Ryan Johansen Saga III

[Jaxs]

I am surprised that a 2x$4 deal couldn't be reached before Joey left town. If his agent is still telling Joey to hold out for $6 a year in a bridge, then shame on Joey for not telling Overhart to get lost.

 

[JKinCLE]

Is it an unwritten rule amongst the players to stay out of each others' contract business? I find it very hard to believe that he isn't damaging the relationship with his teammates.

 

[EDM]

Knowing his competitive nature, I can't believe that Dubie is very happy hearing that RyJo thinks after one good year he is worth as much as Dubie finally got in a life time contract. I am also not sure Dubie appreciates being labelled by none other than Joey himself as a second line center when it was Dubie who had to face off constantly against Sidney Crosby in the playoffs.

 

[WannabeFinn]

Knowing his competitive nature, I can't believe that Dubie is very happy hearing that RyJo thinks after one good year he is worth as much as Dubie finally got in a life time contract. I am also not sure Dubie appreciates being labelled by none other than Joey himself as a second line center when it was Dubie who had to face off constantly against Sidney Crosby in the playoffs.

Dubinsky also held out before, and he shares the same agent as Joey. Would be a bit hypocritical on Dubinsky's behalf to become upset about it.

I still wish Dubinsky would do/say something about it to Joey, though.

 

[NotWendell]

That's not "truly how they feel about him." Not a single source has reported that. If they felt that way about him they wouldn't have offered him 6 and 8 year deals. Porty even reported today they were extremely impressed with his offseason conditioning and how he looked when he came back to Columbus. They may have some questions about him, but they don't think he's a prima donna.

If (there's that word again, make note of it this time!) he's asking for two years, $6 million per as an RFA, clearly he has delusions of grandeur.

 

[JacketsDavid]

Nick Foligno makes $3 million a year. Anisimov makes $3 million a year. They play on the third line. That's how. Those were recent signings too, obviously guys like Calvert are still on their entries. The bridge is fine but I don't blame the kid for being offended when the front office expects him to be the #1 center but get paid less than #1 center (Dubie) and the #2 center and the #3 (arty). A guy like Dubie is certainly more proven and earned his term but expecting Joey to take $3 million per I think is ridiculous, and then trying to invoke public backlash to pressure him into taking it is even worse.

It has everything to do with the CBA.
The CBJ owns his rights for several more years, after that he can sign wherever he wants for as much money as possible.
Until then he can get an offer sheet from another team and if they want to pay him a billion dollars and give up 4 1st round picks then he's in business to likley go wherever he wants.
There is no reason for the CBJ to even consider $12M/2 years. If he had proven to be a franchise player then yes he could get that kind of money in a 4-7 year deal but he's under club control for 2 more years.

 

[CBJRzeznik]

To all those speculating about Joey damaging relationships w teammates and other wise screaming "the sky is falling"...here is a nice summary of recent RFA holdouts and how they were resolved. Despite disparate lengths of holdout, the majority have worked out w the player remaining on the team (lone exception Turris). thus, history suggests they will reach an agreement in due time.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/1...ng-camp-and-how-their-disputes-were-resolved/

 

[Socks]

Dubinsky also held out before, and he shares the same agent as Joey. Would be a bit hypocritical on Dubinsky's behalf to become upset about it.

I still wish Dubinsky would do/say something about it to Joey, though.

Dubi's alternative twitter has been making references. But that's his tongue-in-cheek account, not meant to be taken seriously.

 

[Crede777]

It has everything to do with the CBA.
The CBJ owns his rights for several more years, after that he can sign wherever he wants for as much money as possible.
Until then he can get an offer sheet from another team and if they want to pay him a billion dollars and give up 4 1st round picks then he's in business to likley go wherever he wants.
There is no reason for the CBJ to even consider $12M/2 years. If he had proven to be a franchise player then yes he could get that kind of money in a 4-7 year deal but he's under club control for 2 more years.

This, although I don't like when it gets into the "it's the principle of the matter" situation.

I mean, it really does seem like JD and Jarmo are putting their foot down on the whole "he doesn't HAVE leverage" thing.

 

[EDM]

I do not think Dubie's hold out is comparable tot his Johanson's. And I am sure Dubie does not appreciate the indirect disparagement of him by RyJo.

 

[Fro]

I guess I wasn't clear the first time I said it. I don't think any player is WORTH 8 years and $80 million.

fair enough...you'd pay it, just wouldn't be happy about doing so...i can understand that

 

[Jackets16]

Well, from a business perspective, wouldn't you generate enough money from jersey sales/increased ticket sales/increased TV ratings to make it a worthwhile investment? Not exactly a revenue sinkhole, I'd think

I don't know. I don't work for an NHL team. I doubt it though.

 

[Jackets16]

fair enough...you'd pay it, just wouldn't be happy about doing so...i can understand that

Yes.

 

[Fro]

Yes.

sorry i misunderstood

 

[pwisch]

I think both sides are a little too crazy on their offers. Columbus came in low hoping to meet in the middle around 4-4.25. Overhardt came in a little high hoping to concede down to about 5.5-6. Now here we are. In a perfect world where both sides are willing to compromise, they are still 1-2 mil/yr apart. I don't know who's side to take, but I think more and more fans are agreeing that both sides are wrong.

 

[EDM]

This will be interesting to see how Joey handles sitting around watching Center Ice. Does he root against his teammates and hope that they lose? Obviously if they win without him his negotiating position gets worse. He can't play pick up hockey and risk getting hurt by a puck in his mouth or a twisted knee. So what does he do, besides pout?

I like JD and JK's strategy to just let him sit while the rest of the team gets ready to play.

 

[EDM]

This is one fan who does not agree that "both sides" are wrong. I am 100% BlueJackets, the team.

 

[Jackets16]

sorry i misunderstood

It's all good.

 

[pwisch]

This is one fan who does not agree that "both sides" are wrong. I am 100% BlueJackets, the team.

I am leaning towards the team, but don't you think Johansen deserves a little more than what Foligno and Anisimov are making?

Are the Jackets still a good team if Johansen is not playing? Yes.

Is the Jackets offense immensely better if Johansen IS playing? Without a doubt.

Both sides need to compromise.

 

[pwisch]

A holdout isn't good for anyone. It hurts the player, the team, and the fans.

http://alongtheboards.com/2014/09/blue-jackets-ryan-johansens-contract-talks-get-ugly/

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I am leaning towards the team, but don't you think Johansen deserves a little more than what Foligno and Anisimov are making?

Are the Jackets still a good team if Johansen is not playing? Yes.

Is the Jackets offense immensely better if Johansen IS playing? Without a doubt.

Both sides need to compromise.

Don't try with him. He thinks Johansen is a prima dona and if you disagree with him you're a narcissist

 

[Crede777]

I am leaning towards the team, but don't you think Johansen deserves a little more than what Foligno and Anisimov are making?

Not off his first contract, no. In 2-3 years, that's when he should be getting paid, not now.

 

[EspenK]

Not off his first contract, no. In 2-3 years, that's when he should be getting paid, not now.

I think 63 points are worth more than $3 million a year. Regardless of how many years a guy has played. I don't think 63 points once in the third year of your career is worth $6 million or more in a 2 year deal. Somewhere between those views should be a reasonable compromise for a 2 year deal.

Six or seven years at 6 million would be a gamble on both parties part; the Jackets that he can continue to put up 60 points during that period and Joey that he won't start putting up 80 and could be making a lot more if he waited. But I think something like that should work for both sides in a longer term deal. Jackets will gain a bit if Joey reaches the stardom KO predicts for him;on the other hand if he regresses or gets hurt, he is set for life.

Too big of an ego is a bad thing. Too many of them involved here.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 4m
John Davidson on Prime Time Sports says Johansen request on two-year bridge is "twice as much" as CBJ offer ($3M per).

 

[Cash for Nash]

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 4m
John Davidson on Prime Time Sports says Johansen request on two-year bridge is "twice as much" as CBJ offer ($3M per).

I think the 6 yr 32MM dollar deal is pretty fair.

I think the 2 yr 6MM dollar deal is kinda low. Well real low.

I think the 8 year for 46MM is probably a bit too long for Johansen (understandable). Even if its guaranteed. But fair in value by the management.

Bottom line is he has options. I really think there is a lot of ego involved here where he wants to be paid more than the teams 2nd line Center (Dubinsky) regardless of age and free agency status.