Ryan Johansen

[MAHJ71]

Yes, it makes sense to trade your young superstar who goes through a tough period of his career while his value isn't very high and even if it is high you're not going to get the same return that he's worth.

You know who thought this? Peter Chiarelli, or however you spell it, with Seguin in Boston. How'd that work out? Maybe we should stop attacking the KID and his character?

I would stop wanting him to be traded, unless you want us to be like the Boston Bruins, who gave away a young superstar in Seguin for nothing. They won't get over that one for a long time, and neither would we if we traded Johansen.

At what point will it be time for that "kid" to grow up and start playing/giving effort to his potential on a PROFESSIONAL hockey team?

 

[CBJWerenski8]

At what point will it be time for that "kid" to grow up and start playing/giving effort to his potential on a PROFESSIONAL hockey team?

im not excusing effort at all. He should be scolded if they feel like he's floating or not going all in (or not being in shape.) but that is no reason to trade him.

 

[MAHJ71]

im not excusing effort at all. He should be scolded if they feel like he's floating or not going all in (or not being in shape.) but that is no reason to trade him.

Being a #1C and not performing up to standard and setting a good example for others is not a good enough reason? Not to mention all the other drama that has came with him.

Obviously its a player by player basis, but when it comes to Johansen - I'm fed up with it.

 

[Viqsi]

TWELVE.
****ING.
YEARS.

We have been searching for a #1C - any #1C, anyone even RESEMBLING a #1C... for TWELVE. ****ING. YEARS.

And now because we're seeing growing pains and it's just so hard to see that we want to trade him?

WHAT THE UNEARTHLY **** IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!

What in the HELL makes you think this is something that we can just ship away and get a replacement and All Will Be Well? Did we not just spend TWELVE. ****ING. YEARS proving EXACTLY OTHERWISE?! That it's NOT simple to get a #1C?

Insanity. Utter insanity.

 

[EDM]

Wennberg, you still have not answered the big question: Are you willing to give to the player you currently see on the ice wearing Joey's jersey an $8-10 million dollar, 6-7 year contract with a no movement clause? Or perhaps stated in a different way, do you want to go thru the Rick Nash saga again?

 

[MAHJ71]

TWELVE.
****ING.
YEARS.

We have been searching for a #1C - any #1C, anyone even RESEMBLING a #1C... for TWELVE. ****ING. YEARS.

And now because we're seeing growing pains and it's just so hard to see that we want to trade him?

WHAT THE UNEARTHLY **** IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!

What in the HELL makes you think this is something that we can just ship away and get a replacement and All Will Be Well? Did we not just spend TWELVE. ****ING. YEARS proving EXACTLY OTHERWISE?! That it's NOT simple to get a #1C?

Insanity. Utter insanity.

Forgot the morning cup of coffee or one too many?

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Being a #1C and not performing up to standard and setting a good example for others is not a good enough reason? Not to mention all the other drama that has came with him.

For one 13 game stretch he isn't performing like a #1 C since he's become a #1 C. Literally, the only time. He's a young guy himself, still learning the league and still learning his own game, but really he's not 'veteran' type player younger guys should lean on quite yet. What drama? Unless I'm missing something drama he's ever provided directly was mostly media driven or fan freak outs during his contract negotiation. The contract negotiation was just that, a negotiation. He said some things that he probably regrets (the slap in the face thing) and that's literally it. He wasn't the one who leaked the Torts conditioning thing, etc. that's drama that the team provides, not him. He said it himself that these things should stay in house.

No, that is not a reason to trade him.

 

[Viqsi]

Forgot the morning cup of coffee or one too many?

I'm beginning to presume the only way to talk to people totally out of their minds is to embrace the insanity.

Seriously. TWELVE. ****ING. YEARS. That this is even a conversation is the real embarrassment to our franchise.

 

[EDM]

Viqsi, it should be obvious that the "what's the matter" is answered by the question of whether Joey is going through "growing pains" or it reflects more of his permanent attitude. You see it as growing pains. Others see it differently. No reason to resort to your hysterical style. It is a matter of difference in perception.

Here is a test question: Do you see a difference in attitude on the ice between Boone Jenner and Ryan Johanson? If you say, "no". Well, ok, but I think a lot of people, including the two highest ranking people in the franchise, would disagree with you.

Put Boone's on-ice attitude with Joey's skill and you have a guy who is worth that big contract. Without that combination, it is debatable.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Wennberg, you still have not answered the big question: Are you willing to give to the player you currently see on the ice wearing Joey's jersey an $8-10 million dollar, 6-7 year contract with a no movement clause? Or perhaps stated in a different way, do you want to go thru the Rick Nash saga again?

Bad question, because this is the worst stretch of his career since he's become a #1 C. This is a bad stretch, but I think his game is coming around. He does appear to get winded, supporting the Torts conditioning issue, but he also came off a sickness (if you believe it, like I do). Let's give it a few weeks before freaking out, okay?

Absolutely I give this guy a long term contract. No question. Calling it/him the Rick Nash era 2 is frankly insulting to not only him but Rick Nash. Did Nash give debatable effort at times? Sure. Does Joey at times? Sure. Does everyone else at times? Absolutely. It's just because he's the best player that he gets singled out.

 

[EDM]

Sorry to repsond to your capital letters and bold emphasis with logic.

 

[Viqsi]

Viqsi, it should be obvious that the "what's the matter" is answered by the question of whether Joey is going through "growing pains" or it reflects more of his permanent attitude. You see it as growing pains. Others see it differently. No reason to resort to your hysterical style. It is a matter of difference in perception.

Here is a test question: Do you see a difference in attitude on the ice between Boone Jenner and Ryan Johanson? If you say, "no". Well, ok, but I think a lot of people, including the two highest ranking people in the franchise, would disagree with you.

Put Boone's on-ice attitude with Joey's skill and you have a guy who is worth that big contract. Without that combination, it is debatable.

What is is is that I don't think it matters one damn bit. We need someone with that skill level. He has that skill level. We need someone who can put up large amounts of points and elevate others' play. He puts up large amounts of points and elevates the play of others.

Is he always dialed in? No, and that's unfortunate. Is he a team leader? No, he's not.

Does that matter one damn bit? NO. Because we have guys like Boone and Dubinsky who can and do make that push, and that's nothing new for many teams, including Cup-winning teams.

Is Joey perfect? No. But TWELVE. ****ING. YEARS. Throwing him out because "well, if only he could be so much more X" is something beyond cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. It's nothing short of insanity.

 

[EspenK]

I bet this same discussion was had in the early days of Rick Nash's tendency to disappear for stretches. That is the comparison that needs to be thought through before a long term deal is handed to Joey. As of right now I wouldn't give the contract.

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

I bet this same discussion was had in the early days of Rick Nash's tendency to disappear for stretches. That is the comparison that needs to be thought through before a long term deal is handed to Joey. As of right now I wouldn't give the contract.

I have no problem giving him a contract. The question, of course, is the money and the term. I am not sure how reasonable their side is going to be, especially after the last round of contract discussions.

 

[EDM]

I am sure Joey's side will be very unreasonable. $ 8 million per year will be the minimum starting point for any UFA deal for Joey.

I am not panicking at all. I have clearly stated that any trade, if it should be made at all, will occur either at the deadline or in the off-season when the FO has had a significant opportunity to draw conclusions about Joey and his attitude during this non-contract year.

Next year will be a "contract year" for Joey. I have no doubt he will be motivated and score 35 goals with 75+ points. But when you are handing out long term, expensive contracts you want to be sure about the kind of performance you will get in those several years where there is no contract issue for which to play hard. Thus, I think management will be looking at Joey's performance THIS YEAR as a measure of what they will be buying in a long term contract. Hopefully he will get it together. But if "conditioning" is really an issue in this non-contract year, "buyer beware" signs will be flashing for the FO. So it will be interesting to see how this year plays out for Joey, regardless of how the team finishes.

 

[DarkandStormy]

He puts up large amounts of points and elevates the play of others.

Advanced stats disagree through 14 games.

 

[EDM]

Again, Viqsi, sorry you can not see that disagreeing with you does not make a person insane.

 

[db2011]

I am sure Joey's side will be very unreasonable. $ 8 million per year will be the minimum starting point for any UFA deal for Joey.

I am not panicking at all. I have clearly stated that any trade, if it should be made at all, will occur either at the deadline or in the off-season when the FO has had a significant opportunity to draw conclusions about Joey and his attitude during this non-contract year.

Next year will be a "contract year" for Joey. I have no doubt he will be motivated and score 35 goals with 75+ points. But when you are handing out long term, expensive contracts you want to be sure about the kind of performance you will get in those several years where there is no contract issue for which to play hard. Thus, I think management will be looking at Joey's performance THIS YEAR as a measure of what they will be buying in a long term contract. Hopefully he will get it together. But if "conditioning" is really an issue in this non-contract year, "buyer beware" signs will be flashing for the FO. So it will be interesting to see how this year plays out for Joey, regardless of how the team finishes.

If it's conditioning, that sucks, but I'd consider putting that in the "teachable moment" file. He's young and is now seeing the consequences not being in top shape. He was also HOSPITALIZED. So the conditioning issue is still an if.

Put me in the no way camp when it comes to trading Joey.

Also, you can't speak with such assurance about 2 years from now. We can make inferences but the way you're talking about it is too sure.

 

[thebus2288*]

Jojo's just trying as much as Jojo knows how.

Jojo+Saad+Milano for Barkov+Ekblad

 

[Cash for Nash]

Jojo's just trying as much as Jojo knows how.

Jojo+Saad+Milano for Barkov+Ekblad

Easy turn down for Florida.

 

[CBJx614]

Alright so I'll be the first one to say, I may be wrong on Joey. He does the right things, but I think it's gonna take the right person to make it click for him. And that's a game I don't wanna play again(finding someone for Nash).

All I'm gonna say is if we're not in it by the deadline and are in the bottom 5 then I wouldn't be against a monster deal to reshape the D.

There's no way around it, the D needs a complete retool. Keep Murray, Savard and Goloubef. Grab two solid defenders between the deadline and the start of next season and go from there. Hopefully Werenski is ready, but it's not something to count on.

 

[Nanabijou]

I'm staking the middle ground here. By no means am I ready to give up on Joey as of right now. I have no idea what has been going on behind the scenes, but I'm still hopeful he'll get it figured out at some point this year.

However, stating that even the thought of trading him is insane because we never had a #1C is ridiculous. The front office need to think long and hard whether they are staking this franchise to Joey next year when the long-term contract negotiations begin. This is a big decision for this franchise and I'm not yet convinced Joey will become "the man" here no matter what position he plays.

Regardless, I am confident that Joey will not get traded this season. If JK/JD decide to move in a different direction, the best time is likely around the draft. That also happens to be just before he gets his $3 million raise with his $6 million salary kicking in.

 

[We Want Ten]

I'm staking the middle ground here. By no means am I ready to give up on Joey as of right now. I have no idea what has been going on behind the scenes, but I'm still hopeful he'll get it figured out at some point this year.

However, stating that even the thought of trading him is insane because we never had a #1C is ridiculous. The front office need to think long and hard whether they are staking this franchise to Joey next year when the long-term contract negotiations begin. This is a big decision for this franchise and I'm not yet convinced Joey will become "the man" here no matter what position he plays.

Regardless, I am confident that Joey will not get traded this season. If JK/JD decide to move in a different direction, the best time is likely around the draft. That also happens to be just before he gets his $3 million raise with his $6 million salary kicking in.

Pretty much where I am.

 

[Viqsi]

Suppose we dump Joey. Where do we get our replacement #1C? How do we do so in a timeframe smaller than twelve years?

Answers to this offered so far: NONE. ZERO. ZIP. It's all "Well, Joey doesn't X and Joey doesn't Y and I don't know and I'm worried and etc. etc. etc.". NOBODY has suggested a replacement plan, and it sure as hell looks like the only one acknowledging that it took us over twelve years to do it last time is me.

 

[Viqsi]

Advanced stats disagree through 14 games.

Well gee golly gosh darn. You'd almost think players on this team are not doing well. OH WAIT

OF COURSE it's going to show him doing poorly in the last 14 games - because he has, along with the rest of the team. The question is whether or not that's the norm. And we have two prior seasons that suggest otherwise.