Value of: Saros to Edmonton

[SupremeTeam16]

The Bouchard disrespect in here is wild.

Anyways as for Saros I think he's only made available if Nashville falls off and out of the playoff race and Nashville decides to rebuild.

Edmonton can't include an important roster player in a trade like this because it wouldn't make sense from their perspective. The best they could offer up from a roster perspective would be Skinner, but that won't work money wise.

The only deal I see that makes sense from an Edmonton perspective, and I'm not saying Nashville does it, but it would need to be Campbell + Broberg + 2 1sts, and maybe another piece.

Nashville seems to be in cost cutting mode when it comes to salaries so adding dead weight like Campbell with a 5M cap hit for years likely is a non starter. If Saros was available the Oilers are likely having to shed salary in the form of some combination of guys like Foegele, Kulak, Skinner, Ceci either as part of the deal or in separate deals.

 

[McFlyingV]

Nashville seems to be in cost cutting mode when it comes to salaries so adding dead weight like Campbell with a 5M cap hit for years likely is a non starter. If Saros was available the Oilers are likely having to shed salary in the form of some combination of guys like Foegele, Kulak, Skinner, Ceci either as part of the deal or in separate deals.

Campbell's actual dollar amount tapers off on the back 1/2 of his contract. He's already received his 2 bonuses and his dollar amount is 5.4M next year, 4.2M the following, and 3.9M the year after despite the 5M cap hit.

 

[Double Dion]

Uhhh most analytical models have him as a top 3 dman in the league this year.... If you go to puckiq hes playing top pair competition. Now I see why you don't like him, you have no idea what you're talking about

Uh, we were talking about his defensive play. Everyone knows who and what Bouchard is. He's a more extreme version of Dennis Wideman. Poor skater, great offensive instincts, poor defender.

 

[Draiskull]

Uh, we were talking about his defensive play. Everyone knows who and what Bouchard is. He's a more extreme version of Dennis Wideman. Poor skater, great offensive instincts, poor defender.

You may want to review post #154 then and maybe edit out some parts.

 

[McFlyingV]

Uh, we were talking about his defensive play. Everyone knows who and what Bouchard is. He's a more extreme version of Dennis Wideman. Poor skater, great offensive instincts, poor defender.

Poor skater is such a "HF hive mind" take. You would think this skates like Patrick Maroon the way HF talks about him, but yet he's routinely able to burst up the ice and walk guys at the blue line. Heard a lot of the same skating opinions on Adam Fox on here before he broke out as a Norris level D. And before someone straw man's me because 95% of HF posters have reading comprehension issues. No that comment about Fox does not have anything to do with Bouchard, and no I am not calling him a Norris level D.

 

[TheOrangeDesk]

Uh, we were talking about his defensive play. Everyone knows who and what Bouchard is. He's a more extreme version of Dennis Wideman. Poor skater, great offensive instincts, poor defender.

I just showed you that what you said is factually wrong

 

[Gabe Kupari]

I’m a jets fan and I’d put saros value close to what I’d assume hellebuycks. He’s a jet long term tho but part of that is probably cuz nobody was willing to give up what our gm wanted if he was even shopped around.

Helle is the jets mvp. He’s the man. Very valuable to the Jets just like saros is valuable to the preds. Good goalies = quick retool and not long rebuild. Think overpayment just for Nashville to accept

 

[Seanaconda]

Boo

Are your sides saros .... from all the laughing !

 

[Davo Ikinzom]

Oh no, I guess we'll just keep our PPG defenseman. What a shame.

 

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[Czechboy]

I get it..skewerd stats.. stupid cards... Nerd shit. Fine. Can someone please post the stats that show he sucks? Especially in the last.month?

 

[McVespa99]

He can't play defense and is a liability 5 on 5 .Bouchard is a pp specialist period.

Go check the analytics. Fenwick, Corsie, whatever you like. PP, 5 on 5. You are dead wrong. He has turned into a solid dman. Both ways. Not saying he is Rod Langway but he is good in his own end and Elite with the puck. The whole team was bad the first 10 or 15 games but now he is very good just like the team

 

[McFlyingV]

I'll be the first to admit Bouchard had some head scratching defensive moments even in the first half of last year, but I haven't seen that from him in a while and certainly not since Ekholm has been his partner. His defensive game is still only average, but his offensive game and transition game are among the best in the NHL. When a player has that with acceptable level defending they are an elite Dman and its being reflected in all underlying metrics as well as the eye test (not that mainboard posters actually watch the players from other teams that they talk about with such conviction).

 

[Armourboy]

Like I said earlier I'd like to see how he looks once you take Ekholm away from him long term. I'm not saying he's good or bad, but I know how Ekholm can cover for guys and make them look way better than they actually are.

I can't think of too many years where Ekholm's pairing looked bad, and thats often because of him, not because of who he is playing with.

 

[TheOrangeDesk]

What's hilarious about people comparing Bouchard to fabro is ekholm played with fabro last year and their results were nowhere close to the dominance of Bouchard -ekholm.

 

[triggrman]

What's hilarious about people comparing Bouchard to fabro is ekholm played with fabro last year and their results were nowhere close to the dominance of Bouchard -ekholm.

Fabbro's 3 most common partners last season were, 316 minutes with Lauzon, 287 minutes with Josi, and 266 minutes with McDonagh.

He did play 151 minutes with Ekholm, were they gave up a total of 3 goals, or 1.19 goals against per 60. Compared to the 2.57 goals against per 60 that Ekholm and Bouchard are giving up this year.

See how stats work, I can make an argument the other way too by using fancy stats but these are just straight raw goals against numbers.


Here are the top 4 defensive pairings for goals against per 60 the Preds had last year, you tell me the most common denominator

 

[TFHockey]

I was on the trade Bouchard bandwagon earlier in the season. I hated the game he was playing. I have to admit though, he has really turned his season around. He has been lights out good.

People who bash Bouchard really aren't paying attention to the game he has been playing since the coaching change. He's been really, really good.

I think at this point the Oilers can't move Bouchard. They are rolling and can probably acquire a halfway decent goaltender for far less than the Eric Lindros-like proposals in this thread.

 

[bucks_oil]

Keep Broberg, Lavoie and Bourgault and throw another 1st in. These 3 might hardly sniff the NHL in the future.

I agree Preds would probably prefer the picks, and I'm a HUGE Saros fan, even made a proposal for him on the Oilers board....

but there is zero chance that Preds are going to land THREE 1sts and a 2nd for a goalie with 1.5 seasons to UFA status.

 

[bucks_oil]

I was on the trade Bouchard bandwagon earlier. Not because I don't believe in him as a player, but because 1) he is pretty clueless defensively and we don't have time to wait, 2) at the time his offense was not enough to cover for it, and 3) our goaltending was horrendous.

Nearly all of that has changed. I've said it before, will say it again, Bouchard's offensive skills are so strong (and his skating so average) that it stands to reason a lot of that offense comes from an elite hockey microprocessor. We've seen it time and time again that these intelligent offensive players eventually figure out the reciprocal and begin to read defensive plays better. But Edmonton must win now.

Having said that, I have Saros as a top-5 goalie in the league (and I personally like his style, very Price-esque in the sense that he's so technically sound and not just relying on size and positioning)... so yeah... for Saros, Bouchard is available, but honestly... Bouchard is not available for too many.

I had proposed this on the Oilers board and it didn't go over well:

To Nashville: Bouchard, McLeod, Holloway, 1st
To Edmonton: Saros 20% retained, Barrie 50% retained

Rationale: Barrie has neutral to negative value but replaces 70% of the offense lost in Bouchard, McLeod is maybe worth a 2nd, Holloway still worth a late 1st, 1st is still a 1st... so it's essentially Bouchard + 2 1sts + 2nd for Saros and retention.

How much more do we need to add?

 

[Seachd]

a guy with that last name in Oil Country?
Sure that sounds like a great idea, like the great goaltending reset if you will lol

A joke about politics that completely whiffs on understanding the political climate in Edmonton.

Interesting decision.

 

[Bobby9]

Have to consider the consequences of NOT getting a goalie while McDrai are signed in Edm.

Edm has to consider that and may need to over pay to get a goalie. It's more than just the trade thats at stake. Its what it tells McDrai about the teams commitment to win.

Shitty place to be for a Oilers GM tbh

 

[McJedi]

I'm anything but an Oilers fan, but Bouchard is really underrated at this website. His analytics are much stronger than people seem to realize. He's a pretty dang good hockey player. He'll score a huge contract extension in two years once Drai has left for greener pastures.