Value of: Saros to Edmonton

[ole ole]

Watch a game sometime. Bouchard has a howitzer of a shot and is good at getting it through. Breakout passes and puck handling also great. He will put up lots of points on any teams powerplay unless that team has no talent at all

He can't play defense and is a liability 5 on 5 .Bouchard is a pp specialist period.

 

[McShogun99]

Getting a goalie like Saros would be unreal but all the Oilers really need is a goalie that can consistently play over .900 while handling a heavy workload.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

He can't play defense and is a liability 5 on 5 .Bouchard is a pp specialist period.

Ekholm and Bouchard have actually been one of the best pairings in the league at driving shot share 5v5, he’s playing 22+ a night against the oppositions best, PPG player and he’s got more 5v5 pts then PP I believe, he’s actually one of Edmontons best transition defenders and he is admittedly weak at in zone defending, net front especially. He’s also only just turned 24.

You should take that other guys advice and watch a game, not even an Oilers game necessarily, just any game so you can learn about hockey and have informed opinions.

 

[ffh]

Lol. Sure.

 

[Armourboy]

Ekholm and Bouchard have actually been one of the best pairings in the league at driving shot share 5v5, he’s playing 22+ a night against the oppositions best, PPG player and he’s got more 5v5 pts then PP I believe, he’s actually one of Edmontons best transition defenders and he is admittedly weak at in zone defending, net front especially. He’s also only just turned 24.

You should take that other guys advice and watch a game, not even an Oilers game necessarily, just any game so you can learn about hockey and have informed opinions.

No offense but him playing with Ekholm would actually make me concerned of just how bad his defensive game really is. Ekholm can pretty much make anyone look good, he has been doing it his entire career, which is why I said for years if I had to pick a Dman first it would have been Ekholm and not Josi.

A guy like Ekholm also allows him to play a more offensive game, he won't have that guy to play with in Nashville, and we definitely don't need another Dman that is all offense and no defense.

2ndly all the Bouchard talk doesn't really matter anyways, Trotz has always said he wouldn't trade him for anything but a game changing type player, and he ain't on that level.

 

[Double Dion]

Watching Oiler fans claim Bouchard is good defensively is pretty comical. It's about as true as saying McDavid is slow.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Oilers might even be alright with Skinner/Pickard. The problem last playoffs was riding Skinner into the dirt when it was clear he was way in over his head.

 

[pekka55]

I like Saros, but I'm not sure he alone can fix the mess that's called Edmonton team defence.

 

[GeauxPreds1]

I mean, folks can waste their time imagining that and concocting meaningless trade proposals if they want. Heck, folks probably do come to you guys with McDavid or Draisatl proposals too, given Edmonton's start and their contract status. So that stuff does happen, and folks are welcome to fill their boots dreaming about it. Just you should expect it to be taken with a certain lack of engagement from the other party. This mythology about building by tanking does drive a lot of traffic here, I suppose. Go ahead and keep the dream alive if you really need to.

It’s funny how you call teams that build by tanking mythology but Tanking teams have won cups way more than teams that haven’t tanked.
Matter of fact in the last 20 years how many team can you name that won the cup that didn’t tank? Not counting Vegas, who got St. Louis.
2023: Vegas Golden Knights
2022: Colorado Avalanche,
2021: Tampa Bay Lightning
2020: Tampa Bay Lightning
2019: St. Louis Blues
2018: Washington Capitals
2017: Pittsburgh Penguins,
2016: Pittsburgh Penguins
2015: Chicago Blackhawks
2014: Los Angeles Kings
2013: Chicago Blackhawks,
2012: Los Angeles Kings
2011: Boston Bruins
2010: Chicago Blackhawks
2009: Pittsburgh Penguins
2008: Detroit Red Wings,
2007: Anaheim Ducks,
2006: Carolina Hurricanes
2005: n/a
2004: Tampa Bay Lightning
I see a lot of tanking teams on this list. Not to mythology as you said.
A tanking team has a lot better chance to win the cup than a team that doesn’t and the proof is in the pudding

 

[vipera1960]

It’s funny how you call teams that build by tanking mythology but Tanking teams have won cups way more than teams that haven’t tanked.
Matter of fact in the last 20 years how many team can you name that won the cup that didn’t tank? Not counting Vegas, who got St. Louis.
2023: Vegas Golden Knights
2022: Colorado Avalanche,
2021: Tampa Bay Lightning
2020: Tampa Bay Lightning
2019: St. Louis Blues
2018: Washington Capitals
2017: Pittsburgh Penguins,
2016: Pittsburgh Penguins
2015: Chicago Blackhawks
2014: Los Angeles Kings
2013: Chicago Blackhawks,
2012: Los Angeles Kings
2011: Boston Bruins
2010: Chicago Blackhawks
2009: Pittsburgh Penguins
2008: Detroit Red Wings,
2007: Anaheim Ducks,
2006: Carolina Hurricanes
2005: n/a
2004: Tampa Bay Lightning
I see a lot of tanking teams on this list. Not to mythology as you said.
A tanking team has a lot better chance to win the cup than a team that doesn’t and the proof is in the pudding

Let’s just be honest here. Everybody wants to win, but it’s not really about winning. It’s about making money. Full Stop.

There are millions of dollars on the line just for making the playoffs (figure 1 home playoff game is conservatively $1.5M, just making the playoffs is worth $3M).

You are right. To truly be competitive for the Stanley Cup a team needs at least one (and often multiple) game-breaking players that can only be acquired in the first 2-3 picks. To do that a team needs to concede 3-5 seasons. That is a really hard ask, especially for teams that are in or close to the playoffs given that it’s not even a guarantee (see Edmonton before McDavid).

Of the teams you listed, I only counted 4 that didn’t undergo a sustained period of …crap prior to their win (Anaheim, Boston, St. Louis, Vegas).

It’s a business and the product is hope.

 

[tinfish]

Watching Oiler fans claim Bouchard is good defensively is pretty comical. It's about as true as saying McDavid is slow.

Literally not a single post in this thread has claimed Bouchard is good defensively. I would argue he is better defensively than Huberdeau is offensively though.

 

[Hobnobs]

Let’s just be honest here. Everybody wants to win, but it’s not really about winning. It’s about making money. Full Stop.

There are millions of dollars on the line just for making the playoffs (figure 1 home playoff game is conservatively $1.5M, just making the playoffs is worth $3M).

You are right. To truly be competitive for the Stanley Cup a team needs at least one (and often multiple) game-breaking players that can only be acquired in the first 2-3 picks. To do that a team needs to concede 3-5 seasons. That is a really hard ask, especially for teams that are in or close to the playoffs given that it’s not even a guarantee (see Edmonton before McDavid).

Of the teams you listed, I only counted 4 that didn’t undergo a sustained period of …crap prior to their win (Anaheim, Boston, St. Louis, Vegas).

It’s a business and the product is hope.

Bruins did it in 06 and 07. Ducks did it from 00 to 02 + 04 (and being granted a high pick by the hockey gods in 05). Blues tanked between 06 and 11.

 

[Double Dion]

Literally not a single post in this thread has claimed Bouchard is good defensively. I would argue he is better defensively than Huberdeau is offensively though.

Um, you might want to read through the thread again. And no. He's not better defensively than Huberdeau is offensively. Bouchard is one of the 3 worst defenders in the league. Huberdeau produces like an average 3rd liner.

 

[Fishy McScales]

I like Saros, but I'm not sure he alone can fix the mess that's called Edmonton team defence.

Kris Knoblauch and Paul Coffey already fixed it so no need.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

EDM even have enough value to pry Saros? can only imagine another team can easily beat their best offer.

 

[TheOrangeDesk]

Holy shit people underate bouchard. Not surprising for this crowd though

 

[Stealth1616]

Um, you might want to read through the thread again. And no. He's not better defensively than Huberdeau is offensively. Bouchard is one of the 3 worst defenders in the league. Huberdeau produces like an average 3rd liner.

What are you basing this on ? Saying this because you want it to be true is not fact.

Post some stats to backup your argument he is a bottom 3 defender in the league.

Right… you can’t

 

[tinfish]

Um, you might want to read through the thread again. And no. He's not better defensively than Huberdeau is offensively. Bouchard is one of the 3 worst defenders in the league. Huberdeau produces like an average 3rd liner.

Please show me a post from this thread of an Oiler fan arguing that Bouchard is good defensively.

 

[Double Dion]

Please show me a post from this thread of an Oiler fan arguing that Bouchard is good defensively.

Supremeteam16 "He's the best transitional defender on the team." Are you really that lazy that you can't read the posts and need to be spoonfed?

What are you basing this on ? Saying this because you want it to be true is not fact.

Post some stats to backup your argument he is a bottom 3 defender in the league.

Right… you can’t

Yawn. Stats. Post stats. Anyone who has watched him play can see it. Most of your own fanbase sees it. If you can't see it then you don't understand the sport very well. If Edmonton could even slightly defend they'd win the cup every year. It's pretty obvious to anyone with even casual attachment to the game what the issue is in Edmonton. It's defense. No player exemplifies it better than Bouchard now that McDavid is actually coming below the top of the circle in his own end.

 

[tinfish]

Supremeteam16 "He's the best transitional defender on the team." Are you really that lazy that you can't read the posts and need to be spoonfed?

That is not an argument that he is good defensively. You seem lack basic reading comprehension.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Holy shit people underate bouchard. Not surprising for this crowd though

And some overrate him.

 

[Draiskull]

Um, you might want to read through the thread again. And no. He's not better defensively than Huberdeau is offensively. Bouchard is one of the 3 worst defenders in the league. Huberdeau produces like an average 3rd liner.

Prove that Bouchard is 3 worst D in league. I bet there are 3 worse than Bouchard alone on Flames.

The kid is playing top pairing mins against top lines and holding his own. Last few games he passes the eye test and probably has great defense related advanced stats ..

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

I would say about 20 teams will make better offer for Saros if he was available.

Yup, and there's probably a good 10 teams that ARE going inquire about this type of trade.

Oilers don't have the assets to make that deal vs what other teams can offer.

 

[Fishy McScales]

And some overrate him.

Dude I think the ratio for that is like 100:1 in favour of the haters.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Dude I think the ratio for that is like 100:1 in favour of the haters.

I’d say it’s about equal. Dude.