Player Discussion Ryan Strome

[gravey9]

The Strome debate is really a salary cap-induced debate. If there were no salary cap, Strome would be as valued as Jesper Fast. He's become as much of a utility man as Fast is. One can make the argument that Strome has been the most consistent forward on the team during the full run of his tenure.

But because he makes 4m and possibly more, there's a huge debate. Martin Straka, Sergei Nemchinov and Ruslan Fedotenko didn't garner this much debate. Why? Cause they were here pre-salary cap.

Point is, everyone is pulling out these fancy stats and arguments to justify their positions. When, in reality, the only question we're really arguing is: what should Ryan Strome's cap hit be? That's literally it. Because you literally cannot argue about his effectiveness and positive impact on the team.

So, let's cut to the chase shall we? And just discuss this question. At what price and term are you willing to keep Ryan Strome for (beyond this season)? What are our needs at C and forward beyond this year? And can Ryan Strome fill those needs? Or are there better options?

I would argue that we need to know what we have with Howden and Andersson by the end of this year. We need to know if Zibby can stay healthy. We need to know if Chytil can be a full-time 2c going forward. Beyond that, we have ONE center prospect with any 2c upside; Karl Henriksson. And he's likely 2 seasons away.

 

[True Blue]

So, let's cut to the chase shall we? And just discuss this question. At what price and term are you willing to keep Ryan Strome for (beyond this season)? What are our needs at C and forward beyond this year? And can Ryan Strome fill those needs? Or are there better options?

Center needs are not an issue at all. At what price? $4x4 is looking like smart business. But, again, there is a lot of time left and other factors are in play.

He is not being looked at as a center but a wing that certainly can step in and play center without missing a beat. There is a lot of value in a player like that.

Oh, and that beautiful pass? Just ignore it. It cannot possibly be maintained what with his abnormally high shooting percentage.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Center needs are not an issue at all. At what price? $4x4 is looking like smart business. But, again, there is a lot of time left and other factors are in play.

He is not being looked at as a center but a wing that certainly can step in and play center without missing a beat. There is a lot of value in a player like that.

Oh, and that beautiful pass? Just ignore it. It cannot possibly be maintained what with his abnormally high shooting percentage.

I think two things:

1) We as Ranger fans aren't used to guys coming here and be the most productive they're been in their career.

2) Strome is not a pure stop-gap guy. He is still young and with upside. He's not a Martin Rucinsky or a Steve Rucchin.

 

[True Blue]

I think two things:

1) We as Ranger fans aren't used to guys coming here and be the most productive they're been in their career.

2) Strome is not a pure stop-gap guy. He is still young and with upside. He's not a Martin Rucinsky or a Steve Rucchin.

Agreed. Just seems like there is an agenda by some to write him off for no reason whatsoever. I do not get it.

 

[duhmetreE]

Strome is seeing the ice really well

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

When Zib comes back i think we should keep Panarin with Strome they work well together. Then put Kakko with either Zib, Panarin+Strome, or Chytil. Just get him away from Howden for the love of god

 

[Irishguy42]

When Zib comes back i think we should keep Panarin with Strome they work well together. Then put Kakko with either Zib, Panarin+Strome, or Chytil. Just get him away from Howden for the love of god

Panarin-Strome-Kakko
KZB

Then again, if we want to really spice it up:
Panarin-Strome-Kakko
Chytil-Zibanejad-Buch

 

[Trxjw]

I don't think the Rangers would have any problem with rolling 3 lines that have a "pair" on them. Strome/Panarin, Zib/Kakko, Chytil/Buch could give the Rangers some pretty insane scoring depth and it'd be very hard for other teams to match up against that. I understand the trepidation around giving Strome a contract extension, but if the price is right, he's a versatile player who seems to do well anywhere in the lineup.

 

[Blue Blooded]

Keep the lines that are working as they are (PSF and KCB) and let Mika rescue Kakko from Howden when he gets back. When one of the other lines are struggling you move Mika up.

Oh, and Fast should be as given as Panarin in the top-6 at this point considering how well he's played 5v5 - he is having the same type of impact as prime Hagelin which is exactly the type of player you want on the ice with your most talented scorers.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Keep the lines that are working as they are (PSF and KCB) and let Mika rescue Kakko from Howden when he gets back. When one of the other lines are struggling you move Mika up.

Oh, and Fast should be as given as Panarin in the top-6 at this point considering how well he's played 5v5 - he is having the same type of impact as prime Hagelin which is exactly the type of player you want on the ice with your most talented scorers.

Exactly what they should do. Would give us good depth throughout the lineup and would in theory turn that 3L into a positive instead

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Keep getting that trade value up

 

[kovazub94]

Panarin-Strome-Kakko
KZB

Then again, if we want to really spice it up:
Panarin-Strome-Kakko
Chytil-Zibanejad-Buch

Chytil on a wing? Terrible

 

[Irishguy42]

Chytil on a wing? Terrible

But spicy.

 

[Bill Sergio]

My lines would be....
Panarin - Strome - Fast
Kreider - Chytil - Buchnevich
Lemieux - Zibanejad - Kakko
Haley - McKegg - Smith
Nieves
( send Andersson and Howden to Hartford where they can play 20 + minutes a night. It is not helping Lias develop playing less then 10 minutes a night. )

Hajek - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox
Skjei - ADA
( put Staal on LTIR )

 

[Cassano]

re-sign him

 

[darko]

My lines would be....
Panarin - Strome - Fast
Kreider - Chytil - Buchnevich
Lemieux - Zibanejad - Kakko
Haley - McKegg - Smith
Nieves
( send Andersson and Howden to Hartford where they can play 20 + minutes a night. It is not helping Lias develop playing less then 10 minutes a night. )

Hajek - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox
Skjei - ADA
( put Staal on LTIR )

That's horrible.

 

[Stasis]

Strome is definitely making a case for himself here. Let's see what a full, or even half season looks like (particularly playing 2C behind a healthy Mika) but he's doing real good things beyond the point sheet and seems to be growing well with this team under Quinn. He wouldn't be the first player to flourish at his age once given a real chance to do so. So for now I'm strongly in the "do not trade him" camp, but I definitely want to wait before re-signing. Then again, what if he ends up with a monster season (for him) and hits 60+ pts? Makes him an expensive player to keep and a gamble on if he can do it again. Tricky situation given our desperate need for a center here and now, not later.

I still see him as a 3C on a good team who's playing above his level but I was thinking that last season too and he's better now through 15. I've been firmly in the "keep him" camp since last season. I just didn't expect it might cost as much as it could if he keeps this up. I was thinking he could be kept as a great 3C on a cheaper deal, so him putting up this performance long term makes it a tougher decision. We have no centers behind Mika other than him atm and obtaining one who's ready sooner than later will be pretty damn hard. Chytil is showing that he can play and score, but still nothing near the kind of center we'd need and I think he can flourish more as a scoring winger which we will need as well. Even if he does flourish as a true center, it's a good mix to have when combined WITH Strome. Howden and Andersson look more and more like 4th liners who can slot up here and there. I know it's early and they're young. I like Andersson's energy and would love to see him progress up to a good 3c. Howden, I just don't see it.

If Strome and Chytil prove they can keep this up (not necessarily THIS pace but something close enough and good progress), and we also go out and get a decent C prospect or slightly older (23-25) C to add to the mix, along with drafting well, then this could work. Lotta ifs. But for now, I like what I'm seeing from them and I wanna see more.

There's some optimism now that I hope lasts because we'd/we'll be very poorly off otherwise. Having some center depth changes everything for us. I'm not worried about W, D, or G.

edit:

My lines would be....
Panarin - Strome - Fast
Kreider - Chytil - Buchnevich
Lemieux - Zibanejad - Kakko
Haley - McKegg - Smith

That's awful even if we assume you're running the top 3 lines equally. It's the kind of thing a coach does when the team has dropped 3 straight and then a 4 goal lead in game 4 just to spark some energy on lines. Panarin and Strome together with Mika centering a different line is fine since both Panarin and Mika can "carry" lines, but the rest is a mess! Either way, we'll be seeing Panarin and Mika back together soon enough, and that's where we'll get to see what Strome can do on his own line which is important to know moving forward. How he does with and without top tier talent.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

My lines would be....
Panarin - Strome - Fast
Kreider - Chytil - Buchnevich
Lemieux - Zibanejad - Kakko
Haley - McKegg - Smith
Nieves
( send Andersson and Howden to Hartford where they can play 20 + minutes a night. It is not helping Lias develop playing less then 10 minutes a night. )

Hajek - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox
Skjei - ADA
( put Staal on LTIR )

I would be all in on this. But it ain't happening.

But back to the topic, Strome has really grown on my and I would like to keep him going forward. He's a veteran but still young, he's the same draft class as Mika (taken one pick ahead of him) and I could see him being a late bloomer type. I mean he looked like a future top 6 C his first full year with the Islanders and then he regressed pretty badly.

 

[TaroTsujimoto]

Leading the team in primary assists with 8. Buchnevich is next with 6. Panarin has 3.

He has become a really valuable player. Let's remember that Zibanejad was nothing special until last season. Any reason why Strome can't follow the same path?

 

[Bob Richards]

Ryan Spooner I will never forget your sacrifice

thx u

 

[Trxjw]

There's a fine line between riding the coattails of a better player and simply being just talented enough to make the thing work. Fans often get obsessed with finding the best player to go with their best player. I've been hearing the "winger for Crosby" narrative here in Pittsburgh for a decade now and yet his best linemates have been guys who nobody pegged as good enough to play with him.

If Strome can be a facilitator between Panarin and whomever? He could be well worth a contract extension.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Alright Gorton I forgive you for the Eric Staal trade

We need to resign Strome. It's not a want, it's a need. We just don't have the talent at the C position in the prospect pool. Strome is finally reaching his potential and what we're seeing isn't a fluke. Do I think he'll continue to produce at a point per game pace? Of course not, but I don't think he's less than a 50 point player either based on what I'm seeing. You can never be too deep down the middle in this league. I throw $4.5Mx4 at him screaming "take my money" the entire time

 

[Anzi]

Even if Strome isn't the one driving the line, just being able to fit in at center in place of Zibanejad without a dip in production makes him valuable. If we can re-sign Strome for less than what a typical 2C would make and he is able to keep up with Panarin, that's allows us to save quite a bit of cap. We could play Zibanejad on a separate line which would give us 2 good lines instead of just 1.

 

[True Blue]

Keep the lines that are working as they are (PSF and KCB) and let Mika rescue Kakko from Howden when he gets back. When one of the other lines are struggling you move Mika up.

Oh, and Fast should be as given as Panarin in the top-6 at this point considering how well he's played 5v5 - he is having the same type of impact as prime Hagelin which is exactly the type of player you want on the ice with your most talented scorers.

I can see what you are saying, but I actually believe that for one reason or another, that Kakko is having his success with Lemieux as a linemate. Maybe one has nothing to do with the other, maybe it is coincidence. But to me, that is not worth messing with. Even if it means that Howden is the center.

To be ZBad goes back on the top line with Panarin and Strome moves to RW. Chytily stays and centers Kreider and Buch and the third line remains the same (or maybe someone like Andersson gets a crack). Then Fast slides back to the 4th line with Smith as the other 4th line wing.

 

[True Blue]

My lines would be....
Panarin - Strome - Fast
Kreider - Chytil - Buchnevich
Lemieux - Zibanejad - Kakko
Haley - McKegg - Smith
Nieves
( send Andersson and Howden to Hartford where they can play 20 + minutes a night. It is not helping Lias develop playing less then 10 minutes a night. )

Hajek - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox
Skjei - ADA
( put Staal on LTIR )

Zibanejad on the 3rd line? Really?