Value of: Saros

[Flgatorguy87]

I'm in the very hard minority for our fan base, but I'd realistically listen on Saros. I'd play Lankinen plus some other rando in a 60-40 split for the year. I think Saros is probably good for 10-12 wins on his own for the year when he's standing on his head. If the Preds really do want to get into that upper crust of prospect I don't think we realistically do it with Saros in net.

Very obvious, but he'll possibly be much cheaper to acquire next year, but not because of the reasons you'd think. If Askarov trends well for another year I assume they move Saros.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I think Draisatl is actually a great comparable for the Saros situation.

A fan could get into their mind the idea that Draisatl is just the thing their team needs to push them to the next level. And hey, he only has 2 years left on his contract. And hey, Edmonton probably needs some other types of elements in order to improve as a team.

So I decide to make a little Trade Proposal thread about what it would take to get Draisatl from Edmonton. Because hey, I would like to have him on my team.

Edmonton fans say "well he's not available". But... but... everybody is available! For the right price! C'mon Edmonton fans! You know this better than anybody!

Edmonton fans say, ok, technically true... but the cost would be astronomical and you won't pay it.

That's the same thing as Saros.

 

[Kibe]

Wasn't there a rumor that Kings had offered multiple prospects and draft picks? Then when it fell apart they traded for Gavrikov+Korpi.

 

[Soundgarden]

Wasn't there a rumor that Kings had offered multiple prospects and draft picks? Then when it fell apart they traded for Gavrikov+Korpi.

Yes, apparently the ask was two 1sts + two prospects. But it may have been Saros + Ekholm.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Just having fun:

Saros

For

Vanecek
Sharangovich
Holtz

yes I would do it as a NJ fan.

Nemec?

I understand that might be what Nashville would ask from teams, its just never going to happen.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Wasn't there a rumor that Kings had offered multiple prospects and draft picks? Then when it fell apart they traded for Gavrikov+Korpi.

"Fell apart" seems a bit euphemistic for what was probably a one-and-done inquiry that was immediately shot down.

 

[Soundgarden]

yes I would do it as a NJ fan.


I understand that might be what Nashville would ask from teams, its just never going to happen.

Saros isn't available for two ok wingers and a goalie we don't need though. If we're trading him we need quality.

 

[tsujimoto74]

I think Draisatl is actually a great comparable for the Saros situation.

A fan could get into their mind the idea that Draisatl is just the thing their team needs to push them to the next level. And hey, he only has 2 years left on his contract. And hey, Edmonton probably needs some other types of elements in order to improve as a team.

So I decide to make a little Trade Proposal thread about what it would take to get Draisatl from Edmonton. Because hey, I would like to have him on my team.

Edmonton fans say "well he's not available". But... but... everybody is available! For the right price! C'mon Edmonton fans! You know this better than anybody!

Edmonton fans say, ok, technically true... but the cost would be astronomical and you won't pay it.

That's the same thing as Saros.

I’m not sure how those are similar situations. Edmonton is trying to compete for the cup. Nashville isn’t even making the playoffs and sold at last year’s TDL.

Also, let’s be real, Draisaitl is viewed as one of the best players in the league. Saros is one of the best goalies, but there just isn’t any comparison to a superstar skater.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I’m not sure how those are similar situations. Edmonton is trying to compete for the cup. Nashville isn’t even making the playoffs and sold at last year’s TDL.

Also, let’s be real, Draisaitl is viewed as one of the best players in the league. Saros is one of the best goalies, but there just isn’t any comparison to a superstar skater.

That totally misses the point of the comparison. The point is they are equally unavailable. (Or equally available, if you prefer.)

 

[Bellzy]

Saros

For

Marner
B prospect
1st

 

[Unbiased Fan]

We need an absolute stud young player/prospect or top 5 pick, if you're not offering that we're not moving him.

A Seider, Byfield, Clarke, Nemec, etc.

A team like Pittsburgh or Toronto doesn't have what we want.

Yeah what you think he’s worth is not what your GM think he’s worth lol. That’s ridiculous

 

[tsujimoto74]

That totally misses the point of the comparison. The point is they are equally unavailable. (Or equally available, if you prefer.)

Does it though, because, again, Edmonton made the playoffs and were buyers. Nashville missed the playoffs and were sellers. There’s no reason to believe those 2 teams would have their (approaching UFA) “win now” pieces equally available.

 

[Soundgarden]

Yeah what you think he’s worth is not what your GM think he’s worth lol. That’s ridiculous

Our GM asked for 2 1sts and 2 quality prospects from LA. It's pretty much we get what we're asking for or he stays in Nashville. Not that hard to understand. We're not dealing Saros for wingers, ok prospects, late firsts, etc. We can get those easily, if we're dealing Saros it's because we're getting back something we can't easily get.

 

[HockeyVirus]

I don't really get hanging onto a stud goalie through a rebuild. Preds are clearly in one, they moved some quality pieces. Best case scenario, they win you games and your rebuild takes longer because you pick higher. Or their value tanks like Gibson and you move on in a few years and get significantly less.

Saros should 100% be traded. His value will NEVER be higher than right now. You can get a cheap stopgap goalie for hardly anything to bridge Askarov being ready. Saros will also be too old after the rebuild is complete.

Nashville should be moving Saros, Josi, Forsberg, and anyone else that can return meaningful value. Bring in a few top prospects to accelerate the rebuild a little bit and some top 90 draft picks. Bottom out for a few years and keep some of your current roster around to help maintain the culture you want.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Our GM asked for 2 1sts and 2 quality prospects from LA. It's pretty much we get what we're asking for or he stays in Nashville. Not that hard to understand. We're not dealing Saros for wingers, ok prospects, late firsts, etc. We can get those easily, if we're dealing Saros it's because we're getting back something we can't easily get.

Yeah Sieder Is probably worth 10 1sts. Not 2 1sts and 2 prospects.

Durzi, Turcotte, 1st 2024 and 2nd for Saros is fair maybe add another B prospect aswell

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Saros isn't available for two ok wingers and a goalie we don't need though. If we're trading him we need quality.

again I realize that'd be the ask

but you'll never get a prospect on the level of Nemec for a goalie. Never. Ever. I dont care who they are.

 

[Kurrilino]

Wasn't there a rumor that Kings had offered multiple prospects and draft picks? Then when it fell apart they traded for Gavrikov+Korpi.

It was the regular made up stuff from those rumor poop slinging guys who had every player connected to every team without any kind of source.

Those people also reported Chychrun to L.A. done deal with Clarke already on his way to Phoenix.

Yeah Sieder Is probably worth 10 1sts. Not 2 1sts and 2 prospects.

Durzi, Turcotte, 1st 2024 and 2nd for Saros is fair maybe add another B prospect aswell

Absolutely not, i don't want Saros at all regardless the costs.
If you look at the Stanley Cup final goalies and compare them to Saros, you know what i mean

 

[Soundgarden]

Yeah Sieder Is probably worth 10 1sts. Not 2 1sts and 2 prospects.

Durzi, Turcotte, 1st 2024 and 2nd for Saros is fair maybe add another B prospect aswell

Lol, no he's not.

 

[Soundgarden]

Durzi, Turcotte, 1st 2024 and 2nd for Saros is fair maybe add another B prospect aswell

A UFA defenseman, a busting prospect a mid/late first and a 2nd isn't going to cut it. We have those types of players. Byfield or Clarke would need to be on the table for us to think about moving Saros.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Saros

For

Marner
B prospect
1st

What the….

 

[Soundgarden]

I don't really get hanging onto a stud goalie through a rebuild. Preds are clearly in one, they moved some quality pieces. Best case scenario, they win you games and your rebuild takes longer because you pick higher. Or their value tanks like Gibson and you move on in a few years and get significantly less.

Saros should 100% be traded. His value will NEVER be higher than right now. You can get a cheap stopgap goalie for hardly anything to bridge Askarov being ready. Saros will also be too old after the rebuild is complete.

Nashville should be moving Saros, Josi, Forsberg, and anyone else that can return meaningful value. Bring in a few top prospects to accelerate the rebuild a little bit and some top 90 draft picks. Bottom out for a few years and keep some of your current roster around to help maintain the culture you want.

On one hand I agree, but on the other that's how you end up in a decade's long rebuild unless you strike gold on your lottery picks. Teams need some sort of semblance of an actual team. Saros is easily re-signable and young enough to go through a rebuild.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

It was the regular made up stuff from those rumor poop slinging guys who had every player connected to every team without any kind of source.

Those people also reported Chychrun to L.A. done deal with Clarke already on his way to Phoenix.



Absolutely not, i don't want Saros at all regardless the costs.
If you look at the Stanley Cup final goalies and compare them to Saros, you know what i mean

The SC goalies aren't great but there are a handful of teams that got eliminated, in part, because they didn't have better goaltending.

On one hand I agree, but on the other that's how you end up in a decade's long rebuild unless you strike gold on your lottery picks. Teams need some sort of semblance of an actual team. Saros is easily re-signable and young enough to go through a rebuild.

I find it unlikely Josi and Forsberg will accept trades either, at the least their list of destinations would be so narrow as to sap the potential return.

 

[Flgatorguy87]

Yeah Sieder Is probably worth 10 1sts. Not 2 1sts and 2 prospects.

Durzi, Turcotte, 1st 2024 and 2nd for Saros is fair maybe add another B prospect aswell

I don't think those guys really do anything for us. If that's the offer then hope we keep looking. Turcotte is not looking like he's going to be much at this point.

I'd rather target a singular prospect. Nashville has so many bottom pair and mid/bottom 6 prospects we won't be able to play them all as early as next year. We need quality.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I don't really get hanging onto a stud goalie through a rebuild. Preds are clearly in one, they moved some quality pieces. Best case scenario, they win you games and your rebuild takes longer because you pick higher. Or their value tanks like Gibson and you move on in a few years and get significantly less.

I guess we'll see if the team is in a rebuild or not. I don't think many "quality pieces" were moved at the deadline. Just Ekholm. But the return was strong, basically 2 1sts and Barrie for a 33-year old defenseman whose role and salary we had already replaced "for free" with McDonagh. Past that, what did we move? Granlund - a Cap dump. Niederreiter - very generic middle-6 winger we easily replace for less. Jeannot - I mean, you know about that one right?

So far Trotz is hedging his bets for next season. He's not sure what he has yet. So he talks about wanting a #1C and wanting to compete. He also talks about the potential for things not working out, just so the fans are ready for the possibility. He talks A LOT, basically. But I'm not seeing any true "rebuild" going on. The Preds SHOULD make the playoffs... but if not, it won't be for lack of trying to.

And "getting significantly less" for Saros isn't a factor for me... since I expect him to retire as a Predator a decade from now like Rinne did.

Saros should 100% be traded. His value will NEVER be higher than right now. You can get a cheap stopgap goalie for hardly anything to bridge Askarov being ready. Saros will also be too old after the rebuild is complete.

Nashville should be moving Saros, Josi, Forsberg, and anyone else that can return meaningful value. Bring in a few top prospects to accelerate the rebuild a little bit and some top 90 draft picks. Bottom out for a few years and keep some of your current roster around to help maintain the culture you want.

Josi and Forsberg have NMCs and are also lifetime members of the Nashville Country Club. This idea of a full rebuild just doesn't work for the Preds. I don't really know why so many outsiders seem to latch onto it. The team isn't structured that way, and the financial losses wouldn't be as easy to sustain as in other recent tankjob markets.

 

[bucks_oil]

I think Draisatl is actually a great comparable for the Saros situation.

A fan could get into their mind the idea that Draisatl is just the thing their team needs to push them to the next level. And hey, he only has 2 years left on his contract. And hey, Edmonton probably needs some other types of elements in order to improve as a team.

So I decide to make a little Trade Proposal thread about what it would take to get Draisatl from Edmonton. Because hey, I would like to have him on my team.

Edmonton fans say "well he's not available". But... but... everybody is available! For the right price! C'mon Edmonton fans! You know this better than anybody!

Edmonton fans say, ok, technically true... but the cost would be astronomical and you won't pay it.

That's the same thing as Saros.

To quote @Viqsi I feel like your post needs an another dose of Poe's Law.

Having said that, and in defense of the (have they already happened?... I haven't finished reading the thread yet) over the top refusals from Edmonton fans:

There is one big difference you've failed to mention. Nashville is beginning a rebuild (or at least that has to be the assumption if Saros goes) and Edmonton is in win-now, so your analogy if fundamentally broken.