Johnny GODreau
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Decent logic Lifeline. However Burmistrov's probably worth a 3rd round pick at the most.
Would you trade 15th overall for 17th and a 3rd?
Would you trade 15th overall for 17th and a 3rd?
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Thats fair, but I think it comes down to whether or not you think the jets will get a better offer. I feel as though yes we could get him cheaper and throw our hats in with everyone else but it doesn't guarantee us Burmistrov. If we could get him for a 4th or a pick around there I would be 100% down for that but I don't see a difference within the 14-18 range in regards to the quality of the prospects that you would expect to see available unless of course someone falls which is my hope for the Flames of course.
I went to a few Jets games in that past when Burmistrov still played for them and I did see some flashes of brilliance. The only thing that scares me is his attitude. It seems to me that the Flames are building a very locker room conscience team and I support that, I think that is a very good foundation to build a team. So if the team were allowed to speak to him and judge his current character and they deemed it satisfactory then I would says yes move the two picks down. I believe it would be worth it. We aren't technically losing a pick as opposed to trading away a 3rd or a 4th we would be moving within similar range of what we already had. I really only see the trade happening if the jets have a special attraction towards one of Connor, Merkley, Konecny, White, or Shechnikov. I think if he tops out at top 9 forward we won the trade.
Not to mention historically the 05-11 drafts give a similar type of player during the availability that the Flames have in the upcoming draft, if you ignore the 3 or so stars that were picked at around that mark (E. Karlsson, K. Shattenkirk, V. Tarasenko).
- Oct 12, 2012
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Why do we want a guy that is not an upgrade on anything we have? I mean seriously, it makes zero sense for us.
I don't care if it only costs us 2 spots in the draft, even if you ignore the obvious character flaws the guy brings nothing we don't currently have. We need to add guys that play a "heavy" game, we need to add a sniper, we need size down the middle, we need a power forward, we need a top 6 RW. He addresses none of those issues.
- Burmistrov is clearly a me first type player and not a team first type player. This goes against what we are trying to build.
- Burmistrov is a LH shooting center that sucks on faceoffs and is not overly physical.
- At 6'1, 180 Burmistrov doesn't add any size down the middle.
- In each of his last 2 seasons he was 3rd and 4th among Jets forwards in giveaways.
- Burmistrov plays a perimeter game and doesn't go to the dirty areas.
I don't care if it only costs us 2 spots in the draft, even if you ignore the obvious character flaws the guy brings nothing we don't currently have. We need to add guys that play a "heavy" game, we need to add a sniper, we need size down the middle, we need a power forward, we need a top 6 RW. He addresses none of those issues.
- Oct 12, 2012
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working a midnight shift so how about a 100TG special?
Re-Sign
● Ken Agostino [1 year - $650,000]
● Bill Arnold [1 year - $650,000]
● Mikael Backlund [3 years - $7,500,000]
● Lance Bouma [3 years - $7,500,000]
● Turner Elson [1 year - $650,000]
● Micheal Ferland [1 year - $750,000]
● Ben Hanowski [1 year - $650,000]
● Josh Jooris [2 years - $900,000]
● John Ramage [1 year - $650,000]
● Max Reinhart [1 year - $650,000]
● Drew Shore [1 year - $750,000]
● David Wolf [1 year - $650,000]
● Bryce Van Brabant [1 year - $650,000]
Sign to ELC
● Hunter Smith [3 years - $925,000]
Sign UFAs
● Scott Clemmensen [1 year - $700,000]
● Christian Ehrhoff [1 year - $3,500,000 + $1,500,000 Performance Bonuses]
● Mathieu Tousignant [AHL Contract]
● Ryan Wilson [1 year - $750,000 + $1,250,000 Performance Bonuses]
● Minor League UFA [AHL Contract]
● Minor League UFA [AHL Contract]
● Minor League UFA [AHL Contract]
Trades
to Calgary Flames | to Los Angeles Kings
● Mike Richards [C - $5,750,000 - UFA 2020] | ● Mason Raymond [LW - $3,150,000 - UFA 2017]
● Justin Auger [RW - $616,667 - RFA 2017] |
● 2015 Draft Pick [1st Round - Kings Pick - 13th Overall] | [/table]
to Calgary Flames | to Carolina Hurricanes
● Cam Ward [G - $6,300,000 - UFA 2016] | ● Jonas Hiller [G - $4,000,000 - UFA 2016]
● 2015 Draft Pick [2nd Round - Hurricanes Pick - 35 Overall] | ● 2015 Draft Pick [2nd Round - Flames Pick - 45 Overall]
● 2015 Draft Pick [4th Round - Hurricanes Pick - 96 Overall] | [/table]
to Calgary Flames | to Boston Bruins
● Marc Savard [C - $4,027,143 - UFA 2017] | ● 2015 Draft Pick [5th Round - Flames Pick - 136 Overall]
● 2015 Draft Pick [2nd Round - Flyers Pick - 37 Overall] | [/table]
Draft
● [Round 1 - Pick 13 - 13th Overall] RW - Mikko Rantanen
● [Round 1 - Pick 15 - 15th Overall] LD - Jakub Zboril
● [Round 2 - Pick 5 - 35th Overall] RW - Daniel Sprong
● [Round 2 - Pick 7 - 37th Overall] RD - Noah Juulsen
● [Round 2 - Pick 22 - 52nd Overall] RD - Matthew Spencer
● [Round 2 - Pick 23 - 53rd Overall] LD - Ryan Pilon
● [Round 3 - Pick 15 - 76th Overall] C - Nicolas Roy
● [Round 3 - Pick 22 - 83rd Overall] LD - Parker Wothersoon
● [Round 4 - Pick 5 - 96th Overall] RD - Adam Parsells
● [Round 6 - Pick 15 - 166th Overall] LW - Luke Stevens
● [Round 7 - Pick 15 - 196th Overall] C - Rhett Gardner
Roster - Calgary
Johnny Gaudreau $925,000 ● Sean Monahan $925,000 ● Jiri Hudler $4,000,000
Sam Bennett $925,000 ● Mikael Backlund $2,500,000 ● Joe Colborne $1,275,000
Lance Bouma $2,500,000 ● Matt Stajan $3,125,000 ● David Jones $4,000,000
Micheal Ferland $750,000 ● Mike Richards $5,750,000 ● Josh Jooris $900,000
Brandon Bollig $1,250,000 ● Drew Shore $750,000
Mark Giordano $4,020,000 ● T.J Brodie $4,650,000
Kris Russell $2,600,000 ● Dennis Wideman $5,250,000
Christian Ehrhoff $5,000,000 ● Deryk Engelland $2,916,667
Ryan Wilson $2,000,000
Cam Ward $6,300,000 ● Joni Ortio $600,000
LTIR
Marc Savard $4,027,143
Ladislav Smid $3,500,000
Roster - Stockton
Ken Agostino $650,000 ● Max Reinhart $650,000 ● Garnet Hathaway $690,000
Morgan Klimchuk $863,333 ● Markus Granlund $767,500 ● Emile Poirier $863,333
David Wolf $650,000 ● Bill Arnold $650,000 ● Justin Auger $616,667
Ben Hanowski $650,000 ● Turner Elson $650,000 ● Hunter Smith $925,000
Bryce Van Brabant $650,000 ● Mathieu Tousignant AHL Deal ● Austin Carroll $925,000
AHL Free Agent AHL Deal ● AHL Free Agent AHL Deal ● Louick Marcotte AHL Deal
Tyler Wotherspoon $925,000 ● Kenney Morrison $925,000
Ryan Culkin $656,666 ● Jakub Nakladal $817,500
Keegan Kanzig $630,833 ● John Ramage $650,000
Patrick Sieloff $894,166 ● Brett Kulak $656,666
Jon Gillies $925,000 ● Scott Clemmensen $700,000 ● AHL Free Agent AHL Deal
Re-Sign
● Ken Agostino [1 year - $650,000]
● Bill Arnold [1 year - $650,000]
● Mikael Backlund [3 years - $7,500,000]
● Lance Bouma [3 years - $7,500,000]
● Turner Elson [1 year - $650,000]
● Micheal Ferland [1 year - $750,000]
● Ben Hanowski [1 year - $650,000]
● Josh Jooris [2 years - $900,000]
● John Ramage [1 year - $650,000]
● Max Reinhart [1 year - $650,000]
● Drew Shore [1 year - $750,000]
● David Wolf [1 year - $650,000]
● Bryce Van Brabant [1 year - $650,000]
Sign to ELC
● Hunter Smith [3 years - $925,000]
Sign UFAs
● Scott Clemmensen [1 year - $700,000]
● Christian Ehrhoff [1 year - $3,500,000 + $1,500,000 Performance Bonuses]
● Mathieu Tousignant [AHL Contract]
● Ryan Wilson [1 year - $750,000 + $1,250,000 Performance Bonuses]
● Minor League UFA [AHL Contract]
● Minor League UFA [AHL Contract]
● Minor League UFA [AHL Contract]
Trades
to Calgary Flames | to Los Angeles Kings
● Mike Richards [C - $5,750,000 - UFA 2020] | ● Mason Raymond [LW - $3,150,000 - UFA 2017]
● Justin Auger [RW - $616,667 - RFA 2017] |
● 2015 Draft Pick [1st Round - Kings Pick - 13th Overall] | [/table]
to Calgary Flames | to Carolina Hurricanes
● Cam Ward [G - $6,300,000 - UFA 2016] | ● Jonas Hiller [G - $4,000,000 - UFA 2016]
● 2015 Draft Pick [2nd Round - Hurricanes Pick - 35 Overall] | ● 2015 Draft Pick [2nd Round - Flames Pick - 45 Overall]
● 2015 Draft Pick [4th Round - Hurricanes Pick - 96 Overall] | [/table]
to Calgary Flames | to Boston Bruins
● Marc Savard [C - $4,027,143 - UFA 2017] | ● 2015 Draft Pick [5th Round - Flames Pick - 136 Overall]
● 2015 Draft Pick [2nd Round - Flyers Pick - 37 Overall] | [/table]
Draft
● [Round 1 - Pick 13 - 13th Overall] RW - Mikko Rantanen
● [Round 1 - Pick 15 - 15th Overall] LD - Jakub Zboril
● [Round 2 - Pick 5 - 35th Overall] RW - Daniel Sprong
● [Round 2 - Pick 7 - 37th Overall] RD - Noah Juulsen
● [Round 2 - Pick 22 - 52nd Overall] RD - Matthew Spencer
● [Round 2 - Pick 23 - 53rd Overall] LD - Ryan Pilon
● [Round 3 - Pick 15 - 76th Overall] C - Nicolas Roy
● [Round 3 - Pick 22 - 83rd Overall] LD - Parker Wothersoon
● [Round 4 - Pick 5 - 96th Overall] RD - Adam Parsells
● [Round 6 - Pick 15 - 166th Overall] LW - Luke Stevens
● [Round 7 - Pick 15 - 196th Overall] C - Rhett Gardner
Roster - Calgary
Johnny Gaudreau $925,000 ● Sean Monahan $925,000 ● Jiri Hudler $4,000,000
Sam Bennett $925,000 ● Mikael Backlund $2,500,000 ● Joe Colborne $1,275,000
Lance Bouma $2,500,000 ● Matt Stajan $3,125,000 ● David Jones $4,000,000
Micheal Ferland $750,000 ● Mike Richards $5,750,000 ● Josh Jooris $900,000
Brandon Bollig $1,250,000 ● Drew Shore $750,000
Mark Giordano $4,020,000 ● T.J Brodie $4,650,000
Kris Russell $2,600,000 ● Dennis Wideman $5,250,000
Christian Ehrhoff $5,000,000 ● Deryk Engelland $2,916,667
Ryan Wilson $2,000,000
Cam Ward $6,300,000 ● Joni Ortio $600,000
LTIR
Marc Savard $4,027,143
Ladislav Smid $3,500,000
Roster - Stockton
Ken Agostino $650,000 ● Max Reinhart $650,000 ● Garnet Hathaway $690,000
Morgan Klimchuk $863,333 ● Markus Granlund $767,500 ● Emile Poirier $863,333
David Wolf $650,000 ● Bill Arnold $650,000 ● Justin Auger $616,667
Ben Hanowski $650,000 ● Turner Elson $650,000 ● Hunter Smith $925,000
Bryce Van Brabant $650,000 ● Mathieu Tousignant AHL Deal ● Austin Carroll $925,000
AHL Free Agent AHL Deal ● AHL Free Agent AHL Deal ● Louick Marcotte AHL Deal
Tyler Wotherspoon $925,000 ● Kenney Morrison $925,000
Ryan Culkin $656,666 ● Jakub Nakladal $817,500
Keegan Kanzig $630,833 ● John Ramage $650,000
Patrick Sieloff $894,166 ● Brett Kulak $656,666
Jon Gillies $925,000 ● Scott Clemmensen $700,000 ● AHL Free Agent AHL Deal
Performance bonuses only available on ELC and players 35 and older.
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they are also eligible on 1 year contracts if the player spent 100 day on IR in the past season.
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Zirakzigil
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There is zero reason for the Bruins to move Marc Savard at the cost of a 2nd rounder. They will just keep him buried on LTIR. I also am not sure that the Kings will give up this years 1st to move Richards when they dont have next years 1st. Id much rather see the Flames try and move Raymond, 15th and possibly a 2nd for the Jackets 8th and Clarkson if the Flames are picking up a contract.
CraigsList
RIP #13
I think it's pointless for the Flames to trade up 7 spots to take on a contract like Clarkson's. Would much rather pick up Columbus' 2nd and their 2016 2nd for next year if we are taking on Clarkson's contract.
Either that, or Columbus needs to add their their 2nd with their first so moving up 7 spots isn't as pointless than it should be. Clarkson's contract is bad.
Johnny GODreau
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The often injured Ryan Wilson? I'd rather have Schlemko. Ehrhoff is also a waste on the 3rd pairing.
About the draft Zacha gonneth?
- Oct 12, 2012
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Ehrhoff would have every opportunity to push Russell down and would get PP time.
I prefer Rantanen to Zacha
FlamesFan18
Frank the Tank
As long as we sign Andrej Sekera I am happy with the team we have. Try Raymond out on the RW for one more season and then ponder moving him. If he becomes a cap dump a year from now its more likely we can move him since he only will have a year left. If we actually can use Raymond to acquire a cap dump for a high pick then so be it but I dont see any GM making that trade so I will go with what I think will happen. Personally I think Raymond and Colborne could use one more season to see how they fit, but if they both dont make an improvement this season we need to make a move for a top 6 RW and let Poirier take the 3rd line RW.
Gaudreau - Monahan - Hudler
Bennett - Backlund - Colborne
Bouma - Stajan - Jones
Ferland/Bollig - Jooris - Raymond
Shore
Giordano - Brodie
Russell - Sekera
Schlemko - Wideman
Engelland
Hiller
Ortio
Gaudreau - Monahan - Hudler
Bennett - Backlund - Colborne
Bouma - Stajan - Jones
Ferland/Bollig - Jooris - Raymond
Shore
Giordano - Brodie
Russell - Sekera
Schlemko - Wideman
Engelland
Hiller
Ortio
CraigsList
RIP #13
FF18, as much as I love Sekera and his game, I don't see him signing with us to get 3/4/5th defenseman minutes and probably signed for only 2-3 years (Treliving will not sign a UFAer for longer than 3 years).
If I was Sekera, I would be signing with LA: Get a great city to play for, Most likely get term, #2/3 minutes and potentially being paired with Doughty.
If I was Sekera, I would be signing with LA: Get a great city to play for, Most likely get term, #2/3 minutes and potentially being paired with Doughty.
Not sure I'd bother with Clemmensen. I'd just re-sign Thiessen.
I'd be fine with Ehrhoff, but I doubt he takes a one year deal here.
Don't want Ryan Wilson at all. I'd prefer Schlemko or Diaz.
**** no to Richards. No. Just no. I'm leaning towards no on the Ward/Hiller trade. It looks pretty bad if we go dealing Hiller after how he did for us this year. I'd pass on Savard.
Love the fact that you put Rantanen, Sprong, and Wotherspoon in here. I'd really like to try and get Christian Fischer. I'd also take Ryan Shea if he's still around come round 6. Lastly, I'd like to look at Tim McGauley in the 7th round. Was very impressed with him, I think he could be a late bloomer.
Volica
Papa Shango
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He's going to get himself some serious pay. He's arguably the only top pair (#2/#3) left on the market after the Habs locked Petry up long term.
I don't know if Calgary should be in the market of adding another 5.5+ million dollar contract to the mix on the backend. Although, being honest:
Brodano
Russell - Sekera
That top 4 is pretty stacked, especially when you factor in that Wideman would be playing on the bottom pair too.
FlamesFan18
Frank the Tank
Pay Sekera, dump Wideman at deadline if out or next offseason if in. An additional 1-2 million for a much better defenseman who is a bit younger.
Brodie is locked in very cheap right now, Engelland will be gone in 2years, Russell wont get more than 4.
Brodie is locked in very cheap right now, Engelland will be gone in 2years, Russell wont get more than 4.
InfinityIggy
Zagidulin's Dad
If we are looking at it strictly from an asset management standpoint, there is no better time to move Wideman than this draft given the season he just had. His value will never be higher again.
Johnny GODreau
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CraigsList
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Tons of teams that need a RHD defenseman. Detroit would probably be #1 on the list, they'd definitely pay up a 1st to get Wideman since they draft so well in later rounds.
InfinityIggy
Zagidulin's Dad
Well, the other side of the coin is that all the teams that might be interested in Wideman might not want to make a move to acquire him until they are out of the bidding to sign Sekera.
SickHandsNoShot
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I'm not going to try and critique your draft selections, as in "yeah right that guy won't be there"....But man, if it played out that way, I would be over the MOON!
Johnny GODreau
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Actually, I don't think we do. Brodie is more comfortable on the right side, Wideman is a RHD and so is Engelland. Brodie-Wideman-Engelland down the right side is a pretty decent right side. If anything we need a mobile LHD to play with Engelland, now the question should be do we target someone to play with Engelland, or do we target someone to play with Wideman and have Russell play with Engelland. I would prefer the latter.
FlamesFreak4
Registered User
nothing to do, so ill play along.
Re-Sign
● Ken Agostino [1 year - $650,000]
● Bill Arnold [1 year - $650,000]
● Mikael Backlund [3 years - $8,250,000]
● Lance Bouma [4 years - $10,000,000]
● David Schlemko [1 year - $1,000,000]
● Turner Elson [1 year - $650,000]
● Micheal Ferland [1 year - $750,000]
● Ben Hanowski [1 year - $650,000]
● Josh Jooris [2 years - $925,000]
● John Ramage [1 year - $650,000]
● Max Reinhart [1 year - $650,000]
● Drew Shore [1 year - $750,000]
● David Wolf [1 year - $650,000]
● Bryce Van Brabant [1 year - $650,000]
● Brad Theissen [1 year - $600,000]
Sign to ELC
● Hunter Smith [3 years - $925,000]
Sign UFAs
● Adam McQuaid [3 years - $7,200,000]
Trades
San Jose
- Jonas Hiller
Calgary
- 2015 2nd Round Pick
- Rights to Antti Niemi
*Sign Niemi [2 year - $4,250,000]
Dallas
Mason Raymond
Calgary
2016 3rd Round Pick
Arizona
2015 2nd Round Pick [39th Overall]
2015 3rd Round Pick [76th Overall]
Calgary
2015 2nd Round Pick [32nd Overall]
Draft
● [Round 1 - 15th Overall] D - Jakub Zboril
● [Round 2 - 32nd Overall] D - Jacob Larsson
● [Round 2 - 45th Overall] RW - Christian Fischer
● [Round 2 - 52nd Overall] LW - Graham Knott
● [Round 2 - 53rd Overall] D - Ryan Pilon
● [Round 3 - 83rd Overall] RW - Keegan Kolesar
● [Round 6 - 166th Overall] LW - Luke Stevens
● [Round 7 - 196th Overall] C - Rhett Gardner
Roster - Calgary
Johnny Gaudreau $925,000 - Sean Monahan $925,000 - Jiri Hudler $4,000,000
Sam Bennett $925,000 - Mikael Backlund $2,750,000 - Joe Colborne $1,275,000
Lance Bouma $2,500,000 - Matt Stajan $3,125,000 - David Jones $4,000,000
Micheal Ferland $750,000 - Markus Granlund $767,500 - Josh Jooris $925,000
Brandon Bollig $1,250,000
Mark Giordano $4,020,000 - TJ Brodie $4,650,000
Kris Russell $2,600,000 - Dennis Wideman $5,250,000
Adam McQuaid $2,800,000 - Deryk Engelland $2,916,667
David Schlemko $1,000,000
Antti Niemi $4,250,000
Joni Ortio $600,000
LTIR
Ladislav Smid $3,500,000
Salary Cap: $71,000,000
Cap Total: $52,204,167
15-16 Cap Space: $18,795,833
Re-Sign
● Ken Agostino [1 year - $650,000]
● Bill Arnold [1 year - $650,000]
● Mikael Backlund [3 years - $8,250,000]
● Lance Bouma [4 years - $10,000,000]
● David Schlemko [1 year - $1,000,000]
● Turner Elson [1 year - $650,000]
● Micheal Ferland [1 year - $750,000]
● Ben Hanowski [1 year - $650,000]
● Josh Jooris [2 years - $925,000]
● John Ramage [1 year - $650,000]
● Max Reinhart [1 year - $650,000]
● Drew Shore [1 year - $750,000]
● David Wolf [1 year - $650,000]
● Bryce Van Brabant [1 year - $650,000]
● Brad Theissen [1 year - $600,000]
Sign to ELC
● Hunter Smith [3 years - $925,000]
Sign UFAs
● Adam McQuaid [3 years - $7,200,000]
Trades
San Jose
- Jonas Hiller
Calgary
- 2015 2nd Round Pick
- Rights to Antti Niemi
*Sign Niemi [2 year - $4,250,000]
Dallas
Mason Raymond
Calgary
2016 3rd Round Pick
Arizona
2015 2nd Round Pick [39th Overall]
2015 3rd Round Pick [76th Overall]
Calgary
2015 2nd Round Pick [32nd Overall]
Draft
● [Round 1 - 15th Overall] D - Jakub Zboril
● [Round 2 - 32nd Overall] D - Jacob Larsson
● [Round 2 - 45th Overall] RW - Christian Fischer
● [Round 2 - 52nd Overall] LW - Graham Knott
● [Round 2 - 53rd Overall] D - Ryan Pilon
● [Round 3 - 83rd Overall] RW - Keegan Kolesar
● [Round 6 - 166th Overall] LW - Luke Stevens
● [Round 7 - 196th Overall] C - Rhett Gardner
Roster - Calgary
Johnny Gaudreau $925,000 - Sean Monahan $925,000 - Jiri Hudler $4,000,000
Sam Bennett $925,000 - Mikael Backlund $2,750,000 - Joe Colborne $1,275,000
Lance Bouma $2,500,000 - Matt Stajan $3,125,000 - David Jones $4,000,000
Micheal Ferland $750,000 - Markus Granlund $767,500 - Josh Jooris $925,000
Brandon Bollig $1,250,000
Mark Giordano $4,020,000 - TJ Brodie $4,650,000
Kris Russell $2,600,000 - Dennis Wideman $5,250,000
Adam McQuaid $2,800,000 - Deryk Engelland $2,916,667
David Schlemko $1,000,000
Antti Niemi $4,250,000
Joni Ortio $600,000
LTIR
Ladislav Smid $3,500,000
Salary Cap: $71,000,000
Cap Total: $52,204,167
15-16 Cap Space: $18,795,833
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