Rumor: Sam Girard for forward help [ MOD warning # 274 ]

[Mrfenn92]

What would the Avs have to add to Girard to get Dach?

No thank you

 

[FerrisRox]

Girard thrives when he is on the 2nd pair and with a big stay at home defenceman who will cover for his pinches. The Avs have Byram and Toews on the left side, making Sammy G a bit redundant.

G isn't the type of player that you can throw anywhere in the lineup, but if you can tailor his zone starts and D partner, you are getting a great Defenceman

Why would you tailor his zone starts? That literally removes the best part of his game which is transitions.

 

[TheDachKnight]

What would the Avs have to add to Girard to get Dach?

Byram. Dach is pretty much an untouchable.

 

[FSL KINGS]

I wonder if a 3-team trade could make sense involving Chicago, Colorado, and LA. Chicago has Kubalik+ that could be offered up to try to get Girard. Colorado needs a long term solution at 2C. LA has lots of Cs and could probably use another solid top-6 forward. Something like this as the potential framework for a deal:

Chicago- Girard

Colorado- Vilardi and Kurashev

LA- Kubalik (with extension if need be but he’s still an RFA after this year)

More pieces would likely be added and not entirely sure on value, but I like the potential framework.

Yeah Kubalík to LA is problematic.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Avs realize the rest of the NHL saw Girard get exposed in the playoffs too right? Dude was useless out there.

He's not useless but he's also not a legit #1 all-situations d-man that some Avs fans are claiming.

 

[TheDachKnight]

Yeah Kubalík to LA is problematic.

Is it because of needs or because he didn’t sign there before?

 

[TheDachKnight]

He's not useless but he's also not a legit #1 all-situations d-man that some Avs fans are claiming.

I see a 2/3 D with some warts to his game but he produces points and has an excellent transition game. A lot of teams could use help there, especially my Blackhawks.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Is it because of needs or because he didn’t sign there before?

Kubalík was not impressed with the Kings organization & demanded a trade out. Think this started under Lombardi & Sutter & had some more speed bumps with Blake. He's not coming back to LA.

 

[TheDachKnight]

Kubalík was not impressed with the Kings organization & demanded a trade out. Think this started under Lombardi & Sutter & had some more speed bumps with Blake. He's not coming back to LA.

I didn’t realize that’s why he wasn’t signed. Nevermind that offer then.

 

[bsu]

He's not useless but he's also not a legit #1 all-situations d-man that some Avs fans are claiming.

That's what I mean they aren't going to get as much as they think they are. He was literally totally ineffective in the post season.

 

[Ararana]

Byram. Dach is pretty much an untouchable.

Why would we trade you the guy Bowman should have taken?

 

[TheDachKnight]

Why would we trade you the guy Bowman should have taken?

That’s kind of the point. Both are untouchable and rightfully so.

 

[kilowatt]

Yikes, you are a hyperbolic delusional homer.

That's a bit harsh mate, never said Girard wasn't a good hockey player. Just don't think Girard is the answer to LA's defensive puzzle. Iafallo has been LA's best forward this year. Better than Kopitar and Danault.

Just to recap, because I don't want to trade a top six forward with upside for a top four defenseman with upside, that makes me delusional and hyperbolic?

Yikes indeed.

 

[Papa Francouz]

Whats wrong with Kadri?

He's more of a low-end 2C right now, and he's neither consistent enough nor reliable enough for this team with Cup aspirations.

 

[CapSpace]

Montreal desperately need a guy like Girard.

 

[elitepete]

Have you seen Girard defend? He makes OEL look like Nick Lidstrom

Just because he was bad in one playoff series and the first 10 games of this season?

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Avs realize the rest of the NHL saw Girard get exposed in the playoffs too right? Dude was useless out there.

Unlike HF posters, NHL front offices don’t use 6 game sample sizes to form an opinion on a player. You’re not wrong that he was bad in that series, however that doesn’t simply wipe away a rather large body of work that is his career to this point. If we’re going to use one playoff series to discredit everything else he’s proven to this point do we consider Mcdavid average? Is Marner awful? The rest of the NHL saw Mark Stone not score a point in his most recent playoff series. Guess he sucks too.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

He's not useless but he's also not a legit #1 all-situations d-man that some Avs fans are claiming.

Who's claiming he's a #1D?

 

[bsu]

Unlike HF posters, NHL front offices don’t use 6 game sample sizes to form an opinion on a player. You’re not wrong that he was bad in that series, however that doesn’t simply wipe away a rather large body of work that is his career to this point. If we’re going to use one playoff series to discredit everything else he’s proven to this point do we consider Mcdavid average? Is Marner awful? The rest of the NHL saw Mark Stone not score a point in his most recent playoff series. Guess he sucks too.

Those players aren't sub 5'9 defensemen and they showed flashes while Girard was getting bullied. Don't get me wrong I'd still love to have him but it was very concerning for teams I'm sure.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Those players aren't sub 5'9 defensemen and they showed flashes while Girard was getting bullied. Don't get me wrong I'd still love to have him but it was very concerning for teams I'm sure.

So what about his series against the blues? Or his playoffs in the bubble a year earlier? They don’t count? It’s just the one against Vegas that matters? Is Mackinnon shit too since he sucked against Vegas?

I just find it weird how everyone concludes Sam Girard sucks because of a 6 game sample size despite being absolute money the rest of his career yet nobody else in the NHL gets that type of punishment when they fail in short sample sizes.

 

[majormajor]

He's more of a low-end 2C right now, and he's neither consistent enough nor reliable enough for this team with Cup aspirations.

The low-end 2C bit seems wildly off the mark. Kadri's scoring moves between regular 2C and low end 1C. It's really only the suspensions that make him unsuitable.

 

[Manhattan]

A left handed smurf dman who sucks in the playoffs, how did the Sabres refuse that?

Are you saying Buffalo got their mind on the playoffs while trading Eichel, their best player in recent time? If not, trade makes sense.

 

[Stephen]

Thought Girard and his salary would have been a good Rielly replacement if the Leafs let Rielly go to free agency a few months ago. Still like him.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Who's claiming he's a #1D?

You for one. Did you not say in this very thread that he is a top 30 d-man in the NHL and would be the #1 d-man on several teams?

Rumor: - Sam Girard for forward help

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

You for one. Did you not say in this very thread that he is a top 30 d-man in the NHL and would be the #1 d-man on several teams?

Rumor: - Sam Girard for forward help

That doesn't mean I consider him a #1D.


I dont think there's 30 #1D in the league and I certainly don't think every team in the league has one.