Sarnia Sting 2023-24 Off-Season Thread

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Well here we are with much larger problems then we anticipated. How F***king hard is it to be a fan of this organization eh? Holy hell....it is complete and utter torture.

I expected the youth and the tough season. I did not expect our coaches to ignore and neglect the youth to the extent they have with playing favorites with the vets.


Get Letang and the rest of those duds off the bench ASAP.

Another thought to think about.
Good teams play their Top PPG guys the
most then goes down from there
Eg
Barkey
Cowan
Halttinen

Who do we have
15 yes, he is top ppg on team
Then who? A 3rd line guy?
15-.89 ppg
12-.80ppg
23-.65ppg
11-.60 ppg
25-.59 ppg

Just super confused why 23 and 12 and 15 aren't out there all the time?

Then can use 11 25 and 18 on second.

Then 9 21 24

10 93 92 55 leuke APs etc
Play the analytics Letang, give yourself a chance to be competitive.
Sure this league is about 20 year olds being best dont think that's the case with 9 or 20 on our team role guys 3rd line checkers.
 
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At what point do the kids push back and pack it in? imo I think we saw some push back from the young guys last night... These kids all talk to each other and I guarantee you they don't have the best things to say about Sarnia right now.

How about a player like 44 who would rather play Jr A
Wasn't given fair minutes.

Same with Leuke, I'm sure he is kicking himself just like 93 can't go US development
Making it hard for future in us getting US players to come play for Letang
 
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How about a player like 44 who would rather play Jr A
Wasn't given fair minutes.

Same with Leuke, I'm sure he is kicking himself just like 93 can't go US development
Making it hard for future in us getting US players to come play for Letang
lol I don't know ... but the Hunters love him like a son so thats all that matters.
 
I agree with a lot of the sentiments & points, especially over playing of vets but I'm not there yet to call Letang this horrid coach who needs to go

We are coming off our best season ever. He got a team of all stars to play a very good structured game & be incredibly disciplined. I think it's completely unfair to give Staubitz all the credit & none to Letang for how much development we saw from Romeo, Mast, Ritchie, Dillingham & even Kyrou in just 3 months. I know from speaking to one of those players they loved Letang & were very complimentary of him.

They have Brown & Kostuch on line 1 LW & line 2 LW. Brown on PP2. It's just that in certain moments he totally relies on Way/Sikic/Filak/Doucette to much. And that needs to change. I do disagree on Wainwright to wing for the sole reason he's our only C who'd be around for a few years. If he becomes a winger we have absolutely nothing at C. But I see the reasoning.

He's a junior coach for a reason right. Outside Hunter & maybe 1-2 others what coach in the OHL is awesome in every way (deployment, adjustments, special teams etc). We know that because as sad as it is he's still a better HC than what we had the previous what 10-15 years?

The roster is terrible as expected. We have arguably the least amount of F talent in the league. He had an assistant quit in the summer unexpectedly then had the replacement quit a month in unexpectedly. That's tough. And he had to leave for a month to go to Sweden. Hopefully get a real D coach in the summer and no distractions. If it's the same issues and red flags next yr then I'll be on board of wanting him gone
 
Well here we are with much larger problems then we anticipated. How F***king hard is it to be a fan of this organization eh? Holy hell....it is complete and utter torture.

I expected the youth and the tough season. I did not expect our coaches to ignore and neglect the youth to the extent they have with playing favorites with the vets.

Get Letang and the rest of those duds off the bench ASAP.
Honestly If I had a time machine the first thing I would do is go back and convince Dale Hunter to buy The Sting.
 
I feel for you Sarnia fans… just remember it’s always darkest before dawn.

I read an article on Bill Belichicks potential retirement. There is always and end to an era but his dynasty extended to developing a number of exceptional coaches and executives around the league.

I believe there are opportunities for a club like Sarnia to mimic and feed off of what Mark and Dale started. The league is more professional than it has ever been. That rising tide lifts all ships.


Godspeed.
 
I feel for you Sarnia fans… just remember it’s always darkest before dawn.

I read an article on Bill Belichicks potential retirement. There is always and end to an era but his dynasty extended to developing a number of exceptional coaches and executives around the league.

I believe there are opportunities for a club like Sarnia to mimic and feed off of what Mark and Dale started. The league is more professional than it has ever been. That rising tide lifts all ships.


Godspeed.
I happen to be a Patriots fan! I've come to the conclusion I didn't appreciate there greatness enough cause they were as exciting as the Sting this year! Lmao.

I used to really hate LDN & the Hunters but I've come to really respect certain things about them. Love the way they build there teams especially. Very jealous. Best of luck the rest of the way.
 
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I've never called for Letang on chopping block feel he has value if he changes but I am super concerned the Lack of D coaching and the way letang values his 20 year olds. Just not feeding their strengths and I worry that will happen all down the line wont recognize players strengths and use them.
Did Staubitz leave cause of inside worries about Letang maybe they but heads? Is that why Sullivan Left same concerns or essentially Letangs arrogance for input? We will never know, might be hard guy with his arrogance to change or get through to from that side. Coaches have now aren't super experienced they might not see an issue.
Too much potential to waste the rest of this year to parking guys that need the most time in key roles to play, fail or succeed they need those experiences.
What if Kukumberg with all his limited roles and icetime decides not to come back stay in europe?
 
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I've never called for Letang on chopping block feel he has value if he changes but I am super concerned the Lack of D coaching and the way letang values his 20 year olds. Just not feeding their strengths and I worry that will happen all down the line wont recognize players strengths and use them.
Did Staubitz leave cause of inside worries about Letang maybe they but heads? Is that why Sullivan Left same concerns or essentially Letangs arrogance for input? We will never know, might be hard guy with his arrogance to change or get through to from that side. Coaches have now aren't super experienced they might not see an issue.
Too much potential to waste the rest of this year to parking guys that need the most time in key roles to play, fail or succeed they need those experiences.
What if Kukumberg with all his limited roles and icetime decides not to come back stay in europe?
Staubitz left for family reasons. Wanted to be back home with family. Sullivan no idea. Unfortunately they have there sights set on getting 8th. But once that looks unlikely hopefully they give all the ice/opportunities to the U18s.

Do think them wanting to get Bridgewater 8 games & Maillet starts leans to what we want too. But who knows when that'll be
 
I feel for you Sarnia fans… just remember it’s always darkest before dawn.

I read an article on Bill Belichicks potential retirement. There is always and end to an era but his dynasty extended to developing a number of exceptional coaches and executives around the league.

I believe there are opportunities for a club like Sarnia to mimic and feed off of what Mark and Dale started. The league is more professional than it has ever been. That rising tide lifts all ships.


Godspeed.
lets hope the next knights coach is the equivalent to Matt Patricia then.
 
I agree with a lot of the sentiments & points, especially over playing of vets but I'm not there yet to call Letang this horrid coach who needs to go

We are coming off our best season ever. He got a team of all stars to play a very good structured game & be incredibly disciplined. I think it's completely unfair to give Staubitz all the credit & none to Letang for how much development we saw from Romeo, Mast, Ritchie, Dillingham & even Kyrou in just 3 months. I know from speaking to one of those players they loved Letang & were very complimentary of him.

They have Brown & Kostuch on line 1 LW & line 2 LW. Brown on PP2. It's just that in certain moments he totally relies on Way/Sikic/Filak/Doucette to much. And that needs to change. I do disagree on Wainwright to wing for the sole reason he's our only C who'd be around for a few years. If he becomes a winger we have absolutely nothing at C. But I see the reasoning.

He's a junior coach for a reason right. Outside Hunter & maybe 1-2 others what coach in the OHL is awesome in every way (deployment, adjustments, special teams etc). We know that because as sad as it is he's still a better HC than what we had the previous what 10-15 years?

The roster is terrible as expected. We have arguably the least amount of F talent in the league. He had an assistant quit in the summer unexpectedly then had the replacement quit a month in unexpectedly. That's tough. And he had to leave for a month to go to Sweden. Hopefully get a real D coach in the summer and no distractions. If it's the same issues and red flags next yr then I'll be on board of wanting him gone

I disagree about last years team that team wasnt well coached against london Hunter changed his game plan for a less talented team to play. We all saw what happened Letangs arrogance and unwillingness to coach(which means now adjust to hunters coaching change) and he wasnt willing to do that as he thought his style was going to win.
Guess what happened London beat a much deeper and talented team.
Lesson learned by letang? No forward to World Jrs wasnr ablebto adjust and use players that give team beat chance to succeed played vets yet again
Forward to this year I see his failure to acknowledge the same style and unsuccessful coaching all over again like ground hog day.
Play the players that give team best chance to win every game. Change style to best play opposing teams cant just run same thing all year and expect different result just like last year.
I like Letang but it's time he shows he can coach rather than just post game talk about it and blame older guys for not bringing it. Or young guys for not bringing it, how about Letang admit team wasnr properly prepared for game.
And PP isnt effective with combinations he has together it's a process rather than set team up for failure.
That's my take on letang again I think he is good coach he is just an arrogant my way is best coach and that doesnt work with a young team with average 19 year olds and some of the weakest 20 year olds
 
I agree with a lot of the sentiments & points, especially over playing of vets but I'm not there yet to call Letang this horrid coach who needs to go

We are coming off our best season ever. He got a team of all stars to play a very good structured game & be incredibly disciplined. I think it's completely unfair to give Staubitz all the credit & none to Letang for how much development we saw from Romeo, Mast, Ritchie, Dillingham & even Kyrou in just 3 months. I know from speaking to one of those players they loved Letang & were very complimentary of him.

They have Brown & Kostuch on line 1 LW & line 2 LW. Brown on PP2. It's just that in certain moments he totally relies on Way/Sikic/Filak/Doucette to much. And that needs to change. I do disagree on Wainwright to wing for the sole reason he's our only C who'd be around for a few years. If he becomes a winger we have absolutely nothing at C. But I see the reasoning.

He's a junior coach for a reason right. Outside Hunter & maybe 1-2 others what coach in the OHL is awesome in every way (deployment, adjustments, special teams etc). We know that because as sad as it is he's still a better HC than what we had the previous what 10-15 years?

The roster is terrible as expected. We have arguably the least amount of F talent in the league. He had an assistant quit in the summer unexpectedly then had the replacement quit a month in unexpectedly. That's tough. And he had to leave for a month to go to Sweden. Hopefully get a real D coach in the summer and no distractions. If it's the same issues and red flags next yr then I'll be on board of wanting him gone

I disagree about last years team That team wasn't well coached against london Hunter changed his game plan for a less talented team to play us We all saw what happened Letang's arrogance and unwillingness to coach (which means adjust to hunters coaching style and change) and he wasnt willing to do that as he thought his style so above and was going to win.
Guess what happened London beat a much deeper and talented team.
Lesson learned by letang? No, forward to World Jrs wasn't able to adjust and use players that give team best chance to succeed played vets yet again even though the 18 year old got team back in game in the second.
Forward to this year, I see his failure to acknowledge the same style weaknesses and unsuccessful coaching, all over again like ground hog day.
Play the players that give team best chance to win every game. Change style find matchups to best play opposing teams he can't just run same thing all year and expect different result just like last year teams play differently.
I like Letang alot but it's time he shows he can coach rather than just post game talk about it and blame older guys for not bringing it, Or young guys for not bringing it, how about Letang admit team wasn't properly prepared for game and style didnt work.
PP isn't effective with combinations he has together either both units let's put 1 together. I get it, it's a process but let me tell you when I see same thing over and over shows me even more his arrogance to change and rather its players that arenr getting it done. Let's get a pp specialist coach in here with a proper experienced D coach and let's set this group up for huge success in next few years time is now rather than set team up for failure.
That's my take on Letang and staff, again I think he is good coach he is just an arrogant coach(to a fault) and those coaches do not get to next level as players won't play for him. I feel bad because he is a great talker to media and seems to know what to say. Very good at this, all I ask is he coach and play teams in front of him, play players that give us best chance to succeed game after game especially with a young team with average 19 year olds and some of the weakest 20 year olds in league play them accordingly.
Boys are actually very skilled just very inexperienced in game time experience in key situations. Let go Dylan step in and help things get better with guys at control.
 
I feel bad because he is a great talker to media and seems to know what to say. Very good at this, all I ask is he coach and play teams in front of him, play players that give us best chance to succeed game after game especially with a young team with average 19 year olds and some of the weakest 20 year olds in league play them accordingly.

Sounds like he's more fit to be a politician then he is a hockey coach.
 
Do you know when this list was made? Im a bit surprised Chartier isn't higher on the list.
There are only 5 OHL goalies on the list. George (1) and Leenders (3) are at the top where they belong. Miller (17) is a few spots above Chartier (23). Bowen (30) rounds out the list.

Where did you expect to see Chartier?
 
The more I think about next season the more I am concerned it may end up looking pretty similar to the end of this season. Looking at the western conference, who is really going to be taking steps back for sarnia to step up?

Soo Saginaw Kitchener may all look worse than this year but still will have some strong players (Kitchener prob taking a bigger step back than the other 2 IMO). London will be entering their prime (even if they lose someone like bonk or cowan but i doubt they do) , OS loses some key OAs but still has strong players, Erie i am wishy-washy on but i dont see how they'd be worse than us, Guelph is should have some strong-ish OAs.


It feels like it will be us Windsor (and i could see them taking a step forward next year moreso than us) Flint battling for the 8th again lol.

Feels like we are banking on continued development of some of the key guys like Brown, Barr, Kostuch, Fischer etc , a strong 1st round pick next year, and possibly even a homerun import (to me Kukumberg is a wildcard whether he sticks around honestly) and all these stars need to align to 'compete' next year. idk maybe im being too negative lol
 
I see that no one is panicking at all after one bad loss to London. LOL. Letang has his flaws but let's remember this is a rebuilding team. Take a look at the standings prediction thread, this team was expected to finish dead last and right now they're competing for a playoff spot. A reminder that it could always be much worse just look at the previous list of head coaches we've had. It ain't pretty!
 
The more I think about next season the more I am concerned it may end up looking pretty similar to the end of this season. Looking at the western conference, who is really going to be taking steps back for sarnia to step up?

Soo Saginaw Kitchener may all look worse than this year but still will have some strong players (Kitchener prob taking a bigger step back than the other 2 IMO). London will be entering their prime (even if they lose someone like bonk or cowan but i doubt they do) , OS loses some key OAs but still has strong players, Erie i am wishy-washy on but i dont see how they'd be worse than us, Guelph is should have some strong-ish OAs.


It feels like it will be us Windsor (and i could see them taking a step forward next year moreso than us) Flint battling for the 8th again lol.

Feels like we are banking on continued development of some of the key guys like Brown, Barr, Kostuch, Fischer etc , a strong 1st round pick next year, and possibly even a homerun import (to me Kukumberg is a wildcard whether he sticks around honestly) and all these stars need to align to 'compete' next year. idk maybe im being too negative lol
Think we all knew they potentially were in for 2 bad seasons back 2 back. There's a chance they are even younger than they are now. But frankly their vets haven't given them a ton this yr. So can they improve from simply development from all their young guys + some additions (OHL draft, import draft)? Id say they could. But that's totally TBD on how well and how much the U18s develop.

As for the rest of the conference who knows. Everyone thought Windsor would be top 7. They've been a disaster. Ppl thought (myself included) OS would be a wagon. They r closer to out of the playoffs than the team in front of them. Ppl expected KIT to suck. They have been the best team. Certainly expect us to be mediocre at best but maybe a couple teams stumble, maybe a couple sell off hard & then coming 6th-7th isn't crazy. But maybe we don't get as much development as you'd hope and we do suck as bad as this again & wouldn't that just be brilliant eh? Lol
 
I see that no one is panicking at all after one bad loss to London. LOL. Letang has his flaws but let's remember this is a rebuilding team. Take a look at the standings prediction thread, this team was expected to finish dead last and right now they're competing for a playoff spot. A reminder that it could always be much worse just look at the previous list of head coaches we've had. It ain't pretty!
I was on the Letang pile on 2 days ago because of the 5on3 alignment & goalie switch idea, but no team has probably played rookies more than us. Barr & Hurt play a ton for 16 yr olds. Barr runs the PP. Brown plays T6 & PP. Kostuch played T6 first 2 games. Theyve given Lominac a ton of chances in the top 6. He's struggled to take those & run with them. Doherty the same. Sim not as much but I don't mind sheltering him.

Think we've gone a bit overboard. He likes his vets. Most coaches do. Definitely wish he wasn't as vet heavy but it's not like the kids don't play. We'd have a serious issue if they got 8 minutes a night & got sat some nights. He's said it a ton that he doesn't wanna overwhelm them or run them down. Which is fair & reasonable it's just at certain points I think u gotta lean on them because the vets on this team aren't top tier guys
 
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