Player Discussion Ryan Strome

[offdacrossbar]

that first line of bread strome and fast is so wrong. in every way.

however, and im not a big time quinn guy- surprise i know right, anyway, he got this one right. kudos.

strome continues to be a steady, heady puck machine who makes plays and keeps things honest defensively. he isnt flashy and he isnt snazzy, but hes efficient and smart as f***.

hes the same guy hes been all season. all the haters need to realize that with mika down, this guy has been money. hes earning his next deal and hopefully that will be no where near the 1st line.

adding the smart and equally efficient quickie to that line has been a smart move on quinns part.

this little run this team is on- without mika, is impressive. quinn gets some props from me for benching skjei.

great win and hank was vintage hank.

 

[True Blue]

or instead, crazy idea, but as a rebuilding team we keep chytil in the best position for him to grow and succeed.

Why would we ever want to do that?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Almost a full season now as a Ranger. 76 games, 23 goals and 23 assists. He's averaging a full minute of extra ice time per game here than overall in his career. And he's shooting 23%.

He's a fine player. I just don't know how valuable he is if he's shooting 10% (his career average) and being a 10 goal guy getting these kinda of mins.

This is a huge red flag

 

[Edge]

This is a huge red flag

I think it's a red flag if you're expecting him to score 30+ goals.

If you accept something closer to his career norm, and somewhere in the ballpark of 15-20 goals, not so much.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I think it's a red flag if you're expecting him to score 30+ goals.

If you accept something closer to his career norm, and somewhere in the ballpark of 15-20 goals, not so much.

It's a red flag when it comes to signing him to an extension and looking at the goals he's scored with such a high shooting percentage

 

[Edge]

It's a red flag when it comes to signing him to an extension and looking at the goals he's scored with such a high shooting percentage

I don't think the former is likely to happen, and if it did, I don't think it would be through the prism of the latter.

 

[McRanger]

I don't think the former is likely to happen, and if it did, I don't think it would be through the prism of the latter.

When did you become an optimist? Keep this up and SBOB will put you in the little black book where he keeps his sunshine club blacklist.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Strome's been solid in this little run he's on but he does not and never has passed the eye-test as a top6 center. He does not create enough offense to be that and he's pretty average defensively. He cannot carry the puck into the zone. As much flack as Stepan got and how people ripped on his skating, he could consistenly carry the mail into the zone. Strome can not.

Strome has been an extremely opportunistic scorer in his tenure here and while he's played solid at times, he's not a top-6 center and the Rangers aren't going to re-sign him or baking on him to be that.

 

[True Blue]

Strome has been an extremely opportunistic scorer in his tenure here and while he's played solid at times, he's not a top-6 center and the Rangers aren't going to re-sign him or baking on him to be that.

Where is this narrative coming from? Who is talking about him being a top 6 center? The conversations that have been had is about him becoming a second line player who can slide between wing and center and fill in where needed. Drop to the third line when needed. Fill in at center on a top line when needed (as he is currently doing). But basically on THIS team, play more wing then center and provide valuable flexibility.

No one believes the Rangers are banking on him being a top-2 line center. No one says that they are banking on him at all. BUT , depending on what happens for the rest of the year (and there are far too many variables in play right now), do not be absolutely shocked if he is in fact resigned to be the player that I described above.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Where is this narrative coming from? Who is talking about him being a top 6 center? The conversations that have been had is about him becoming a second line player who can slide between wing and center and fill in where needed. Drop to the third line when needed. Fill in at center on a top line when needed (as he is currently doing). But basically on THIS team, play more wing then center and provide valuable flexibility.

No one believes the Rangers are banking on him being a top-2 line center. No one says that they are banking on him at all. BUT , depending on what happens for the rest of the year (and there are far too many variables in play right now), do not be absolutely shocked if he is in fact resigned to be the player that I described above.

You and Edge are saying it explicity and/or through implication. You keep trying to knock down his high shooting% like it's irrelevant and say Strome has found a new level as an NHL player when he hasn't.

He most likely is going to command a raise from his 4M, and if that's the case the Rangers should definitely not try to re-sign him. If he wants to take a significant discount to stay with the boys, fine.

 

[Edge]

When did you become an optimist? Keep this up and SBOB will put you in the little black book where he keeps his sunshine club blacklist.

LOL, I feel like I am realist who can't win.

I don't get as excited as some, and that doesn't make them happy. I don't tend to be as fearful or down on things as others and I magically have rose-colored glasses on.

You know what I am? A moderate who is essentially roadkill in the middle of the HF Highway.

But joking aside, I think if Chytil wasn't here, and Howden wasn't a Quinn favorite, I think there might be a creeping thought about banking on him as their second line center. But right now, I think he's more of a transitional piece who is providing excellent value for what we paid and what we expected.

From a contract standpoint, if he wants to do two or three years at $4 million, and he can slide over to the RW and be a utility player, I'm not automatically opposed to that. If it were up to me, and it's obviously not, I'd probably move him at the deadline and see if I can get a Grabner return (or better).

 

[Edge]

You and Edge are saying it explicity and/or through implication. You keep trying to knock down his high shooting% like it's irrelevant and say Strome has found a new level as an NHL player when he hasn't.

So, let me meet you half way. He's shooting percentage returns to normal. So where does that put him? His career average? Maybe a little higher? So that's what? 15-20 goals?

So what about assists and other areas? Does that go down with his shooting percentage, or does it exist independently?

I'm not looking to completely knock down his shooting percentage. I'm looking for a counter argument that doesn't rely on it so heavily. Because it seems like one we get past that specific aspect, there are still other things to consider, such as whether he could be peaking at age 26, or whether he's a guy who can take advantage of talented wingers and get the puck to them (thus resulting in a greater number of assists).

Inevitably, we come right back to, "Yeah, but his shooting percentage...", but I don't think that's the end-all, be-all.

And at some point, I think there's more to this story than just his shooting percentage, and I've said as much by even playing devil's advocate and going with his career average shooting percentage and goal production.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

So, let me meet you half way. He's shooting percentage returns to normal. So where does that put him? His career average? Maybe a little higher? So that's what? 15-20 goals?

So what about assists and other areas? Does that go down with his shooting percentage, or does it exist independently?

I'm not looking to completely knock down his shooting percentage. I'm looking for a counter argument that doesn't rely on it so heavily. Because it seems like one we get past that specific aspect, there are still other things to consider, such as whether he could be peaking at age 26, or whether he's a guy who can take advantage of talented wingers and get the puck to them (thus resulting in a greater number of assists).

Inevitably, we come right back to, "Yeah, but his shooting percentage...", but I don't think that's the end-all, be-all.

And at some point, I think there's more to this story than just his shooting percentage, and I've said as much by even playing devil's advocate and going with his career average shooting percentage and goal production.

The Rangers won't sign Strome because they were bamboozled by such silliness as "missing a red flag on his shooting percentage".

I'm not saying there is a zero % chance he's signed. I'm saying he won't be signed due to some confusion with web stats.

Strome has played well, and he's going to net us a decent return when he's traded.

 

[Edge]

The Rangers won't sign Strome because they were bamboozled by such silliness as "missing a red flag on his shooting percentage".

I'm not saying there is a zero % chance he's signed. I'm saying he won't be signed due to some confusion with web stats.

Strome has played well, and he's going to net us a decent return when he's traded.

I 100 percent agree.

If he's resigned, and I'm not saying he will be, I don't think it will be because the Rangers think his ungodly shooting percentage is here to stay. Just like I don't think anyone would trade for him with that belief.

The shooting percentage is strange. But this is also a dude has 14 points thus far. If someone is looking for a guy who doesn't drive a line, but can connect with the guy who does, they can do a lot worse than Ryan Strome.

I feel like the shooting percentage thing has become a distraction. Let's say it's normal, and he's on a 15 goal pace right now. I'd like to think we'd still be able to feel impressed by the fact that he's on a 50 assist pace because, for whatever reason, he's found guys he has chemistry with and can take utilize that chemistry to our advantage.

That's why I'm not even arguing the shooting percentage. The dude still has 9 assists in 14 games without or without fluky ass shooting.

 

[True Blue]

You and Edge are saying it explicity and/or through implication. You keep trying to knock down his high shooting% like it's irrelevant and say Strome has found a new level as an NHL player when he hasn't.

He most likely is going to command a raise from his 4M, and if that's the case the Rangers should definitely not try to re-sign him. If he wants to take a significant discount to stay with the boys, fine.

Not going to seap for Edge, but I doubt you will find anywhere that either of us is impying the he is the Rangers top 6 center of the future.

Also not knocking down the shooting percentage, but rather I believe that you cannot simply blindly look at it and not consider other factors (which I have already gone through ad nauseum). Yes, the shooting percentage will go down. No it will not go down to zero. He is not going to become an 80 point player. But considering that he has been in the 30-40 range multiple times, to say that he can be a 50 point player is not some sort of pie in the sky statement. And if he is a 50 point player, then he certainly is a second line NHL player. Some would even consider that lower tier first line production.

Should we penalize him for assists? If he made a pass to Panarin and that resulted in a goal, should that count against him?

He will command what he will command. And no one can put a price tag on what finally finding comfort in a franchise can be. But rather than dealing in absolutes of what WILL occur, I will discuss what the possibilities are. As of today, that is all that we can discuss. To simply rule him out of the family photo is a bit short sighted, based on what we are seeing today. Let's see how the year unfolds.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

So, let me meet you half way. He's shooting percentage returns to normal. So where does that put him? His career average? Maybe a little higher? So that's what? 15-20 goals?

So what about assists and other areas? Does that go down with his shooting percentage, or does it exist independently?

I'm not looking to completely knock down his shooting percentage. I'm looking for a counter argument that doesn't rely on it like a crutch.

His On-Ice SH% at even strength this year is 17%, his career OiSH% is 8.7 so you can expect his points and assists will also go down

 

[Edge]

His On-Ice SH% at even strength this year is 17%, his career OiSH% is 8.7 so you can expect his points and assists will also go down

I fully expect it to go down.

But you don't think it's possible that it exceeds what he was doing at at 23 because:

A. His game is peaking and he's hitting the right age for that to happen

B. He is playing with more talented linemates

C. He has chemistry with more talented linemates

D. All of the above

Again, the argument isn't whether he's an 80 point player. The argument is whether he's better than the 15 goal, 38 point player he was when he was younger. People are arguing against the former, and that's not what most people (any?) are saying.

 

[True Blue]

That's why I'm not even arguing the shooting percentage. The dude still has 9 assists in 14 games without or without fluky ass shooting.

Gun to head, how many teams would have signed on to have their #6 forward be a 15 goal, 30 assist player who can slide from wing to center and line to line with ease?

 

[pld459666]

If Stromes best asset is his ability to get the puck to Panarin, hes going to be a very valuable player.

It's clear that Artemi is demonstrating an ability to not need another elite player on his line.

Having a guy that Knows his role and shuts his mouth ride shotgun to Artemi is not the worst thing in the world

 

[Edge]

Gun to head, how many teams would have signed on to have their #6 forward be a 15 goal, 30 assist player who can slide from wing to center and line to line with ease?

Exactly.

The standard doesn't have to be his present pace.

No one, not even the people who are praising what he's done, are pushing that he's a 30 goal/80 point player.

If anything, his supporters are actually projecting him closer to his career average --- but with a bump. Saying he could very well be a 20 goal/50 point player is a hell of a lot closer to his 15/38 average than it is the 30/80 point pace he's on now.

But the hard-line stance on Strome is baffling. He is what he is and that's that. Hell, I've actually seen more posts calling him a 25-30 point player than the 30/80 player that no one seems to be suggesting, and yet seems to end up defending.

 

[Edge]

If Stromes best asset is his ability to get the puck to Panarin, hes going to be a very valuable player.

It's clear that Artemi is demonstrating an ability to not need another elite player on his line.

Having a guy that Knows his role and shuts his mouth ride shotgun to Artemi is not the worst thing in the world

Bingo.

I think we have to be careful not to assume that "anyone" can produce, just so long as they're with an elite player. That's not always true. Chemistry and the ability to mesh with an elite player is not a given, and we've seen that first hand around here over the years.

I'd rather have a slightly above average NHL player who find chemistry with my top talents, than an elite NHL player who can't function with them.

But Strome isn't total dog shit when it comes to talent either. He's not elite, he's not great. But he's not Erik Christensen either. That's okay. We don't need to fight the urge to appreciate that. We've over-projected far worse players, with far less results.

 

[kovazub94]

Completely agree with "pro-Strome" crowd and honestly not sure what anti-crowds is arguing against. Are you afraid that the Rangers might be considering giving him 2C type contract based on what he's done here? Rest assured, he's not getting Hayes' money, he's not even getting JTM's type of contract, at least not from the Rangers. When everyone's healthy and when Kakko doesn't need as much insulation as he's getting now (soon) there's no room for Strome in top-6 even this season. But he'd be perfectly fine long-term on the 3rd line and provides flexibility to fit in top-6 in emergency.

@Edge mentioned $4m and as @True Blue I wonder that based on his current comfort with the Rangers as a stark contrast against his past struggles elsewhere if Strome could give the team even bigger discount.

 

[Edge]

Completely agree with "pro-Strome" crowd and honestly not sure what anti-crowds is arguing against. Are you afraid that the Rangers might be considering giving him 2C type contract based on what he's done here? Rest assured, he's not getting Hayes' money, he's not even getting JTM's type of contract, at least not from the Rangers. When everyone's healthy and when Kakko doesn't need as much insulation as he's getting now (soon) there's no room for Strome in top-6 even this season. But he'd be perfectly fine long-term on the 3rd line and provides flexibility to fit in top-6 in emergency.

@Edge mentioned $4m and as @True Blue I wonder that based on his current comfort with the Rangers as a stark contrast against his past struggles elsewhere if Strome could give the team even bigger discount.

Strome is a RFA who is playing the best hockey of his career, and in a position where he directly benefits from the talent he is surrounded by. He's making $3.1 million this season.

Let's assume he finished with 20 goals and 50 points. A salary of $3.5 to $4 million could look attractive to both sides.

But I digress, that's still a ways off, with a lot of hockey left to play.

 

[kovazub94]

Strome is a RFA who is playing the best hockey of his career, and in a position where he directly benefits from the talent he is surrounded by. He's making $3.1 million this season.

Let's assume he finished with 20 goals and 50 points. A salary of $3.5 to $4 million could look attractive to both sides.

But I digress, that's still a ways off, with a lot of hockey left to play.

I wouldn't be against this price tag for (3-)4 years without restriction clauses.

 

[duhmetreE]

Shot% is being over done. Put it into context. He has 23 shots in 14games; last year he had 80 shots in 63. If he were a shooter like an Ovi, I'd say he cannot sustain 20+%.

His high IQ puts him in high scoring spots; where his shots come from. He's developed as a player.

Here's a project for the 'analytics nerds'. Break down where Stromes shots come from... now what are the shot% from those spots?