In spirit of your usual overreactions you must have missed the post listing possible replacements. It has been mentioned in several different threads
And to frame it as it would could possibly take 12 years again is completely silly
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In spirit of your usual overreactions you must have missed the post listing possible replacements. It has been mentioned in several different threads
And to frame it as it would could possibly take 12 years again is completely silly
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In spirit of your usual overreactions you must have missed the post listing possible replacements. It has been mentioned in several different threads
And to frame it as it would could possibly take 12 years again is completely silly
You sure? Nashville is still looking for their first. Florida has been looking for a while. Montreal too..
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I don't think anyone is denying that Joey is a #1C. Going further down the line, are we willing to pay him the money he thinks he deserves?
Is he the #1C Columbus needs? Or the #1C Columbus deserves?
Is he the #1C Columbus needs? Or the #1C Columbus deserves?
Viqsi
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I haven't seen anything of the sort anywhere and I've been looking.
And to frame it as it would could possibly take 12 years again is completely silly
Based on what? Hope? Random belief? The misapprehension that folks come up with these players all the time even tho there's other franchises* that have never in their existence had a center of Johansen's calibre?
I have this argument with other Preds fans all the time who insist that they've got it bad because they've never had a star forward - never mind the fact that most of their expansion brethren would count themselves lucky to have ONE #1D ever in their history, let alone FOUR. Familiarity really breeds contempt, it seems.
*: Nashville and Minnesota. No, really - Joey's done better than Koivu and Arnott.
You thinking it could take 12+ years is just as much a negative thought as me thinking it won't is a hope.
Everybody has an opinion, this is a message board and not everyone is going to agree. Just because people don't share your opinion doesn't mean they are wrong.... you really need to realize that. Bold all the words you want..
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
Don't give me that bull****. I actually have information to back it up, which has been presented (the track record of other teams in the league in attempting to acquire said players). So far all you've presented is "but Joey sucks and we're LOSING!!!1111one"
No, they're wrong for completely different reasons.
Lol, I don't have the time or energy to further attempt for you to understand. Its a lost cause. Until you take off the blinders and realize your opinion is not always correct, you'll never understand anything.
Viqsi
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Present evidence and I'll reevaluate. Until then, all I'm seeing is "but you're wrong, and you have to accept you're wrong"
See - you still have failed to read this thread entirely. And you continue to fail to see that I'm not saying I'm right or wrong, I'm saying we both have an opinion that obviously differs and that doesn't mean one person is right or wrong. Done explaining this to you..
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It's been a long time since Olli Jokinen was there. I wouldn't call Barkov one yet, he's got the potential though.
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
That's not presenting evidence. That's further browbeating. Present evidence.
I've reviewed every post you've made in this thread so far in the month of November. You have one assertion about him being fatigued in a game (which he has been), and another assertion that he's been floating here and there (which has also been the case). This is evidence that he is not doing well, which is not something I have disputed. Everything else is some variant on "trade him", "get rid of him", and/or "anyone suggesting another course of action is wrong".
I have disputed the opinion that he should be traded, on the basis that #1Cs of any kind - even substandard ones like Joey has been of late - are incredibly difficult to find and you have to be extraordinarily lucky to get any at all. To this, you keep saying "read the thread" and "your opinion is wrong". You have yet to present evidence for your expressed hope that #1Cs are so trivial to pick up that we can get one who's even better in a less-than-a-decade-plus timeframe.
Interesting. Now, what did you say earlier?
Oh. Huh. How about that.
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In a foolish attempt to be rational, try re-reading the thread Viqsi. Very few are saying DUMP JOEY NOW, IMMEDIATELY. (Those caps are for you). Most, however, are saying Joey has been inconsistent and let's see how he does over the rest of this season. If his play does not improve, then his inconsistency is a serious negative factor when it comes to deciding whether to give him the big multiyear contract in two years. Then if the decision is that it is unlikely we will offer that contract to him, if you can trade him in the off-season for something valuable, you do it.
Now, maybe you can focus your wrath upon that idea rather than your emotional screeching that Joey IS A NUMBER ONE CENTER (AGAIN, CAPS FOR YOU).
And by the way, Brandon Dubinsky is currently the team's NUMBER ONE CENTER. He is a pretty good player if you have not noticed. So perhaps the question is whether we can find a Number 2 center behind Dubie. Oh wait, we have Karrlson and Wennberg. Gee, maybe they will emerge over the course of this season as legit Number 2's.
But heck, why try to think the issue through on multiple levels as to where we may stand at the end of this season. IT IS MUCH MORE FUN TO TYPE IN ALL CAPITALS.
Now, maybe you can focus your wrath upon that idea rather than your emotional screeching that Joey IS A NUMBER ONE CENTER (AGAIN, CAPS FOR YOU).
And by the way, Brandon Dubinsky is currently the team's NUMBER ONE CENTER. He is a pretty good player if you have not noticed. So perhaps the question is whether we can find a Number 2 center behind Dubie. Oh wait, we have Karrlson and Wennberg. Gee, maybe they will emerge over the course of this season as legit Number 2's.
But heck, why try to think the issue through on multiple levels as to where we may stand at the end of this season. IT IS MUCH MORE FUN TO TYPE IN ALL CAPITALS.
Actually it is fairly easy to find substandard number one centers like Joey has been this year. The CBJ's history is full of them.
Maybe "Joey" is really "hurt". I hate to sound mean, but if he is hurt, that is at least a legit excuse for his current performance level.
http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?rep...152016&gameType=2&aggregate=0&teamId=29&pos=S
http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/j/johanry01.html
Johansen has 3 first assists all season at even strength. He's not scoring either (obviously). I'm not sure where this notion is coming from that he's making his teammates better. THIS season he has not played like a #1 C. To make a claim otherwise is to ignore what he's done so far on the ice this season. Not saying it won't change or that he should be traded, but he's simply not playing up to expectations. Ditto Foligno.
He also put this on himself with his contract demands and "slap in the face" comments. You want to be compensated like Kane was coming out of RFA? Play like it. You want Stamkos money? Play like it. So part of the frustration is that through the lens of last season's contract negotiations, he appears to think very highly of himself and that he should be paid near the top 10 in the league. Reasonably, you can think he'll start demanding that when negotiations start for his next contract. He's not playing anywhere near that and the season is damn near 20% gone.
http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/j/johanry01.html
Johansen has 3 first assists all season at even strength. He's not scoring either (obviously). I'm not sure where this notion is coming from that he's making his teammates better. THIS season he has not played like a #1 C. To make a claim otherwise is to ignore what he's done so far on the ice this season. Not saying it won't change or that he should be traded, but he's simply not playing up to expectations. Ditto Foligno.
He also put this on himself with his contract demands and "slap in the face" comments. You want to be compensated like Kane was coming out of RFA? Play like it. You want Stamkos money? Play like it. So part of the frustration is that through the lens of last season's contract negotiations, he appears to think very highly of himself and that he should be paid near the top 10 in the league. Reasonably, you can think he'll start demanding that when negotiations start for his next contract. He's not playing anywhere near that and the season is damn near 20% gone.
And for the record, we have in fact drafted TWO Number One centers, Joey and Derrick Brassard who is now pretty much the Number One center for the Rangers, a pretty good team. Now it is true that we traded him for Gaborik, a trade that now looks like a bad one because Jarmo would not pay the salary necessary to keep Gaborik. That could be an important lesson when it comes to evaluating whether to pull the trigger on a trade of Joey if he does not show more consistency this year. But it is not true that Joey is the only Number One center we have ever had in our system.
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If Joey was on another team fans on this page would be willing to trade the entire future to get him but because he is here they want nothing to do with him.
Wait, this sounds familiar...oh yeah I am Joey and my wife is the fans.
Wait, this sounds familiar...oh yeah I am Joey and my wife is the fans.
I am not sure that we would be clamoring for the center from another team who has scored one goal in 15 games.
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CBJWerenski8
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Good for Montreal and Nashville. Florida has been meh. But also Toronto, Edmonton (who thinks they found there's), buffalo (same as Edmonton) who are not in as good of shape.
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You suck long enough you get an Eichel or a McDavid. We keep it up we could get Matthews. Problem
solved.
P.S. I forgot the
in my previous post. 
Viqsi
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Brandon Dubinsky is 29, going on 30 this year. His career high in points for a year (not with this team) is 54 - 17 points below Johansen. He has no 30-goal seasons.
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Centers who have scored 70+ points in CBJ history:
Ryan Johansen (2014-2015
Players who have scored 70+ points in CBJ history:
C Ryan Johansen (2014-2015
LW Rick Nash (2008-2009)
LW Ray Whitney (2002-2003)
Centers who have scored 60+ points in CBJ history:
Ryan Johansen (2013-2014 and 2014-2015, and on pace to do the same this year with 1-9-10 in 14GP)
Antoine Vermette (2009-2010)
Andrew Cassels (2002-2003)
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The #1C for the Rangers is Derek Stepan.
Brassard's career high (not on this team) is 60 points - 11 below Ryan Johansen. He has no 30-goal seasons.
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