Sarnia Sting 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 2)

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Only three things I have to say on all that's transpired.
1) The steelhead are going to be insanely good in a few years.
2) Make it out of the west or big bust for the sting
3) Gaudreau better be above average to great
Can’t argue any of that

They don't have a great crop of returning 03's for next season so I don't believe they look at next year as a go for it year, likely the year after so I do think they'd be open to finding another younger player or two to jump into the line up. I believe they're open for business.

Ideally I think they'd like to get back a 2nd and 3rd to start but Guelph is pretty set up for high picks so they could just ask for bodies and be fine with it.
We have extra guys on defence. Maybe 2x4th’s and Owen Macdonald, not sure if that would be enough. Also not sure if the sting would entertain getting rid of wainwright he’s a good 05 player but he’s definitely a good depth guy for sarnia that can play on 3rd or 4th line. Sting have Carson campbell who is an 06 defenceman not sure they would want to trade him either.
 
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Credit to Seca for going for it and have the guts to make the big moves. Martone looks like he will be one of the best in the OHL in two years. He made some big (risky) moves. With that said the city of Sarnia deserves a run.

next few years will be lean in Sarnia.
 

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Only three things I have to say on all that's transpired.
1) The steelhead are going to be insanely good in a few years.
2) Make it out of the west or big bust for the sting
3) Gaudreau better be above average to great
MISS is gonna have one helluva team in 2 years. Gonna be a feisty one, too with Angus, Porter & Van Volsen as their leaders.

Absolutely it's OHL finals or bust now. While getting to round 3 would be awesome for this org, 5-6-7 extra games would not be worth Martone & MacDonell. I believe this team can do it, but like you said in point 3, Gaudreau HAS to step up. Has too or all this is for not.

If Sarnia was a well run, consistent organization I would've been on your side this season. I just have so little faith they can build good teams that when they have one they gotta go for it.
 
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I know everybody around the league looks at us like "wow they're good (on paper), but man are they gonna suck for years now!".. but we were always going too. The only way we weren't going to be an average to below average team next season was if they sold off Voit, Mast, Burke, Ritchie which was never gonna happen.

Our top-6 next season before the trades was gonna be something like
MacDonell-Sikic-Vilmanis
Filak-Namestnikov-Martone

On D
Romeo-Daviault
Fischer-Hoover
Young-MacDonald/Campbell

That would've been average at best. The following year (24-25) might've been a bit better but who's our starting goalie? If Fischer doesn't become a stud our D would be mediocre & up front Martone would be a star, but who else could you confidently see being a point per game, 25-35 goal guy?

Now you could say that's on Seca & Co 100%. They had a garbage covid draft class (hard to be mad at them for that to be fair was a crapshoot) & Sinclair's final draft was brutal. Namestnikov he took way to high & took 4 no-shows in their first 7 picks. Thank god for Filak in RD9 or that would've been a full fledged disaster of a draft.

They would've just wasted MacDonell's best years & 3 of Martone's 4 years (wouldn't shock me if he goes pro early). Thats why for me while it hurts to see them go I am happy with it. Instead of maybe being good enough to win a round or two, they're good enough to win it all. And instead of sucking the next 2 years they're gonna really suck. I can live with that.

Now if they choke again this season I'm probably done don't get me wrong. I'm just saying I can live with their decision & I agree with it.
 
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I know everybody around the league looks at us like "wow they're good (on paper), but man are they gonna suck for years now!".. but we were always going too. The only way we weren't going to be an average to below average team next season was if they sold off Voit, Mast, Burke, Ritchie which was never gonna happen.

Our top-6 next season before the trades was gonna be something like
MacDonell-Sikic-Vilmanis
Filak-Namestnikov-Martone

On D
Romeo-Daviault
Fischer-Hoover
Young-MacDonald/Campbell

That would've been average at best. The following year (24-25) might've been a bit better but who's our starting goalie? If Fischer doesn't become a stud our D would be mediocre & up front Martone would be a star, but who else could you confidently see being a point per game, 25-35 goal guy?

Now you could say that's on Seca & Co 100%. They had a garbage covid draft class (hard to be mad at them for that to be fair was a crapshoot) & Sinclair's final draft was brutal. Namestnikov he took way to high & took 4 no-shows in their first 7 picks. Thank god for Filak in RD9 or that would've been a full fledged disaster of a draft.

They would've just wasted MacDonell's best years & 3 of Martone's 4 years (wouldn't shock me if he goes pro early). Thats why for me while it hurts to see them go I am happy with it. Instead of maybe being good enough to win a round or two, they're good enough to win it all. And instead of sucking the next 2 years they're gonna really suck. I can live with that.

Now if they choke again this season I'm probably done don't get me wrong. I'm just saying I can live with their decision & I agree with it.
I agree, they look really great on paper but playoffs are measured in skill and heart. Do they have enough heart or did they just traded it away? ...and man oh man they traded away a ton of heart and I don't see much of it on the current roster...esp on forward unit but stay tuned as it will be a fun ride.
Now it has to be noted that Sarnia have basically no picks for next couple of years and about 11 D sitting in the room shooting darts at each other. D need to be moved by Monday in order to have any hope for future years.
Also, Mississauga will be an awesome combo of skill and grit in a year or two. Wow.
 

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I agree, they look really great on paper but playoffs are measured in skill and heart. Do they have enough heart or did they just traded it away? ...and man oh man they traded away a ton of heart and I don't see much of it on the current roster...esp on forward unit but stay tuned as it will be a fun ride.
Now it has to be noted that Sarnia have basically no picks for next couple of years and about 11 D sitting in the room shooting darts at each other. D need to be moved by Monday in order to have any hope for future years.
Also, Mississauga will be an awesome combo of skill and grit in a year or two. Wow.
I agree & disagree. I would like another power forward who does all the gritty work & can be physical 100%. But I don't think the physical play bothers Vilmanis, Sikic, Filak, Lantz, Burke, Way too much, but outside of Filak those other guys won't go searching for it. While Pastujov doesn't give it back I've loved his board play & strength on the puck. On D they love it with Dillingham, Romeo, Hoover all being tougher guys. I know Del Mastro can be a mean son of a gun so that'll help. Ritchie doesn't get bothered by it & I've liked how Kyrou has handled it. He seems to be fine to take a hit to make a play.

Do think it can get to Voit, Wainwright, Mast & Doucette quite a bit. And even though some of them don't love it they still try to battle thru it I find. Kyrou (from years back) would totally disappear when it got nasty. Don't find this team does that. They actually tend to give it right back. Though a big part of that was Angus & Porter.

While I loved MacDonell's game he did really fall off as of late. If you take out the 4 goal game @ OSH he had 1 goal in his last 20 games. I'm not sure if he was banged up but he didn't seem to have that same burst to his stride or extra bit of nastiness he always played with that made him such a solid player.

Not sure how Del Bel Belluz handles it. From what I've read he's just a really good hockey player you can use in all situations & usually those guys handle it well, but we'll have to see what he's all about first to determine that.

It'll be super interesting to see if they ship out a D. It's a weird spot they're in when it comes to that. Not sure MacDonald would have much value but maybe a lesser team would take him. They love Hoover & he'll be around a few years. I don't think they'd deal Young just for the sake of it. He has good upside & we need bodies next year. Cant deal Fischer so it would only really leave u with Mast or Romeo & would u really trade either? For one I think they LOVE the idea of having E-DM, Romeo & Mast out there late in games up a goal. 3 giants who can just kill plays. Secondly, would they really wanna send either to a fellow contender? Cause a rebuilding team wouldn't want a '03.
 
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As for the game vs Erie they are super struggling right now so it has trap game written ALL over it. Coming off our best effort of the year, just made a gigantic trade, PBO/OTT up next.. Hopefully it goes the other way where they are so pumped up they just take it to them. Been a couple weeks since a dominant Voit game. Would love to see one.

Imagine Gaudreau starts & as crazy as it sounds this is a huge game for him. Might be unfair as you see guys have WJC hangovers sometimes, but if he came out & stunk tomorrow it would be a massive problem. Would guess DBB will play, unsure with Del Mastro who was at the leafs game with a handful of team Canada guys. I'd lean no because we were probably already in Erie & I doubt he makes the trip solo, but ya never know.
 
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I agree, they look really great on paper but playoffs are measured in skill and heart. Do they have enough heart or did they just traded it away? ...and man oh man they traded away a ton of heart and I don't see much of it on the current roster...esp on forward unit but stay tuned as it will be a fun ride.
Now it has to be noted that Sarnia have basically no picks for next couple of years and about 11 D sitting in the room shooting darts at each other. D need to be moved by Monday in order to have any hope for future years.
Also, Mississauga will be an awesome combo of skill and grit in a year or two. Wow.
With you on this one! Now that Seca has totally mortgaged the future of the franchise he may as well go out and find some gritty hard nosed kinda player(s) to fill that void the team lacks. We all know all too well that playoff hockey is a different animal.
 
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What are the odds of us recovering picks from dbb edm next year?
Low for DBB, zero for Del Mastro. Del Bel Belluz is a late birth drafted last summer. If he does not reach 90 pts and at least the conference final, increase the odds that he returns to >50%.
 
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I wouldn't hate today if they kept the top 2 lines the same from Friday & made "line 3" Vilmanis, DBB & Wainwright.

11/15/36 had phenomenal chemistry. But gonna guess they'll have DBB up in the lineup.
 

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I wouldn't hate today if they kept the top 2 lines the same from Friday & made "line 3" Vilmanis, DBB & Wainwright.

11/15/36 had phenomenal chemistry. But gonna guess they'll have DBB up in the lineup.

I expect DBB will get inserted onto line 1. He's our 1 C now no doubt.

Burke - DBB - Voit
Vilmanis - Lantz - Pastujov
Filak - Sikic - Wainwight
Hall - Way - Doucette

Ritchie - Kyrou
Del Mastro - Dillingham
Romeo - Mast
Hoover

Gaudreau
Surzycia
 

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I expect DBB will get inserted onto line 1. He's our 1 C now no doubt.

Burke - DBB - Voit
Vilmanis - Lantz - Pastujov
Filak - Sikic - Wainwight
Hall - Way - Doucette

Ritchie - Kyrou
Del Mastro - Dillingham
Romeo - Mast
Hoover

Gaudreau
Surzycia
God damn that top-6 is nice. Haha. Be interesting to see the pairs once they get some practice in.

What ridiculous depth on D, too.
 

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Voit-DBB-Burke
Pastujov-Filak-Sikic
Wainwright-Lantz-Vilmanis
Hall-Way

Romeo-Mast
Ritchie-Kyrou
Dillingham-Hoover

Surzycia.

Gaudreau & Del Mastro not dressed. Must be giving them weekend off.

Might be a bit of a disjointed game up front. No practice together for top line. Lantz/Vilmanis have never played together. Just gotta keep it simple.
 
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God I love Hoover. That poor kid on Erie had no idea who he was picking a fight with lol.

As expected a largely disjointed period up front. Sort of why I would've kept the T6 the same just for today.

Surzycia really solid. Great play on the PPG. Hopefully can find a bit of a groove in period 2 offensively.
 
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Not anywhere near as clean as it could be, but much better. Funny enough I didn't think they were playing well until Erie made it 4-1 then we really took it up a level those last 6-7 minutes.


Absolutely loving our puck movement. Especially this Ritchie-Kyrou pair. IMO been Kyrou's best game. He's been awesome. Been another great game from Sikic who looks like a man possessed this weekend. More of THIS, Marko.

Play clean & disciplined hockey in PD3 & we take 4/4 on the weekend.
 
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That was honestly exactly how I thought the game would go. We looked rather disjointed a majority of the day up front so didn't have much of a consistent attack, but when they were on the same page they were all over them & built a big lead then took their foot off the gas in the 3rd.

Ho-hum another multi-point game for Pastujov who has 29 points in 15 games for us. He had another diving block in the 1st. u could hear the bench yelling & tapping the boards with their sticks. Special player. Sikic was awesome today & the entire weekend. Let's hope we see this version of him going forward. Would make us that much deeper. Good weekend for Way, too who's quietly been a very solid 4C.

Romeo-Mast go +8 (+4 each) combined. They used their reach to perfection today. Didn't allow many zone entries at all. Kyrou-Ritchie is such a fun pair. Their puck movement & zone exits are beautiful to watch. Haven't been a liability at all either. Surzcyia rock solid once again stopping 25/27 & 49/52 (0.942 Sv%) on the weekend. If Ben doesn't play better there's gonna be a legitimate argument to give Surzcyia more starts. Just wish he was a bit more consistent.

Now Del Mastro & Gaudreau enter the lineup & we get a full week of practice before a doozy of a trip vs PBO-KGN-OTT.
 
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That was honestly exactly how I thought the game would go. We looked rather disjointed a majority of the day up front so didn't have much of a consistent attack, but when they were on the same page they were all over them & built a big lead then took their foot off the gas in the 3rd.

Ho-hum another multi-point game for Pastujov who has 29 points in 15 games for us. He had another diving block in the 1st. u could hear the bench yelling & tapping the boards with their sticks. Special player. Sikic was awesome today & the entire weekend. Let's hope we see this version of him going forward. Would make us that much deeper. Good weekend for Way, too who's quietly been a very solid 4C.

Romeo-Mast go +8 (+4 each) combined. They used their reach to perfection today. Didn't allow many zone entries at all. Kyrou-Ritchie is such a fun pair. Their puck movement & zone exits are beautiful to watch. Haven't been a liability at all either. Surzcyia rock solid once again stopping 25/27 & 49/52 (0.942 Sv%) on the weekend. If Ben doesn't play better there's gonna be a legitimate argument to give Surzcyia more starts. Just wish he was a bit more consistent.

Now Del Mastro & Gaudreau enter the lineup & we get a full week of practice before a doozy of a trip vs PBO-KGN-OTT.
Pathetic effort imo, think the team would be a bit more fired up after the gm got them some studs for a run. Outshot by the second worst team in the entire league. Brutal.
 
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Glad we played Erie today. Not exactly the best effort but enough was done for the win. They had to have made the early morning trip to Erie no? Seemed like it the way they were skating. Not a lot of energy or spark but I guess it wasn’t needed. Not a game I put much stock into. It’s a good thing we can look like shit and still win a hockey game 5-2…so let’s be happy about that.

Get some practice in and a nice eastern road trip to bond all the new guys in with the group and away we go. I expect another addition by Tuesday to address the bottom 6.
 
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Only three things I have to say on all that's transpired.
1) The steelhead are going to be insanely good in a few years.
2) Make it out of the west or big bust for the sting
3) Gaudreau better be above average to great
Sarnia better get into that 2 slot and make sure we dont see London till the conference finals. Seeing London in the 2nd round isnt ideal especially if they get Wright... If they get Wright that makes London better than Sarnia in my opinion... much better goaltending too.
 

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I have become such a massive Pastujov fan. He deserves so much more credit than he gets for the things he does outside of scoring goals.

Been a terrific teammate & player for us. Id honestly say hes been our best player since arriving. If your on the bench & see somebody like him sacrificing the body how can u not.

Sarnia better get into that 2 slot and make sure we dont see London till the conference finals. Seeing London in the 2nd round isnt ideal especially if they get Wright... If they get Wright that makes London better than Sarnia in my opinion... much better goaltending too.
2 or 3. Though who knows what's gonna happen in RD1. There's 7 good teams in the conference. While WSR LDN SAR have all bought drastically KIT FLT OS SAG are legitimate teams who could win a round. But i agree. Try to avoid them till rd3 if we get there by some miracle
 
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