Speculation: Rumour, Trade, and Free Agent Speculation 2018-19 - Part IV

[mondo3]

I think people are overrating Hamilton. He sounds like he’d be an ok second pairing d but nothing more.

 

[Channelcat]

St. Louis has no structure though. And he's insurance for us. If you had some injuries that called Niku into the lineup, he'd be a smart defenseman to pair with him.

I do actually think Bouwmeester has a bit of hockey left, but as far as defensive structure I'm not sure any team has less than us. Thank god for talent.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Heard a good rumor that the Jets might be in on Mark Stone

 

[Whileee]

Heard a good rumor that the Jets might be in on Mark Stone

As a rental, or long term?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

That's still 1 year more than Trouba. Hamilton also Canadian and signed long term with Calgary so it seems he has no problem signing in Canada... we would have a shot at re-signing him. Whether Trouba is better or not is debatable but not too relevant as we are not choosing between Trouba and Hamilton. Trouba is most certainly already gone.

All well and good, but I don't see your package interesting Carolina much unless the prospect you throw in is Vesalainen. Kuli and Myers would be of no interest to them.

 

[Whileee]

Re: Stone...

Consider the Jets shifting Laine to LW, signing Stone as a UFA, and trading Connor and Trouba for a huge haul that includes a top 4 D from Carolina or another team, along with a ton of futures.

An example...

Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler
Laine-Little-Stone
Perreault-Lowry-Appleton
Vesalainen-Copp-Roslovic

Morrissey-Pesce
Kulikov-Buff
Niku-Poolman

Hellebuyck / Brossoit

Would be tight on the salary cap.

Stone would need to sign for a decent long term amount, and so would Laine.

Stone might be a perfect complement for Laine because he plays at a similar speed, but is very good at retrieving pucks, zone exits, etc.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Joe Morrow was a black hole for Montreal and he won a playoff round with us. I think Charlie Huddy would use him right. That's just my opinion though, I can't back it up empirically.

Difference is that Joe Morrow can at least skate.

 

[Neuf]

Heard a good rumor that the Jets might be in on Mark Stone

I can't imagine how that works with current cap and roster, unless it's a trade and pure rental. And even that cost may be extravagant

 

[Whileee]

I can't imagine how that works with current cap and roster, unless it's pure rental. And even that cost may be extravagant

See above. If the Jets move Trouba and Connor for a less expensive RD and futures, it could work if Stone is willing to sign a reasonable 8 year deal... say 8 x $8.5 million.

 

[Neuf]

See above. If the Jets move Trouba and Connor for a less expensive RD and futures, it could work if Stone is willing to sign a reasonable 8 year deal... say 8 x $8.5 million.

Jets could go into next season with 25 million invested into right shot wingers, then. And only one top 6 left wing.

I love Wheeler but if Stone was coming...

 

[Hunter368]

Heard a good rumor that the Jets might be in on Mark Stone

Not sure how we trade for him return wise unless we wait till he’s a ufa then there will be many suitors, plus cap wise it would be tough.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Connor for Hamilton+. Carolina gets what they need: someone with a lick of finishing ability. We get a #1 RHD and make our lives significantly easier for the potential Trouba trade. We also get a bit of cap relief, seeing as Connor won't sign for less than six in any conceivable scenario, and Hamilton is signed for 5.75 AAV. The plus is there due to Connor being younger and under team control for longer.

We have the offensive tools needed even without Connor, and Hamilton creates a metric ****ton of chances by himself.

I think you are more in the right price range. I think the + from Carolina has to be something decent though. Janne Kuokkanen maybe?

I think the fear of Hamilton, or his mother is probably excessive.

 

[Saidin]

Mark Stone one of my favorite players. Watching him and Scheif at the worlds a couple of years ago was a treat to watch.

 

[Multigrain]

Wonder with Mark Stone's concussion history if that will affect what the Senators are willing to offer?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Re: Stone...

Consider the Jets shifting Laine to LW, signing Stone as a UFA, and trading Connor and Trouba for a huge haul that includes a top 4 D from Carolina or another team, along with a ton of futures.

An example...

Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler
Laine-Little-Stone
Perreault-Lowry-Appleton
Vesalainen-Copp-Roslovic

Morrissey-Pesce
Kulikov-Buff
Niku-Poolman

Hellebuyck / Brossoit

Would be tight on the salary cap.

Stone would need to sign for a decent long term amount, and so would Laine.

Stone might be a perfect complement for Laine because he plays at a similar speed, but is very good at retrieving pucks, zone exits, etc.

Interesting.
Stone is gonna get paid in UFA.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

I don't know if it is a rental or not but that they are looking at bringing him in and yes I heard they think he would be a great fit with Laine. I would imagine one of Ehlers/Connor would be included in a deal of that magnitude

 

[Jimmyjets]

Re: Stone...

Consider the Jets shifting Laine to LW, signing Stone as a UFA, and trading Connor and Trouba for a huge haul that includes a top 4 D from Carolina or another team, along with a ton of futures.

An example...

Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler
Laine-Little-Stone
Perreault-Lowry-Appleton
Vesalainen-Copp-Roslovic

Morrissey-Pesce
Kulikov-Buff
Niku-Poolman

Hellebuyck / Brossoit

Would be tight on the salary cap.

Stone would need to sign for a decent long term amount, and so would Laine.

Stone might be a perfect complement for Laine because he plays at a similar speed, but is very good at retrieving pucks, zone exits, etc.

I'm on board, but I think that Perreault probably has to go in the trade for Stone to make the cap work. For the playoff run this year put Connor there for Perreault and then next year I'd go same top 6 but:
Vesa - Lowry - Roslovic
Lemeiux - Copp - Appleton
Petan

In this scenario we trade Connor for Pesce and the Trouba for ___________? I assume to Detroit or Florida for their 2019 1st (which we use to draft Mortiz Seider as a Buff replacement) but I'd also want Hronek or Borgstrom (who would push Poolman to the pressbox or be a future Little replacement) depending on which trade was available.

We'd be set up long term with the cap and could afford to offer Morrissey his mega deal the following season as Kulikov comes off the books and hopefully Samberg is ready for bottom pairing duty (or Stanley).

As an aside I'd hope we go Niku - Buff, Kulikov - Poolman for the D pairs, as Buff broke in Morrissey just fine.

 

[puck stoppa]

That is a nice rumour for the rumour thread, about time we had something juicy to talk about!

 

[DRW204]

would you rather have given Stone a 8.25Mx5-7 year contract this offseason? Or have Wheeler on the books for 8.25Mx5?

 

[Jimmyjets]

I don't know if it is a rental or not but that they are looking at bringing him in and yes I heard they think he would be a great fit with Laine. I would imagine one of Ehlers/Connor would be included in a deal of that magnitude

I wouldn't want to part with either of those guys unless an extension was worked out. Too much risk for my liking. 2019 1st + Perreault + Prospect should get it done. 1st + roster player + prospect is the receipe I'd be trying to follow.

 

[puck stoppa]

I don't know if it is a rental or not but that they are looking at bringing him in and yes I heard they think he would be a great fit with Laine. I would imagine one of Ehlers/Connor would be included in a deal of that magnitude

I would wait till he's UFA and sign him. Keep Ehlers and Connor, you could trade them or Trouba in summer. I get Jets may want Stone for a cup run and go all in but Id wait to sign him as a FA if he wants to be here as that would maximize our assets. But if it's a rental plus sign an extension then it's a big deal Im sure.

 

[buggs]

Conversation between two dudes beside me at Dallas game yesterday:

Dude 1: What do you think about Hellebuyck?
Dude 2: Ah, I'm not sold on him.
Dude 1: Who would you rather see?
Dude 2: Price. I think he'd like to get a cup before he retires.
Dude 1: What would you give up for Price?
Dude 2: Hellebuyck and Laine.

 

[voyageur]

Difference is that Joe Morrow can at least skate.

Have you played hockey Mort? The worst instance I have seen of not being able to skate was Doug Murray. He really couldn't skate. I watched Bowmeester play, and his skating has declined but everyone is repeating this "he can't skate" is just over the top. When you get older you have to rely on positioning more.
But if Benny/Kulikov went down, I'd like to have a player who could use his frame, size, and smarts to play similar, including on the PK. Still think he'd be a good add for the right price (no higher than 3rd). Pure rental. Experience helps other players. Morrow can skate but he doesn't defend as well, certainly a player like Bowmeester with his size would be an asset for the PK.

 

[Board Bard]

I wouldn't want to part with either of those guys unless an extension was worked out. Too much risk for my liking. 2019 1st + Perreault + Prospect should get it done. 1st + roster player + prospect is the receipe I'd be trying to follow.

I agree. In Stone's three best years he scored 26 in 80 GP (14-15), 23 in 75 GP (15-16), and 22 in 71 GP (16-17). Both Ehlers and Connor have bettered any of those years goal-wise, and could very well again this year and for many more. Stone's numbers look better in the last couple of years -- better than a point per game -- but he has also lost significant time to injury in those years. IMO a cost of Ehlers or Connor is too high.

 

[voyageur]

I don't know if it is a rental or not but that they are looking at bringing him in and yes I heard they think he would be a great fit with Laine. I would imagine one of Ehlers/Connor would be included in a deal of that magnitude

The Jets aren't going to sacrifice Ehlers/Connor to get Stone. That's not draft and develop. That's sacrificing development to win. Stone would be great for us. Do we bump Laine off the 1st PP to play him, or play him in front of the net like Connor? It just seems too crazy to me for him to come here. And I don't believe for a second that Laine playing LW for one game is going to be a permanent thing.