otherwise it'd have to be Luke Hughes I imagine.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Curious if now given Brunette at the helm, there would be any dialogue between NSH & NJD - and if so, could Saros being a name discussed? Specifically wonder about Bratt as part of those discussions as well.... Gotta think Brunette would love to have him join in the jump to the Preds.

Nemec or a Hughes bro would be the only names that would open the conversation for me. NJ is a very rare team in terms of having that many names! 3 is a lot. Most teams wouldn't have that many.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

A UFA defenseman, a busting prospect a mid/late first and a 2nd isn't going to cut it. We have those types of players. Byfield or Clarke would need to be on the table for us to think about moving Saros.

A UFA dman in 5 years…..

I don't think those guys really do anything for us. If that's the offer then hope we keep looking. Turcotte is not looking like he's going to be much at this point.

I'd rather target a singular prospect. Nashville has so many bottom pair and mid/bottom 6 prospects we won't be able to play them all as early as next year. We need quality.

Fan of Niether team but Byfield for Saros? I’d prefer Byfield but there is risk there. I think he will be far better then Tage Thompson

 

[Soundgarden]

A UFA dman in 5 years…..


Fan of Niether team but Byfield for Saros? I’d prefer Byfield but there is risk there. I think he will be far better then Tage Thompson

You're right, Durzi is an RFA.

I would be interested in Byfield, a lot of other Nashville fans aren't interested, but I think he has big potential.

 

[bucks_oil]

We don't know if we'll have Askarov to pivot on. He had a good first year in the AHL, but has a very long way to go. He may never make it as an NHL starter. It's far too early to say.

Whether you realize it or not, there have been numerous threads over the years about whether the Oilers would be better off trading Draisatl to make improvements in other areas. If you haven't noticed these threads, there is actually a poll up (yet again). It pops up frequently. I have always agreed that Draisatl should never be traded. Just as Saros should never be traded. All things "going normally" for their respective teams anyway. But sure, there is a path where if things go off the rails these things could change. If the Oilers miss the playoffs and Draisatl indicates he is not interested in extending, that to me is just as likely as Saros doing the same. The Preds won't come out ahead trading Saros, nor would the Oilers in trading Draisatl. Both players should be marked "unavailable" in any practical discussion. Hence the analogy. Even though there is an off-nominal path whereby things could change. But that exists for any player, if people are bored enough to want to chase after such longshot fantasies.

I see those Draisaitl threads, so do the rest of Oiler fans, and you agree that they DON'T make sense. Trading your #2C who would be any other teams #1C doesn't make sense when you are trying to contend, even BEFORE you factor in his salary. Then it makes even less sense. You trade him to do what? Get a cheaper #2C? One that makes $5-6M and save $2.5 to $3M? It doesn't move the needle.

Anyway, I won't go down that road again, but most Oiler fans would be more open... or at least you can make a plausible theoretical argument... that trading McDavid and keeping Draisaitl could help you address areas of weakness with the haul received AND have the saved cap to do it.

And- sorry, but you are missing the point. The context of the two teams does matter, even your own co-fans,... those supporting a rebuild... suggest that Saros could be on the table to accelerate the rebuild.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Curious if now given Brunette at the helm, there would be any dialogue between NSH & NJD - and if so, could Saros being a name discussed? Specifically wonder about Bratt as part of those discussions as well.... Gotta think Brunette would love to have him join in the jump to the Preds.

Most of our future organizational depth is at winger. I can't see us trading Saros (and kicking off probably a true rebuild) in return for another winger (let alone one that's going to need a new contract with a sizable increase). It would make more sense if the Preds use one of their winger prospects packaged with something else to "upgrade" to Bratt--similar to the scenario if we were to pursue Debrincat.

 

[Flgatorguy87]

A UFA dman in 5 years…..


Fan of Niether team but Byfield for Saros? I’d prefer Byfield but there is risk there. I think he will be far better then Tage Thompson

I'd for sure roll the dice on Byfield. You aren't going to get him unless there's a question mark about his outcome. You just can't swap a high end goalie for a high end young C prospect who is a sure thing.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

I see those Draisaitl threads, so do the rest of Oiler fans, and you agree that they DON'T make sense. Trading your #2C who would be any other teams #1C doesn't make sense when you are trying to contend, even BEFORE you factor in his salary. Then it makes even less sense. You trade him to do what? Get a cheaper #2C? One that makes $5-6M and save $2.5 to $3M? It doesn't move the needle.

Anyway, I won't go down that road again, but most Oiler fans would be more open... or at least you can make a plausible theoretical argument... that trading McDavid and keeping Draisaitl could help you address areas of weakness with the haul received AND have the saved cap to do it.

And- sorry, but you are missing the point. The context of the two teams does matter, even your own co-fans,... those supporting a rebuild... suggest that Saros could be on the table to accelerate the rebuild.

There's zero consensus on any of this among Preds fans, and you have the entire gamut from trade Saros for whatever just to bottom out to Saros isn't being traded for anything short of a McDavid, so you'll find a Preds fan to support just about any argument you want to make at this point. All we can say for certain is Trotz is willing to listen but the price appears to be super high to make anything happen.

 

[Bellzy]

What the….

Too much? I’m pretty low on marner lol

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I see those Draisaitl threads, so do the rest of Oiler fans, and you agree that they DON'T make sense. Trading your #2C who would be any other teams #1C doesn't make sense when you are trying to contend, even BEFORE you factor in his salary. Then it makes even less sense. You trade him to do what? Get a cheaper #2C? One that makes $5-6M and save $2.5 to $3M? It doesn't move the needle.

Anyway, I won't go down that road again, but most Oiler fans would be more open... or at least you can make a plausible theoretical argument... that trading McDavid and keeping Draisaitl could help you address areas of weakness with the haul received AND have the saved cap to do it.

And- sorry, but you are missing the point. The context of the two teams does matter, even your own co-fans,... those supporting a rebuild... suggest that Saros could be on the table to accelerate the rebuild.

Yes, and just as you see some of your fellow Oilers fans suggesting a trade of one of your big stars to "accelerate your contention", I see some Preds fans suggesting a Saros trade. You think those Oilers fans are out to lunch. I think those Preds fans are equally out to lunch. The context is identical. Your quest is to Win The Cup. My quest is to Make The Playoffs. Draisatl is key to your quest. Saros is key to my quest. Once again, I believe that you are the one missing the point, sorry. You don't seem to be able to grasp the idea that this "rebuild" concept is just a fantasy at this stage. It's a very typical HFBoards take, so don't worry, I don't blame you for it, that oversimplified view is very common. Just as I'm sure you'll agree all the traffic about trading Draisatl over the years has been.

 

[Kurrilino]

A UFA defenseman, a busting prospect a mid/late first and a 2nd isn't going to cut it. We have those types of players. Byfield or Clarke would need to be on the table for us to think about moving Saros.

This is a huge problem because the Kings will not bid for Saros, not to mention this rediculous asking price

You're right, Durzi is an RFA.

I would be interested in Byfield, a lot of other Nashville fans aren't interested, but I think he has big potential.

Sorry, there is no interest in Saros.

You guys have the Devils guys offering you exactly what you want. You should go with them

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I'd for sure roll the dice on Byfield. You aren't going to get him unless there's a question mark about his outcome. You just can't swap a high end goalie for a high end young C prospect who is a sure thing.

I wouldn't touch Byfield. The question mark isn't worth it. I can get a question mark many other ways, I will draft 13 of them in a couple weeks, I don't need to trade my high end goalie for one. I would need the Sure Thing.

 

[bucks_oil]

There's zero consensus on any of this among Preds fans, and you have the entire gamut from trade Saros for whatever just to bottom out to Saros isn't being traded for anything short of a McDavid, so you'll find a Preds fan to support just about any argument you want to make at this point. All we can say for certain is Trotz is willing to listen but the price appears to be super high to make anything happen.

That's fair.

I would personally be in the "keep him even in a rebuild, since you don't want youth to be discouraged and anyway your potential franchise Askarov needs a mentor" camp.

But that's my point, if it's an active point of debate among you Preds fans, it makes sense that Trotz is willing to listen too and hence the rumor.

That is not at all the situation in Edmonton with Draisaitl... which was my point... it's NOT the same sort of situation or debate. The ONLY people ever talking about trading Draisaitl are opposing fans out of some combination of schadenfreude/jealousy (pick your poison).

 

[bucks_oil]

Yes, and just as you see some of your fellow Oilers fans suggesting a trade of one of your big stars to "accelerate your contention", I see some Preds fans suggesting a Saros trade. You think those Oilers fans are out to lunch. I think those Preds fans are equally out to lunch. The context is identical. Your quest is to Win The Cup. My quest is to Make The Playoffs. Draisatl is key to your quest. Saros is key to my quest. Once again, I believe that you are the one missing the point, sorry. You don't seem to be able to grasp the idea that this "rebuild" concept is just a fantasy at this stage. It's a very typical HFBoards take, so don't worry, I don't blame you for it, that oversimplified view is very common. Just as I'm sure you'll agree all the traffic about trading Draisatl over the years has been.

But that's my point... there is never any real/rationale discussion about trading Drai or McD on our board. Nobody actually thinks that's a good idea... except opposing fans.

Here you have some Preds fans advocating it and even have Elliott Friedman commenting on it. Hence not the same.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

But that's my point... there is never any real/rationale discussion about trading Drai or McD on our board. Nobody actually thinks that's a good idea... except opposing fans.

Here you have some Preds fans advocating it and even have Elliott Friedman commenting on it. Hence not the same.

Maybe you have those fans on ignore.

 

[gritdash60]

That's the cost. We've no interest in Valeno + Husso or whatever Detroit is comfortable giving up.

And he's an elite prospect who was just drafted like 2 years ago. He had a good playoffs, maybe it's his coming out party.

I would never trade Seider for 2 years of Saros.

I would trade 17 Byfields for a year of Saros.

 

[Armourboy]

I'll say it for the millionth time, Saros isn't going anywhere. That's not because he isn't available, I think he is, I just don't think anyone is going to be willing to come close to the price that will actually make Trotz do it.

Saros value to us just isn't in his ability, nor even in his value, but also in the value he brings in being able to help transition Askarov. Now I know to other fan bases that doesn't mean a thing or add anything of substance, but why risk that transition to a some free agent who could probably give a crap about what happens with Askarov? Not to mention what do you do if Askarov implodes, cause he and Saros are it, there isn't anything else.

People think Preds fans are being silly, but it's coming from what we know and have heard, and that's if you want Saros its gonna cost, and not low 1st and okish prospect cost.

That doesn't even get into the fact that I will have a hard time believing this ownership group would ever allow a true tank job to happen in the first place.

 

[HabsPreds]

I’m curious if Columbus would be interested and what they would offer?

Marchenko is a piece I would want back but what else would they offer?

Viqsi what do you have to say about this?