Saginaw Spirit 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)

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RangerNation

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Saginaw was near the top of the standings last year when they traded Mintuykov...is Kitchener really in a talent acquisition position? Right now there's about 7 guys averaging approx. a point per game or more. 6 of those 7 guys are 19/20 years old (only Rehkopf is a 05). That tells me that they're either in a go-for-it year where they should be making moves with some of their younger players, or they should be dealing a couple of those older guys, making the playoffs as a 4/5 seed and see what happens (similar to what Saginaw did last year). They can get a pretty big haul for some of those guys and if it was me, you sacrifice this year a little to be really good for the next 2-3 years and maybe even put in to host the next Memorial Cup. It all depends on what Kitchener wants to do but there's certainly going to be offers for some of those guys...there was a lot of talk in the offseason about Saginaw and Kitchener doing a deal.
I suggest reading the last month on the Rangers board to realize we have no idea what is going to happen. All we know right now is this Rangers team is good. A case can be made for a full sell, soft selling this season and next, or soft buying. There is no full on buy (but that may not be necessary anyways).
 
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I suggest reading the last month on the Rangers board to realize we have no idea what is going to happen. All we know right now is this Rangers team is good. A case can be made for a full sell, soft selling this season and next, or soft buying. There is no full on buy (but that may not be necessary anyways).
No one wins a title without going full buy.
 

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I don't think they would need to go full buy. 2 of their needs came back for free over the past couple weeks (Mesar and Schmidt). If they didn't, different story.
I don't know about the depth of Kitchener long term. Two lines can carry you til christmas but by the time you get to late Feb/Mar you better have 3 absolutely solid lines.
 

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I don't know about the depth of Kitchener long term. Two lines can carry you til christmas but by the time you get to late Feb/Mar you better have 3 absolutely solid lines.
I agree. Maybe that could be accomplished with a soft buy. Either way, it's fun to speculate on this bananas of a season.
 

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Saginaw was near the top of the standings last year when they traded Mintuykov...is Kitchener really in a talent acquisition position? Right now there's about 7 guys averaging approx. a point per game or more. 6 of those 7 guys are 19/20 years old (only Rehkopf is a 05). That tells me that they're either in a go-for-it year where they should be making moves with some of their younger players, or they should be dealing a couple of those older guys, making the playoffs as a 4/5 seed and see what happens (similar to what Saginaw did last year). They can get a pretty big haul for some of those guys and if it was me, you sacrifice this year a little to be really good for the next 2-3 years and maybe even put in to host the next Memorial Cup. It all depends on what Kitchener wants to do but there's certainly going to be offers for some of those guys...there was a lot of talk in the offseason about Saginaw and Kitchener doing a deal.
I would suspect the powers that be in Kitchener are probably looking at how far they can keep this success going. It's early in the season and teams will make decisions at after the Christmas break on what direction is appropriate. Right at this moment Mike McKenzie is keeping his cards close to his chest. They are as surprised as anyone on the way the Rangers started out. A lot of the talk about Saggy and Kitchener doing deals was on these boards. Doesn't amount to a hill of beans unless the GMs get involved. I hope Saginaw does a great job hosting and has a great run into the play offs and the Mem Cup. Hell of an exciting tourney to witness as a fan of your team when they are hosting. Once in a life time for some people.
 

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Lol. Zero chance he gets sent back but I appreciate the stab in the dark. Was this so Sarnia could take in Schwindt?

Sarnia had an open OA spot already for Schwindt. Would seem like low% but to be fair he's been healthy scratched a fair bit this season despite his production. Seems like they r a bit logjammed at F in Cleveland.

If it keeps up or his plays drops at all sending him to the mem cup host can't be the worst idea.
 

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Low chance. I wouldn’t say zero though. I’m guessing those conditions are going to tie up a bit of your draft capital though.
i would bet that the conditions would be null and void the day before the trade deadline, the oa dealine ist he day before so they probably will be freed up 24 hours before the final deadline.
 

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Dionicio is an import (Swiss)
I don't understand why though. He does have a US passport and was born in Newark NJ. Why does he still count as an import?
I know he plays for Switzerland internationally but so does Jordan Forget who did not have to go through the import draft because of his Canadian passport. Unlike Dionicio, Forget wasn't even born in NA. So what is it that qualifies him for the regular draft while Dionicio counts as an import? Can somebody explain the difference?
 

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He was playing out of the swiss league, so he was not eligible for the priority selection. Hence the import draft.
 

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But Jordan Forget (player OP mentioned) did the same thing and was not an import.
Exactly. Both of them drafted out of Switzerland. I don't think Forget ever lived or played in North America before. Was born in Switzerland and played all of his hockey there. He's got Canadian citizenship only because his father is Canadian. Dionicio grew up in Switzerland as well and played all of his hockey there, too. However, as mentioned already, he was born in the US. So I still don't get why Forget isn't an import but Dionicio is. There must be a reason but I'm confused.
 

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Exactly. Both of them drafted out of Switzerland. I don't think Forget ever lived or played in North America before. Was born in Switzerland and played all of his hockey there. He's got Canadian citizenship only because his father is Canadian. Dionicio grew up in Switzerland as well and played all of his hockey there, too. However, as mentioned already, he was born in the US. So I still don't get why Forget isn't an import but Dionicio is. There must be a reason but I'm confused.
Maybe because neither of Dionicio’s parents were Canadian/US citizens and Forget’s were?
 

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Maybe because neither of Dionicio’s parents were Canadian/US citizens and Forget’s were?
I think you automatically get US citizenship just for being born in the US? So it would be possible. However, his father didn't move over to Switzerland and still lives in Newark. I think he should have US citizenship by now but I don't know for sure.
 

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Having an address (for one year prior to draft?) where the OHL has territorial rights makes one eligible for the OHL priority draft. Many Russia and Ukraine players, Levin(s) of Israel are not imports because they live with family or family friends while playing in the GTHL
 

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Having an address (for one year prior to draft?) where the OHL has territorial rights makes one eligible for the OHL priority draft. Many Russia and Ukraine players, Levin(s) of Israel are not imports because they live with family or family friends while playing in the GTHL
So Forget was just smarter than Dionicio? Forget never actually lived in Canada. He played all of his hockey in Switzerland, just like his father did since Jordan's birth (except for one year in Japan). You can't live in Canada if you're a hockey pro playing in Switzerland. It's possible they have some kind of summer home in Canada if that counts as an address. In that case, Dionicio could have just pretended to live with his father in Newark. That wouldn't have been any more wrong than Forget actually having residence in Canada:laugh:
 

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So Forget was just smarter than Dionicio? Forget never actually lived in Canada. He played all of his hockey in Switzerland, just like his father did since Jordan's birth (except for one year in Japan). You can't live in Canada if you're a hockey pro playing in Switzerland. It's possible they have some kind of summer home in Canada if that counts as an address. In that case, Dionicio could have just pretended to live with his father in Newark. That wouldn't have been any more wrong than Forget actually having residence in Canada:laugh:

There is another way, a kid is eligible if his father played OHL.
 
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There is another way, a kid is eligible if his father played OHL.
Ah, now we got it. Thanks for the explanation. Can Europeans take advantage of this rule as well or do you still need US or Canadian citizenship?
 
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