Value of: Saros to Edmonton

[Three On Zero]

Probably close to point a game like josi.

The gap between Bouchard and Josi is fairly significant

 

[smytty]

Seems like only some of you remember one major point here - every player on the Oilers sucks and has negative value because they are all obviously products of McDrai!

HFBoards will never change...

 

[Armourboy]

Seems like only some of you remember one major point here - every player on the Oilers sucks and has negative value because they are all obviously products of McDrai!

HFBoards will never change...

Problem is we don't have a need for Bouchard as we have a glut of Dmen that need a chance to play as it is.

He may be a perfectly good player but unless he is going to be a game changer like Josi then it doesn't make sense for Nashville.

Forwards fit the same bill, trading Saros for picks, isn't needed, and doing it for a run of a mill forward doesn't make sense either.

 

[TheBeard]

Problem is we don't have a need for Bouchard as we have a glut of Dmen that need a chance to play as it is.

He may be a perfectly good player but unless he is going to be a game changer like Josi then it doesn't make sense for Nashville.

Forwards fit the same bill, trading Saros for picks, isn't needed, and doing it for a run of a mill forward doesn't make sense either.

Fabbro is the only decent blue liner under the age of 32 and Molendyk is basically all you have in the pipelines.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Fabbro is the only decent blue liner under the age of 32 and Molendyk is basically all you have in the pipelines.

Carrier is comparable to Fabbro, though the coaches actually like him, and Stastney and Del Gaizo are both about NHL ready as #4-6 options. If there is an area we are not worried about Trotz and the Preds as an organization being able to identify and develop, it's on the blueline.

 

[Rock Paper Sissons]

The gap between Bouchard and Josi is fairly significant

Did I say he was as good as josi or could keep up offensively?
Josi is a way more complete and much better defenseman than Bouchard.
I was asked how would he do points wise. Not who’s a better defenseman.
Sure playing with mcDavid and drai helps a lot but how many other oil defensemen are point per game?
Playing with ROR, Forsberg and josi isn’t as good by any means but he’s gonna do well OFFENSIVELY still.
Smh

Problem is we don't have a need for Bouchard as we have a glut of Dmen that need a chance to play as it is.

He may be a perfectly good player but unless he is going to be a game changer like Josi then it doesn't make sense for Nashville.

Forwards fit the same bill, trading Saros for picks, isn't needed, and doing it for a run of a mill forward doesn't make sense either.

We don’t have a single top pair defenseman on this team outside of josi lol

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

We don’t have a single top pair defenseman on this team outside of josi lol

Same number we'd have with this trade.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Jusi isn't going to Edmonton because he's going to refuse a trade there. He cares about his career.

 

[gritdash60]

Saros to Detroit pls

Saros<-> Husso@50%retained, my left kidney, Berggren, 2025 2nd?

 

[TheBeard]

Saros to Detroit pls

Saros<-> Husso@50%retained, my left kidney, Berggren, 2025 2nd?

Your Kidney isn't worth more than a conditional 69th round pick in 2071

 

[Rock Paper Sissons]

Same number we'd have with this trade.

Yeah a point per game defenseman is not a top pair guy. Barely a bottom pair guy. How’s Bouchard even in the nhl he’s so bad?

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Yeah a point per game defenseman is not a top pair guy. Barely a bottom pair guy. How’s Bouchard even in the nhl he’s so bad?

You're looking at a 30 game sample size of a single counting stat playing regularly with 2 of the most productive forwards in the league. Prior 2 full seasons he's a .50 PPG. How about the actual defense part of his job? I wouldn't be playing him over McDonagh.

 

[pld459666]

Bouchard, RNH for Soros and Fabbro

 

[McSuper]

I would ask a team like Edmonton for more than I would other teams just because of the situation they are in if I was the GM of NSH.

likely top of their target list and could be the move that pushes them over the top. I would not only ask for too much but I would ask for one extra decent piece just because of the reasons I posted. I would make sure EDM would think two or maybe three times before accepting.

If GMs thought this way it would come back to bite them in the ass. Sooner or later all team rebuild and as such teams will come calling when when the Oilers hit the selling point and the owner will remember teams that tried to screw them.

 

[Czechboy]

I'll address the 30 game sample size as this is some myth that doesn't seem to want to go away.

51 points in 52 games since March 1st in regular season to today (Barrie traded on February 28th)
17 points in 12 games in last Spring's playoffs

So 64 points in 58 games since Barrie was traded and I don't see him slowing down at all. His minutes per game also went up significantly.

He was also a key offensive Dman in the CHL (Dman of the year), Team Canada, Sweden (weird covid year) and AHL.. all of that without McDrai but I keep reading how they are carrying him. Who carried him in all those other leagues and made him a first rounder?

Which may also be considered a small sample size? How many games is fair? If he ends up with 80 points in 82 games this season, is that enough?

Not one Oiler fan is saying he's winning the Norris or is elite defensively. Not one. Not one is saying he's the greatest player in the NHL. Not one is saying he was the best player in his draft. However, when we point out that he is an elite offensive Dman... people get real defensive and those are just very simple stats....

Here is the regular season Dman since Barrie was traded... 9 month sample size and growing. For offence, he is keeping great company and most the guys on this list have some real good PP's and forwards to play with too. Karlsson being the only one that didn't have a great group of forwards to play with last year.

 

[McSuper]

Crazy how people don’t have any clue what trade values goalies carry. Edmonton isn’t paying that for a goalie with 1 year left on his deal but yeah, please tell me how 30 teams would offer more

It isn't about what team would pay. Nashville doesn't want to trade him so you have to make an offer that changes their mind. Edmonton isn't trading Draisaitl but if a team made an high enough offer he would be gone.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

If GMs thought this way it would come back to bite them in the ass. Sooner or later all team rebuild and as such teams will come calling when when the Oilers hit the selling point and the owner will remember teams that tried to screw them.

all GMs look to screw each other over, they may try to make it look like they are throwing a helping hand but really they wanna throw you an anchor.

 

[Armourboy]

Yeah a point per game defenseman is not a top pair guy. Barely a bottom pair guy. How’s Bouchard even in the nhl he’s so bad?

You keep talking about points like it's the only thing that matters for a Dman. Despite all those points he's also a -4. I'd rather have Ekholm back.

 

[Three On Zero]

You keep talking about points like it's the only thing that matters for a Dman. Despite all those points he's also a -4. I'd rather have Ekholm back.

Bouchard is going to top out as a Tyson Barrie clone, he will get some points but he will also be the main culprit in letting just as many go in

 

[Faceboner]

2 1sts broberg, lavoie,bourgualt and a 2nd

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

This thread continues to be pointless. Saros simply isn't available. There is nothing any fans of Edmonton or any other teams can do about that with proposals here. He's not getting traded, period. Save your offers and your bickering about player values, none of it means anything.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

This thread continues to be pointless. Saros simply isn't available. There is nothing any fans of Edmonton or any other teams can do about that with proposals here. He's not getting traded, period. Save your offers and your bickering about player values, none of it means anything.

They’d be stupid not to explore the possibility, especially considering the current potential in the buyers market and the fact this asset is at near peak value given his impact vs cap hit.

When you trade guys like Ekholm and run 8M under the cap with a ton of dead cap space over the next few seasons, those kind of actions lend themselves to being less competitive which likely means they want to re-tool. If you’re gonna go down that road then you have to commit to it and be realistic about where your team is at. This isn’t a team that’s a playoff lock each year and is going on a deep run any time soon. Keeping Saros likely keeps the Preds in the same barely making or missing the playoffs range and keeps them out of the part of the draft where you tend to find the type of elite talent they’ve often been missing.

Maybe the offers don’t get Trotz excited enough to make a deal but it would be stupid not to see what’s out there.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

They’d be stupid not to explore the possibility, especially considering the current potential in the buyers market and the fact this asset is at near peak value given his impact vs cap hit.

When you trade guys like Ekholm and run 8M under the cap with a ton of dead cap space over the next few seasons, those kind of actions lend themselves to being less competitive which likely means they want to re-tool. If you’re gonna go down that road then you have to commit to it and be realistic about where your team is at. This isn’t a team that’s a playoff lock each year and is going on a deep run any time soon. Keeping Saros likely keeps the Preds in the same barely making or missing the playoffs range and keeps them out of the part of the draft where you tend to find the type of elite talent they’ve often been missing.

Maybe the offers don’t get Trotz excited enough to make a deal but it would be stupid not to see what’s out there.

I mean, folks can waste their time imagining that and concocting meaningless trade proposals if they want. Heck, folks probably do come to you guys with McDavid or Draisatl proposals too, given Edmonton's start and their contract status. So that stuff does happen, and folks are welcome to fill their boots dreaming about it. Just you should expect it to be taken with a certain lack of engagement from the other party. This mythology about building by tanking does drive a lot of traffic here, I suppose. Go ahead and keep the dream alive if you really need to.

 

[Byrddog]

They’d be stupid not to explore the possibility, especially considering the current potential in the buyers market and the fact this asset is at near peak value given his impact vs cap hit.

When you trade guys like Ekholm and run 8M under the cap with a ton of dead cap space over the next few seasons, those kind of actions lend themselves to being less competitive which likely means they want to re-tool. If you’re gonna go down that road then you have to commit to it and be realistic about where your team is at. This isn’t a team that’s a playoff lock each year and is going on a deep run any time soon. Keeping Saros likely keeps the Preds in the same barely making or missing the playoffs range and keeps them out of the part of the draft where you tend to find the type of elite talent they’ve often been missing.

Maybe the offers don’t get Trotz excited enough to make a deal but it would be stupid not to see what’s out there.

This is the exact situation but most just will not except it. There will be one or two of the young guys on the roster that will make it. Trotz has a boat load of picks but those will not be ready until Saros has aged out. The smart thing would be to get some quality in the age group Trotz will be building too. Now is it too early to put all those eggs in Askarov basket probably so but that does not stop Saros from getting older, it also lessens his value playing on a struggling team. There are also those here that say Saros would never be traded well the same was said about Weber it has been said about a boatload of players better than Saros. The reply will be but those guys were not goalies well Roy , Hansel, Louongo were all goalies that were traded. The bottom line is what deal makes sense. Nothing really I can see from the Oil would make sense even Drisital would be aging out by the time the Preds are built to contend again. Now could there be players that could put them back to wildcard just get in and thumped out in the first round sure there are. I think Trotz vision is more than that and that should be the fans objective as well or the team could be in the league 50 years before winning a cup. And this is not from the prospective of tank tank tank like many teams have done. Honestly I was suprised that ownership has allowed the Eckholm tans Johansen trade and Duchene buyout but there has to be a understanding that it will result in a cup contender. Trotz has a cap something Poile never achieved. The team has played above expectations at times even this year but we’re fooling ourselves if any of us think the team could make any noise in the playoffs even with Saros.

 

[banks]

Nylander for Saros.