RW/LW Klim Kostin (2017, 31st, STL, traded to EDM)

[Daximus]

The whole CHL/Russia debate started again once someone mentioned that Russian player X should come to the CHL. The same group of posters start the fire + throw fuel on it by using the blanket statement: Only if he wants to ruin his career, (or some variation.) It's funny that there hasn't been one post about Kostin's game since that post.

I'd imagine because he still has 0 points and only 3 shots on goal through 6 VHL games. He needs to be in the MHL where he can put up some points. Though he may be able to ride a good WJC to a high pick.

 

[Atas2000]

The whole CHL/Russia debate started again once someone mentioned that Russian player X should come to the CHL. The same group of posters start the fire + throw fuel on it by using the blanket statement: Only if he wants to ruin his career, (or some variation.) It's funny that there hasn't been one post about Kostin's game since that post.

Staying and leaving is decisive for Kostin's career. We're in a Kostin prospect thread.

 

[kp61c]

he should stay. if he doesn't make it in the khl he will still have an opportunity to try himself in the ahl. and why not?

 

[Daximus]

he should stay. if he doesn't make it in the khl he will still have an opportunity to try himself in the ahl. and why not?

If he gets drafted out of the K and goes to WHL after he still has the opportunity to go play AHL. If he signs with an NHL team it will be up to them on where to send him. If he goes to Kootenay he'll be able to play with Krebs. Krebs on LW, Kostin on RW and a decent Center and they could have a pretty solid top line with Cale Fleury leading the charge on the backend. Or Koot might trade him to a contender for futures. A team like Brandon, Regina, Moose Jaw, PG or Everett could use him on a playoff run if he doesn't stick with AHL or Kootenay depending on their current imports.

 

[wings5]

He might also choose to come over to the WHL after the Super Series after experiencing North America. I wouldn't be that surprised if this happens.

 

[covfefe]

I would be hugely surprised if he ends up in Kootenay during this, or any, season.

Have no insights into him as a player but why would he entertain the prospect of going to one of the worst teams in the CHL, in a very small town in the far interior of BC, as a top player from Russia? Be more likely to see him traded to a contender

 

[Daximus]

I would be hugely surprised if he ends up in Kootenay during this, or any, season.

Have no insights into him as a player but why would he entertain the prospect of going to one of the worst teams in the CHL, in a very small town in the far interior of BC, as a top player from Russia? Be more likely to see him traded to a contender

It all depends on if Kootenay can turn it around. They pick high again in the Import Draft and manage to bring another couple guys over. They have one of the top 2019 picks joining the team next year in Peyton Krebs whose destroying Alberta Midget. They get another top pick in 2017 Bantam Draft.

But it is more likely they use Kostin as a trade chip to help their rebuild. Guaranteed they talked to him before drafting him. They likely either have an idea as to whether he would come play for them or a list of teams he said he may go play for. Teams at the top of the Import draft won't waste picks on someone that is dead set on not coming over. So Kostin is at the very least debating it.

 

[Apotheosis]

Idea's of where he will go this draft? If the Leafs aren't in a place to get Liljegren, I really like the look of Kostin.

 

[Anardil]

Staying and leaving is decisive for Kostin's career. We're in a Kostin prospect thread.

I get that. But my only point is: Is it necessary that you and your Komrades have to respond to every post that mentions if it would be beneficial for Russian prospect X to possibly play in the CHL with,

ONLY IF HE WANTS TO RUIN HIS CAREER?

Don't you get that it adds nothing to the thread?

 

[Ingvar]

I get that. But my only point is: Is it necessary that you and your Komrades have to respond to every post that mentions if it would be beneficial for Russian prospect X to possibly play in the CHL with,

ONLY IF HE WANTS TO RUIN HIS CAREER?

Don't you get that it adds nothing to the thread?

It adds as much as suggesting that playing in the CHL could be beneficial for him. Whether prospect X isn't there or already there, he isn't moving anywhere until the end of the season. Discussing hypothetical benefits of alternative development only leads to the same painful debate.

 

[tigervixxxen]

It adds as much as suggesting that playing in the CHL could be beneficial for him. Whether prospect X isn't there or already there, he isn't moving anywhere until the end of the season. Discussing hypothetical benefits of alternative development only leads to the same painful debate.

Nobody has ever gone to the CHL mid season?

 

[malkinfan]

Nobody has ever gone to the CHL mid season?

Tkachev, Mizyurin did it this year.

Lipanov, Bitsadze, Chebykin, Kostin are all their top U20 guys who stayed around. Alexeyev, Chekovich and Rubinchik all guys who left. Interesting to note the amount of top U18 talent emerging from their program.

 

[Peter25]

His debut, but if he doesn't get more ice time than that he might as well come be the best player on his team in the WHL.

He's getting ice-time in the VHL and gets to practice with KHL players.

 

[Peter25]

You do not think playing less than 3 minutes in a game is an issue for a 17 year old's development? Any hockey player will tell you, game minutes are completely different than training, practice etc. and nothing can prepare you for them except actually playing.

It wasn't an issue with Ovechkin, Malkin, Kuznetsov, Panarin and Tarasenko.

How much ice-time did Nail Yakupov get in the CHL? I bet he got plenty.

 

[Peter25]

Happens all the time in the KHL. Golyshev played 9 minutes a game for a whole season as an 18 yo, Gusev played about 20 games in his 18/19 y/o seasons at 7 minutes a game, Korshkov a season under 7 minutes a game. These guys are now some of the brightest young stars in the KHL and soon the NHL. Slow, steady, skill development, adaption, sponging off savvy pro veterans all part of the process in KHL rather than the impatient NA attitude ie.

Bravo! This, this and this.

And not this ****ing idiocy of moving to Canada at 16 to "get more ice time", "learn the language" or "learn the North American style of game".

Or the most moronic of them all: to get drafted higher in the NHL Entry Draft!

 

[Peter25]

How's is that any different from "Russians are ruined by playing in Canada."

Because it's a fact.

 

[Ingvar]

Nobody has ever gone to the CHL mid season?

Generally top prospects don't do it. The ratio (Russian prospect moves to another country mid season) : (****storms on hfboards started by proposing a better league for development of Russian prospect) is ridiculously close to 0 so one should avoid discussing such moves at all cost

 

[Phry]

Bravo! This, this and this.

And not this ****ing idiocy of moving to Canada at 16 to "get more ice time", "learn the language" or "learn the North American style of game".

Or the most moronic of them all: to get drafted higher in the NHL Entry Draft!

Depends on his values I guess! Getting more ice time seems to be the only legitimate one of those concerns.

He probably doesn't give a rat's a$$ where he's drafted haha.

 

[Daximus]

It wasn't an issue with Ovechkin, Malkin, Kuznetsov, Panarin and Tarasenko.

How much ice-time did Nail Yakupov get in the CHL? I bet he got plenty.

I'd place more blame on Edmonton than the CHL for Yakupov.

 

[tigervixxxen]

Depends on his values I guess! Getting more ice time seems to be the only legitimate one of those concerns.

He probably doesn't give a rat's a$$ where he's drafted haha.

Seriously, who doesn't care how high they get drafted? It means money for one thing in how many bonuses they get.

Look, I liked a lot of what I have seen in Kostin. He deserves to show what he's got in whatever league he is in but I want to see him have success now and in his North American career whenever that begins.

 

[Acallabeth]

Seriously, who doesn't care how high they get drafted? It means money for one thing in how many bonuses they get.

This isn't NFL, where you can lose $10M on draft position alone (I guess?). NHL rookie performance bonuses aren't very large; Kostin can compensate them if he just plays one really good season in the KHL. You also earn your bonuses on the ice, not on the draft ceremony, and if he thinks he can achieve the bonuses, he can just negotiate them. High draft position also usually mean you'll play on a trash team. Panarin went to play with Kane on a contending team and cashed on his bonuses without getting drafted at all; how's Nail Yakupov, the 1st OA pick, doing?

Draft position doesn't mean much. Of course, it's cool and prestigious to be a top draft pick, but it shouldn't be any kind of goal for a young player.

 

[Atas2000]

I'd place more blame on Edmonton than the CHL for Yakupov.

He wouldn't be in Edmonton or with Edmonton if he stayed.

 

[Daximus]

Daximus

He wouldn't be in Edmonton or with Edmonton if he stayed.

How do you figure that?

 

[Fantomas]

I'd place more blame on Edmonton than the CHL for Yakupov.

It's hard to say who is to blame, but the first time I realized that Yakupov had problems with his decision making was in his final World Juniors, before he debuted with the Oilers. He put up some meaningless points but was mostly awful, and then he brought his awfulness to the Oilers.

Many Russian players pick up bad habits in the CHL, which has a lot to do with the lack of stability and sense of guidance they feel when they leave home at a young age.

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

He's on the Russian team that faces off against the 3 CHL leagues, the series starts tonight in the WHL. Eager to see him.