Ryan Johansen
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Mayor Bee
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The thing you and others seems to not understand is that the LACK OF INFO is exactly the type of "info" that can be used to come up with an "intelligent" remark or opinion. The VAST MAJORITY of the nearly unlimited amount of serious and satirical "guesses" you and others have come up with, would either have simply been told to us, or it would have kept him out for MUCH LONGER than he was. IMO most of you believed 1 of these "tests" that was performed on him would "turn up" something. They DIDNT. There's been lots of crickets in the Pro-Jojo camp ever since...
There's a big difference between "lazy" for an average US male and "lazy" for a pro athlete. There are plenty of "lazy" players in ALL of pro sports that have gotten there simply on average work ethic, opportunity, and above average skill and genetics. This is a perfect example of the difference between Toews and Jojo and the difference between "one of the best players" and "one of the most skilled players".
Over MANY decades, MANY "conspiracy theories" and MANY intelligent and respected "professional" people have made claims and predictions that have become very true or proven that they happened. There's countless amounts "declassified" documents that PROVE THINGS that people don't or cant believe, today. And they wont tomorrow, with your train of thought. The OVERALL "point" if you have to categorize all "conspiracy" or "alternate" theories together is that, 'Why cant we be told the full truth?' Would we do "damage" to ourselves or some other "entity" if we were given the "full story"?
Really, think about these things: Why do you think a certain thing is "true" or "untrue"? Who do you give the authority to, to believe or express the idea they are telling you or others the "truth"? Your local NBC news affiliate? Fox news? Anderson Cooper? Brian Williams? Tom Brokaw? Diane Sawyer? Barbara Walters? Obama? The Bush's? Portzline?
Think of the mindset a child has when they are either told or "realize" that the tooth fairy, easter bunny, or santa don't actually exist. Or when its realized that babies don't come from a type of bird that they've never actually seen before. What changes from directly before and after the "realization" of the "truth"? Perception....not reality.
How about you name a SINGLE "conspiracy theory" that has been PROVEN UNTRUE. This I'm serious about. If you cant, then I'll just assume every one of them is true. If you can I'll stop believing what I believe and how I feel personally about world issues. Doesn't THAT type of thinking sound stupid?
The worlds "issues", like Jojo's "issue" are not all black and white. IMO its FULL of grey area. The truth is, or I should say MY THEORY is, is that there are people in power, and their "followers", both on this planet and on this message board, that SEEM to have a vested interest in keeping this grey area hidden and/or "control" what people believe as "fact" or "history".
I cant help if my personal or hockey related opinions don't resonate with you and you take issue with them. I also cant help if I have a sense of humor that MANY not ALL on here seem to lack. If THAT is trolling, then bite away at that 3 hooked crawler harness son!! I never claim to be the only 1 who thinks a certain way. I DO claim that some things I'm VERY VOCAL about, are not popular opinions(at the beginning
). THIS IS THE REASON I'M SO VOCAL ABOUT THEM. 
Just like my EARLY "anti-Umby agenda" and EARLY "anti-Wiz agenda", early on this year, when Jojo WAS "producing" it was me along with a VERY SMALL number of people who would express our "dissatisfaction" with Jojo's play. That's was met with hordes of pro-Jojo extremists with attacking sarcastic comments about how he was a PPG player and no way was or could be a problem. Then slowly, 1 by 1 more people seemed to take notice of "something". That "something" was mainly that he became unnoticeable on the ice, while others STILL claimed that NOTHING WAS WRONG. Then he was benched. Then he was "tired". Then he was "sick". Then he was sent "home" on the teams road trip. Then the team won some games. Then he had a "life threatening" disease, and anyone who questioned Jojo was a "disgusting person". Then there were "tests" performed. And then it was quiet. The only thing that has changed during the recent Jojo issues are, again, perception NOT reality.
Eh, Idk, I think you're pretty much there haha. I've been out of this thread for well over a week, but have been "following" the "work" you have been doing. The vocal and blind defense of Jojo has slowed immensely in this time, for good reason.
Even if he has a good game or 2 this week, or for the majority of the year, IMO it is not a reason or excuse to just brush off another chapter of the Jojo Saga.
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I would like to believe that there is something wrong with him. I am hoping there is a better explanation than he is out of shape or lazy.
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I presume I get to be the "disagree with me and I'll GO ALLCAPS AND SET YOU ON FIRE" *****.
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Seriously?
Confucius was wrong (except for in the case where there is no cat). I have 3 black cats and there is no time they make themselves more known than in a dark room because that is when they choose to stand right in front of you and make you fall on your ass.
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Per former Avs beat writer Adrian Dater, Colorado is on the verge of dealing Matt Duchene. Anything to build re: Johansen?
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No thanks. Might as well stick with Joey and hope he pulls out of this funk eventually.
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I wouldn't touch it. Duchene reminds me too much of Jordan Staal: a highly-touted kid who erupted onto the scene early and hasn't really progressed much since then.
Inevitably, the internal excuses will be trotted out about how he's been held back for one reason or another, and everything will be fine on my team, and how we'll get the best out of him, but to me the gulf between what it'll cost to get him and what you'll get out of him is immense.
Viqsi
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Pretty much this, except Duchene's a better scorer. If we didn't have Joey then I'd look into it, but otherwise why bother?
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This is kind of how I view people who just can't seem to survive without a whipping boy.
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In my post, I said Johansen and wondered what could the Avs add. Not saying I think it's a good idea, I was just bored with the direction of the thread (save the the stuff about cats). Nothing gets us message boarders mussed up like a good what-if trade discussion.
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Watching Joey in the third tonight, I have to wonder if he has too much muscle on him.
More muscle, more oxygen. He was completely gassed in the third...again
More muscle, more oxygen. He was completely gassed in the third...again
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Yeah, I was sitting 8 rows up from the net and to say Joey was completely gassed would be putting it nicely. He just isn't in good shape, whatsoever.. it's almost sad.
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The thing is, the only thing I think makes sense is if we get a #1D, or at least top-pairing guy, back in the deal. And there's no way in hell Colorado would go along with that - they're in the same boat we are in that regard.
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From edm on the GDT thread:
Sadly I agree. He displays Nash 2.0 tendencies too often to dish out big bucks for lots of years and probably a NTC/NMC. Barring a complete 180 very soon I see him being dealt in the off-season although if the right deal could be struck now why wait?
The question then becomes what is the right deal? We would want the moon, other GM's will say "if he is so terrific why are you trading him?" A top 4 D, a solid prospect and a #1 pick? Dunno.
Sadly I agree. He displays Nash 2.0 tendencies too often to dish out big bucks for lots of years and probably a NTC/NMC. Barring a complete 180 very soon I see him being dealt in the off-season although if the right deal could be struck now why wait?
The question then becomes what is the right deal? We would want the moon, other GM's will say "if he is so terrific why are you trading him?" A top 4 D, a solid prospect and a #1 pick? Dunno.
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Yes, it makes sense to trade your young superstar who goes through a tough period of his career while his value isn't very high and even if it is high you're not going to get the same return that he's worth.
You know who thought this? Peter Chiarelli, or however you spell it, with Seguin in Boston. How'd that work out? Maybe we should stop attacking the KID and his character?
I would stop wanting him to be traded, unless you want us to be like the Boston Bruins, who gave away a young superstar in Seguin for nothing. They won't get over that one for a long time, and neither would we if we traded Johansen.
You know who thought this? Peter Chiarelli, or however you spell it, with Seguin in Boston. How'd that work out? Maybe we should stop attacking the KID and his character?
I would stop wanting him to be traded, unless you want us to be like the Boston Bruins, who gave away a young superstar in Seguin for nothing. They won't get over that one for a long time, and neither would we if we traded Johansen.
If you read my post, rather than jumping into emotionalism, I said the trade would occur at either the deadline or the off-season. By then we will know a lot more about whether Joey is going thorough a "tough period" of whether his performance is more indicative of a long term trend.
And of course, you dodge the tough question. Are you going to give this player an $8-10 million dollar 6-7 year contract with a no movement clause when he hits UFA status in 2 years? That is where "the rubber hits the road". And if you are not going to sign him to the gargantuan contract he will demand, do you trade him for what you can get or just let him walk. That is the real issue: what is Joey's long term future with the team in light of what we know will be extremely high demands once he hits UFA status.
The real issue is not as simple as "see Tyler Seguin".
And of course, you dodge the tough question. Are you going to give this player an $8-10 million dollar 6-7 year contract with a no movement clause when he hits UFA status in 2 years? That is where "the rubber hits the road". And if you are not going to sign him to the gargantuan contract he will demand, do you trade him for what you can get or just let him walk. That is the real issue: what is Joey's long term future with the team in light of what we know will be extremely high demands once he hits UFA status.
The real issue is not as simple as "see Tyler Seguin".
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