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Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Y'all Got Any Good Goalies?
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brentashton
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Do you think after 150 games played that a higher level of consistancy will happen for Skinner? I doubt so.
He is what he is.
Up and down, mediocre. Bernie Parent one game, Rich Parent the next few.
Fine by me, would rather they not use any asset of worth for a pure rental
Were going to need to stop Kuch and Point next game. That will put a little pressure on the speed of our D.
Jumptheshark
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I am having flash backs to something that happened 20 years ago. I think the Canes and Ducks were involved but can not remember the player. The player had a NTC and I think the canes wanted to trade him to the duck he said no as they were on his NTC list. The team waived him, Ducks picks him up and then the teams did another trade with the original players they were going to trade for each other. For the life of me I can not remember the player involved but I think it was the Canes and Ducks.
I bring this up as Trouba is going public in his treatment by the rangers and how the bullied and tried to embarrass him from his perspective. What the Rangers did Trouba is what some posters want the oilers to do with Jeff Skinner and force him to except a trade anywhere by using the same tactics the Rangers used on Trouba. Seems it pissed off a few players and agents
Was Holloway's signing of an offer sheet an attempt to bully Edmonton management into paying him more money?
TheGingaNinja
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The wild have a lot of cap coming off the books with those buyouts finally getting smaller. It's astonishing the competitive teams they keep managing to put together with that handicap. Guerin is a pretty good GM.
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Do you think there's a realistic goaltender available on the trade market that has a high level of consistency? I doubt so.
Mid goalies are what they are. Up and down, mediocre.
Skinner was arguably the better goalie in 3 of 4 playoff rounds last year. That's not nothing.
Of course its frustrating that he's been inconsistent but we've also seen him at a level, in a situation, that we haven't seen any currently available goalies perform at yet. We trade for another mid goalie now and we're only hoping they might be able to do what Skinner did last year.
Your argument here is Skinner is inconsistent, lets not try a mid level goalie because they might be inconsistent too.
Truth is Coaches n management have little faith in Pickard. They dont trust him to take even every third game during the season and almost not at all in the playoffs even if he plays well.
First you strengthen your defense...either find a guy that play great defense in his own zone for the third pair and leave kulak with nurse or find a two way (expensive) top 4 guy.
With the assets we have ....probably a third pair guy and someone like Vladar is most probable.(Alex Lyon will be available shortly)
Both fairly consistent. A stronger D that can pass out of zone and transition it will make the RD stronger and less need for a super athletic guy and the more Skinner will shine too as he isn't an athletic goalie.
Scott Wedgewood 25 saves for Colorado tonight shutting out the Devils. Fairly consistent guy with a team that has a quality defensive pairing in front of him but kinda leaky without at least one pair.
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TheNumber4
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Guerins doing a lot with one hand tied behind his back. Secures and extends a superstar in Kaprivoff. Had good bones of the team from good drafting. And now possibly filled a hole on RHD with a blue chip prospect. Not all OBC members are made equal I guess.
How bad do you want to win a Cup, because if it's in the "aw schucks, getting a goalie sure is hard" type level, to me that indicates an organization that isn't really that serious about getting a Cup.
This team clearly is on another level when they do get good goaltending and I would say almost all of their rough patches are largely due to stretches of shit goaltending.
Since Knoblaugh has come here we can't really complain about poor defensive systems play, the D system supresses high danger chances, you can't even complain about Nurse these days, with Ceci gone, you're finally seeing his game come around now too.
The goaltending is the main thing keeping this team from a Cup IMO. It's not fair to ask Skinner to be a tier of goalie that he's simply not capable of being. He can have good stretches here and there, but it's not going to be a full stop from Skinner, he is what he is and it's dumb to ask for the moon from him.
If we can improve the goaltending and give ourselves a second guy who can carry the mail if/when Skinner falters, IMO the chances of winning it all exponentially increase. It's hard to beat us 4/7 times if the other team isn't gifted 1 or 2 games per series and have to face .910+ for most of the 7 games (if not all of them).
In the first 3 games of the Cup Final, Skinner was
Game 1 - .882
Game 2 - .893
Game 3 - .826
Mediocre. Now we fought back heroically but imagine we didn't keep gifting teams freebies like that.
If we get a .905+ in even one of those three games ... we win the Cup quite likely.
I say enough with the charity. Stop gifting teams freebies, make them beat you honestly, giving any team three straight games of sub .893 goaltending ... how many teams can realistically win a series under those circumstances? It's insane to think that is some how ok.
If you can get even a Cam Talbot, do it and stop f***ing around and wasting everyone's time.
Game 1 - .882
Game 2 - .893
Game 3 - .826
Mediocre. Now we fought back heroically but imagine we didn't keep gifting teams freebies like that.
If we get a .905+ in even one of those three games ... we win the Cup quite likely.
I say enough with the charity. Stop gifting teams freebies, make them beat you honestly, giving any team three straight games of sub .893 goaltending ... how many teams can realistically win a series under those circumstances? It's insane to think that is some how ok.
If you can get even a Cam Talbot, do it and stop f***ing around and wasting everyone's time.
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Skinner is just very inconsistent. He has amazing stretches, but he also has horrendous stretches where he plays like the literal worst goalie in the NHL.
He’s still kinda young and he has a lot of playoff experience now. I wouldn’t want to get rid of him so easily. But if he was the backup to a more seasoned goalie we have a better chance at winning.
Oilers defense is really good this season, even without that coveted 2RD. Maybe they can identify the right goalie, someone with skills that might thrive under Knobs system, but not necessarily elite.
He’s still kinda young and he has a lot of playoff experience now. I wouldn’t want to get rid of him so easily. But if he was the backup to a more seasoned goalie we have a better chance at winning.
Oilers defense is really good this season, even without that coveted 2RD. Maybe they can identify the right goalie, someone with skills that might thrive under Knobs system, but not necessarily elite.
Jumptheshark
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Absolutely. The devil you know theory. Goalies don't instantly adapt to their defencemen or team defensive structure right away, that's why deadline goaltender acquisitions are almost unheard of. We can all look back to the infamous Miller to St. Louis deadline failure. Cup winning goalies have a track record with their teams.
Well that was disproven last playoffs. Pickard saved our season in the second round of the playoffs against Vancouver. What other team has used their backup in that way in such an important situation?
It sounds like defense is managements main priority at the deadline and they've made no secret about it.
We have about as much chance at landing Vladar as we do Andersson as we did Tanev. Flames are a no-go.
It's interesting what you said about Pickard's usage and then go and name Wedgewood, who has been played less, as a target.
Totally hear ya man. Looking forward to hearing your proposal to land Oettinger, Sorokin, Hellebyuck or the like in the fantasy world NHL.
We don't need a Sorokin or someone like that, if we had that we'd have a couple of Cups already.
If we had even a Talbot in the Finals last year, I think we win the Cup.
At the very least I think he would've given the Oilers one game of .905 (maybe .910) or better in games 1, 2, or 3 ... that would flip the series.
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yeah Talbot could be a decent target if the Red Wings are planning to sell. He's a hard one to get a gauge on because he's been lucky enough to have played for great goaltending environments for most of the last several seasons. The ones with weak defense his numbers tank and the teams with good defense they are better.
For instance in LA even Rittich technically had better numbers than Talbot, and Minnesota's system was considered the best in the NHL at the time by Kevin Woodley and Talbots goals saved above expected were still in the negatives despite a respectable SV%.
He's having a great start to the season this year
Burnt Biscuits
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Bobrovsky's sv% against us:
Game 4= 0.688
Game 5= 0.826
Game 6= 0.842
Bobrovsky against BOS:
Game 1= 0.857
Game 3= 0.882
Game 4= 0.889
Bobrovsky against TB:
Game 1= 0.895
Game 3= 0.897
Game 4= 0.813
Bobrovsky 22/23 Playoffs against VGK:
Game 1= 0.879
Game 2= 0.692
Game 5= 0.742
This is last seasons Stanley Cup wining goalie making nearly 4 times what Skinner is.
Also Talbot last season against us in the playoofs:
Game 1= 0.864
Game 2= 0.871
Game 3= 0.850
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Can’t believe people want Talbot. And Vladar? These guys are no improvement on Skinner at all.
Pucklington
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They were talking about it on DFO in interview with Burke. The reason NMC came into existence. I wouldn't have remembered if not for randomly hearing about it again.
Burnt Biscuits
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I'll toss in a bonus one for you, you've probably had close to 500 posts saying how we needed to trade for either Hellebuyck or a goalie of that level and I absolutely think he is one of the best goalies in the league and one of the few goalies who deserves their big payday.
Never the less here are Hellebuyck's last 9 playoff starts (in order):
vs VGK (2023 playoffs):
Game 2= 0.872
Game 3= 0.896
Game 4= 0.897
Game 5= 0.840
vs COL (2024 playoffs):
Game 1= 0.870
Game 2= 0.871
Game 3= 0.872
Game 4= 0.867
Game 5= 0.839
There you go last years Vezina winner and I think he has a strong argument to being a top 3 goalie in the league, yet $8.5M and 9 consecutive playoff starts that don't meet or exceed your 0.905+ bar.
So we have 3 groups here.
1) Lets find a bona fide starter (hard to do especially inseason early)
2) Lets stick with the status quo and see what happens as the team improves
3) Lets replace Pickard with someone that can be a 1b and get more than 40 percent of the starts.
Lets spend the assets we have improving the defense now; at the very least a true quality defensive defenseman right now (not hugely expensive) and see what happens over the next 20 games. If our goalies dont show marked improvement 20 games later then there will be more than enough time and more teams to get a 1B type guy. That sort of fills 2 of the above things.
If you wait till the deadline this option is kinda gone. I know both Stecher and Emberson have their following here but both have their shortcomings as well. These next 4 games are going to be trial by fire. We should have a better feel for our backend shortly.
Why haven't we waived Dermott yet?
1) Lets find a bona fide starter (hard to do especially inseason early)
2) Lets stick with the status quo and see what happens as the team improves
3) Lets replace Pickard with someone that can be a 1b and get more than 40 percent of the starts.
Lets spend the assets we have improving the defense now; at the very least a true quality defensive defenseman right now (not hugely expensive) and see what happens over the next 20 games. If our goalies dont show marked improvement 20 games later then there will be more than enough time and more teams to get a 1B type guy. That sort of fills 2 of the above things.
If you wait till the deadline this option is kinda gone. I know both Stecher and Emberson have their following here but both have their shortcomings as well. These next 4 games are going to be trial by fire. We should have a better feel for our backend shortly.
Why haven't we waived Dermott yet?
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Bryanbryoil
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I'd go after Blackwood personally. He's young enough that he could get better and he's over 0.900sv% on a tire fire Sharks team.
