RW/LW Klim Kostin (2017, 31st, STL, traded to EDM)

[FrodoBeggins]

In the rankings, he is already at the end of the first round, but missed a month may not be in the second round

 

[Caser]

In the rankings, he is already at the end of the first round, but missed a month may not be in the second round

It all comes down to how he will look at the U18 WJC anyway.

 

[Caser]

Kostin's injured reserve stay have been extended until the end of the season.

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

So the U-18 in late April is the last potential chance to see him before the draft. If he's even healthy by then.

 

[Caser]

So the U-18 in late April is the last potential chance to see him before the draft. If he's even healthy by then.

Judging by that injured reserve extension, he is out of the U18 WJC too, the timeline of the injured reserve is until the mid July now.

 

[DANOZ28]

how serious is his injury? if kostin drops to the wilds 3rd rnd pick i'd be all over it. can the wild's draft luck continue? we dont have a 2nd rndr.

 

[Caser]

how serious is his injury? if kostin drops to the wilds 3rd rnd pick i'd be all over it. can the wild's draft luck continue? we dont have a 2nd rndr.

I guess that's his shoulder, which he injured before the WJAC some time ago. And if the half-year recovery timeline is correct, then he likely had a surgery on that.

 

[93LEAFS]

Well, his stock just crashed if he is indeed out til July. His stock was already very rocky after the start to this year and being outplayed by other Russians at the World Jr A challenge (most notably the year young Svechnikov), I could easily see him cratering into the second round.

 

[Caser]

Well, his stock just crashed if he is indeed out til July. His stock was already very rocky after the start to this year and being outplayed by other Russians at the World Jr A challenge (most notably the year young Svechnikov), I could easily see him cratering into the second round.

Well, at the WJAC he was already playing with injury, so I don't think that's too indicative.

 

[93LEAFS]

Well, at the WJAC he was already playing with injury, so I don't think that's too indicative.

Considering it is one of the few events NA scouts (and therefore scouting directors) could get good views on him it is pretty big. I wouldn't be shocked if he ends up in the second at this point. He's living off of last years u-18 and Hlinka. A lot of teams don't have much in the way of resources allocated to actually scouting in Russia for a variety of reasons.

 

[Dabest]

fall to flyers 2nd pls

 

[kp61c]

abysmal stats this season. 2 points in 19 games, ouch. not a first rounder.

 

[Caser]

abysmal stats this season. 2 points in 19 games, ouch. not a first rounder.

Well, since we don't expect Kostin to play this season anymore, we can look at his stats bit more in detail:


Hlinka: 4g+3A in 5GP // don't think I should comment anything here
KHL: 0 points in 8GP // 4:27 TOI - wonder why he didn't score more with that TOI
VHL: 1G in 9GP // 11:47 TOI, but with 4-th line partners and frequently on the LW, also he played 3 games out of 9 after the WJAC, so he likely wasn't healthy already in those - don't see anything worth the drama in the stats here.
MHL: 1A in 1GP // also nothing surprising here to me.
Can/Rus Series: 1G+1A in 5GP // not impressing stats at all, but then we remember that noone on Russia team scored more than 3 points on that tourney.
WJAC: 1G+2A in 3GP // he barely could play (was out for some time after physical plays), but still he got some points there.

So yeah, I fail to see anything that bad in his stat line.

 

[kp61c]

Well, since we don't expect Kostin to play this season anymore, we can look at his stats bit more in detail:


Hlinka: 4g+3A in 5GP // don't think I should comment anything here
KHL: 0 points in 8GP // 4:27 TOI - wonder why he didn't score more with that TOI
VHL: 1G in 9GP // 11:47 TOI, but with 4-th line partners and frequently on the LW, also he played 3 games out of 9 after the WJAC, so he likely wasn't healthy already in those - don't see anything worth the drama in the stats here.
MHL: 1A in 1GP // also nothing surprising here to me.
Can/Rus Series: 1G+1A in 5GP // not impressing stats at all, but then we remember that noone on Russia team scored more than 3 points on that tourney.
WJAC: 1G+2A in 3GP // he barely could play (was out for some time after physical plays), but still he got some points there.

So yeah, I fail to see anything that bad in his stat line.

well, if you put it this way... not so bad indeed. still, i would not waste a first round pick on him.

 

[Daximus]

Well, since we don't expect Kostin to play this season anymore, we can look at his stats bit more in detail:


Hlinka: 4g+3A in 5GP // don't think I should comment anything here
KHL: 0 points in 8GP // 4:27 TOI - wonder why he didn't score more with that TOI
VHL: 1G in 9GP // 11:47 TOI, but with 4-th line partners and frequently on the LW, also he played 3 games out of 9 after the WJAC, so he likely wasn't healthy already in those - don't see anything worth the drama in the stats here.
MHL: 1A in 1GP // also nothing surprising here to me.
Can/Rus Series: 1G+1A in 5GP // not impressing stats at all, but then we remember that noone on Russia team scored more than 3 points on that tourney.
WJAC: 1G+2A in 3GP // he barely could play (was out for some time after physical plays), but still he got some points there.

So yeah, I fail to see anything that bad in his stat line.

All I see is a bunch of excuses as to why he's not scoring.

 

[BigRangy]

He's big, he can skate, he can make plays, and he leads. This draft isn't good enough for him to not go in the 1st.

 

[Caser]

well, if you put it this way... not so bad indeed. still, i would not waste a first round pick on him.

All I see is a bunch of excuses as to why he's not scoring.

I'm not trying to put it in any way or make some excuses, I just want to encourage watching the games itself more than the stats. I mean, if you see that some stat is bad, most logical thing is to find out why it is that way and it is hard to do that without watching the games itself.

 

[93LEAFS]

I'm not trying to put it in any way or make some excuses, I just want to encourage watching the games itself more than the stats. I mean, if you see that some stat is bad, most logical thing is to find out why it is that way and it is hard to do that without watching the games itself.

He hasn't wowed me when I've watched him on TV. He has some impressive skills but seems to have flaws. In the end though, the best evaluation has to be done in person, given that this is an english language form, and where he has primarily played this year, I doubt many have had that opportunity. I have not seen him live but I have talked to people who have, and the JR a challenge and disappointing Canada/Russia series hurt his stock.

 

[Daximus]

I'm not trying to put it in any way or make some excuses, I just want to encourage watching the games itself more than the stats. I mean, if you see that some stat is bad, most logical thing is to find out why it is that way and it is hard to do that without watching the games itself.

I did think he played well at the Hlinka but since then I've seen nothing that would sway me to put him above Popugayev at this point, let alone in the first round. I've watched him in one KHL game and the C/R Series since then and haven't been impressed.

Edit: Like 93 said above you have to see him live but he has not wowed me on screen viewings at all.

 

[Caser]

He hasn't wowed me when I've watched him on TV. He has some impressive skills but seems to have flaws. In the end though, the best evaluation has to be done in person, given that this is an english language form, and where he has primarily played this year, I doubt many have had that opportunity. I have not seen him live but I have talked to people who have, and the JR a challenge and disappointing Canada/Russia series hurt his stock.

The bolded part is definitely something that I agree with.

By the was, is his CAN/RUS series performance really considered dissapointing? Just I personally have seen more or less the same Kostin there, which I had previously seen at the Hlinka's. Or was he expected kind of to dominate the series?

 

[kp61c]

I'm not trying to put it in any way or make some excuses, I just want to encourage watching the games itself more than the stats. I mean, if you see that some stat is bad, most logical thing is to find out why it is that way and it is hard to do that without watching the games itself.

well, i've watched somewhere around 5 games with him and was left unimpressed. one good play was always followed by a barrage of bad decisions. he has a too high potential for busting for a first rounder for me.

 

[93LEAFS]

The bolded part is definitely something that I agree with.

By the was, is his CAN/RUS series performance really considered dissapointing? Just I personally have seen more or less the same Kostin there, which I had previously seen at the Hlinka's. Or was he expected kind of to dominate the series?

I'd say to most. Many expected him to have the showing of a top 10 pick, and I think you got a guy you see in the 15 to 30 range. I think the fact he didn't excel there, then didn't look good for whatever reasons really put a dent in his stock. The issue with Russian based player is there exposure is so limited due to how hard it is for NHL teams to cover significant ground in Russia and reluctance to rely on tape. That makes these iihf events and series important to their draft stock. Maybe someone gets a sleeper out of it, but when you are making a bet on a first rounder you really want as much info as possible.

 

[Caser]

well, i've watched somewhere around 5 games with him and was left unimpressed. one good play was always followed by a barrage of bad decisions. he has a too high potential for busting for a first rounder for me.

I have an opposite opinion on his decision making, although I think we just might have different definitions here. I like how he makes decisions when the attack is developing, although sometimes he just looks to be mesmerized while carrying the puck, which will lead to a turnover.

I'd say to most. Many expected him to have the showing of a top 10 pick, and I think you got a guy you see in the 15 to 30 range. I think the fact he didn't excel there, then didn't look good for whatever reasons really put a dent in his stock. The issue with Russian based player is there exposure is so limited due to how hard it is for NHL teams to cover significant ground in Russia and reluctance to rely on tape. That makes these iihf events and series important to their draft stock. Maybe someone gets a sleeper out of it, but when you are making a bet on a first rounder you really want as much info as possible.

I just don't think Kostin is that type of player, for me he is kind of an overall upgraded version of Yegor Korshkov and it is hard to imagine him beeing dominant while being independent on his linemates.

 

[tigervixxxen]

Really wonder how he would have done if he had just played in the WHL.

 

[JJTT]