Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Y'all Got Any Good Goalies?

[MessierII]

Lol. No he blows. But taking a high risk high reward play on Jiricek….. now that is a move I would have considered.

I don’t think we’re in a position to give up that many picks for a guy who hasn’t even played in the nhl yet.

 

[Mr Positive]

I'm guessing getting an RD has to wait until the deadline. There's a lot of options but waiting has benefits, and in the mean time it looks like having a rotation in the #4 spot is working out fine for the regular season marathon. I don't see it working in the playoffs

I was against Fowler but maybe we should see how this plays out with Trouba there. He has declined but he was a good top pair guy. Maybe he can be a good 2nd pair guy now. The Duck fans say his skating is still good. That's the most important factor imo.

Carrier remains a top target. RD who is still young. But maybe he's just not for sale. If he's not for sale, maybe it just takes some extra negotiation time, like Ekholm was

 

[Scrapin Ice]

I'm guessing getting an RD has to wait until the deadline. There's a lot of options but waiting has benefits, and in the mean time it looks like having a rotation in the #4 spot is working out fine for the regular season marathon. I don't see it working in the playoffs

I was against Fowler but maybe we should see how this plays out with Trouba there. He has declined but he was a good top pair guy. Maybe he can be a good 2nd pair guy now. The Duck fans say his skating is still good. That's the most important factor imo.

Carrier remains a top target. RD who is still young. But maybe he's just not for sale. If he's not for sale, maybe it just takes some extra negotiation time, like Ekholm was

Perhaps the urgency to chase a quality RD will increase after the next 4 games.

 

[Mr Positive]

Perhaps the urgency to chase a quality RD will increase after the next 4 games.

Only if we start losing again. I do think it's better to wait

I suppose there is an exception in case the other team just wants to make the trade right now. If it is Fowler then I say just don't. I like him but not enough to give up on going after more ideal options like Carrier or Andersson

 

[McTonyBrar]

This guy just an idiot? When did Larkin request a trade?

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

This guy just an idiot? When did Larkin request a trade?

I think he’s just an idiot.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

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[Scrapin Ice]

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We play #'s 2, 5, 6 and 27 in the next 4 games. #27 has beat us already as has #2.
The next 4 games will give us a real indication of where we are and quite possibly define our defensive need(s).

 

[Soundwave]

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In general Goals Against Per Game, we're up to 11th best in the league now above Carolina, basically we are top 5-6 in the league outside of those first two games of the season where the team was drunk and hung over.

Imagine if we had actual better goaltending.

Knob's system defensively does work, I'll give him that (his offensive adjustments leave something to be desired though).

Also yikes at Colorado (second worst in the league). Now I know a lot of that is assy goaltending, but I think their D is not what it used to be either.

 

[McFlash97]

Very few teams play no defense in front of their goalie the way the Ducks do. In Feb 2023 alone Gibson faced 50+ shots against *three* times in one month alone, lol. That should happen maybe once every 7 or 8 years, that is ridiculous.

I guess they are a bit better this year but they were predictably a train wreck under Eakins.

It doesn't really matter because the central point remains ... having good goaltending makes the Oilers very difficult to beat and in terms of bottom line losses becoming wins, IMO nothing impacts that more than getting another goalie who can give you good stretches of play and act as insurance for when Skinner has his inevitable down stretches.

Talbot, Vejmelka, Gibson, maybe a Blackwood can all fit into that category and at least a few of these guys are acquirable.

A Cam Fowler or someone like that honestly is not going to make as big of a difference. I'm not saying don't get some D depth, I just don't think it has to be some big ticket move there. The D is solid already due to systems play.

Honestly, Fabbro was right there and would have fit to a tee what we needed, this front office needs to be more in touch with other GMs for opportunities like that.

Rather they go get Provorov, or a workhorse from the KHL instead of another washed up has been from a losing organization.

 

[Soundwave]

Rather they go get Provorov, or a workhorse from the KHL instead of another washed up has been from a losing organization.

The bottom line is goaltending makes a bigger difference to this team.

In fact I would say it's becoming more clear that the terrible starts of the last two years are rooted heavily in bad goaltending. If your goaltending doesn't show up until December, that's a bit of a problem as the season starts in October.

We need to add to what we have in net.

When we get good goaltending we are very, very hard for other teams to beat.

For defensive structure, Knob's system pretty much works. Despite the personnel losses they are basically back to playing at the same level defensively as last year (post-Woodcroft). You minus the really bad first two games, and we're basically there.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Rather they go get Provorov, or a workhorse from the KHL instead of another washed up has been from a losing organization.

I keep telling people that NJDs are going to move a RD ( or would) for a 3LW or 3C but no one agrees and are tired of hearing it.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Very few teams play no defense in front of their goalie the way the Ducks do. In Feb 2023 alone Gibson faced 50+ shots against *three* times in one month alone, lol. That should happen maybe once every 7 or 8 years, that is ridiculous.

I guess they are a bit better this year but they were predictably a train wreck under Eakins.

It doesn't really matter because the central point remains ... having good goaltending makes the Oilers very difficult to beat and in terms of bottom line losses becoming wins, IMO nothing impacts that more than getting another goalie who can give you good stretches of play and act as insurance for when Skinner has his inevitable down stretches.

Talbot, Vejmelka, Gibson, maybe a Blackwood can all fit into that category and at least a few of these guys are acquirable.

A Cam Fowler or someone like that honestly is not going to make as big of a difference. I'm not saying don't get some D depth, I just don't think it has to be some big ticket move there. The D is solid already due to systems play.

Honestly, Fabbro was right there and would have fit to a tee what we needed, this front office needs to be more in touch with other GMs for opportunities like that.

It's hard to buy the argument that Gibson's failure to put up decent numbers is on the Ducks when we're in the 6th consecutive season of his own backup outperforming him.

 

[TheNumber4]

I don’t think we’re in a position to give up that many picks for a guy who hasn’t even played in the nhl yet.

You might be if you are convinced he’s a right D stud.

The Wild have to Cup aspirations this year too, plus a Kaprizof extension looming.

 

[TheNumber4]

The issue with Edge is it doesn't track acceleration well.

Stecher is a good example of this. Yes, his top speed isn't super high, but his strong first step and 4-way mobility means he's starting with the lead in a lot of races for the puck. Folwer's similar.
Though Folwer's big issue is like Ceci, he sucks at sensing pressure and urgency. Though how much of that is due to the Ducks putting him in situations he shouldn't be in, à la Petry-era Oilers?


Though if we're looking at ANA defenceman, I think Dumoulin catches my eye a little more.

That makes sense in the acceleration. Although top sped and speed bursts over 20, still paint a picture of how fast the player plays in general. How much activity and skating he’s putting into games in general.

I would say with Fowler it’s hard to say if his issues/reduced production is Anaheim related though, because he’s been able to produce well in that tire fire environment before, but has now fallen off. So there’s a red flag there.

 

[TheNumber4]

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Not good enough. We should be able to out-defend the Kings and Nucks.

 

[MessierII]

You might be if you are convinced he’s a right D stud.

The Wild have to Cup aspirations this year too, plus a Kaprizof extension looming.

if he was a right D stud he would crack Columbus. He might be in the future but we aren’t dealing in 2–4 seasons from now we’re dealing in the right now.

 

[TheNumber4]

if he was a right D stud he would crack Columbus. He might be in the future but we aren’t dealing in 2–4 seasons from now we’re dealing in the right now.

I guess we’ll see, comes down to scouting. There are scouts out there that think Jiricek is an NHL D-man right now or not far from it.

The Wild are currently practicing with him on the 3rd pair.

If a defenceman is good enough it’s not impossible for them to make impacts at age 21. We’ve seen young high draft pick defenceman break into the league at that age. Jiricek with his size and mobility, is a good candidate.

 

[MessierII]

I guess we’ll see, comes down to scouting. There are scouts out there that think Jiricek is an NHL D-man right now or not far from

We can’t just blow all our assets on an “I guess we’ll see”. That’s the problem. If he’s not ready then what? We don’t have the assets to go out and get another.

 

[TheNumber4]

We can’t just blow all our assets on an “I guess we’ll see”. That’s the problem. If he’s not ready then what? We don’t have the assets to go out and get another.

I get it. That’s why I’ve always characterized the move as high risk-high reward. The risk is there of course.

But when you think about how hard it is to acquire a Top 4 RD and how long we’ve been looking, and the always sparse and mediocre options on the market that might not ever push us over the top because the reward is never high enough….

Then you assess the risk that Jiricek actually presents. More often than not a traded 1st rd D prospect ends up covering the bet. We saw with Sandin, Broberg, Byram, Larsson, and many others… it might be worth the gamble.

 

[Old Boys Club]

Sorokin is such a good goalie. Completely wasted on the post-trotz Isles. Hope the Islanders blow it up soon and the Oilers can snag a Dman like Pulock off them. If only Sorokin could fit on the cap as well.

 

[Soundwave]

Sorokin is such a good goalie. Completely wasted on the post-trotz Isles. Hope the Islanders blow it up soon and the Oilers can snag a Dman like Pulock off them. If only Sorokin could fit on the cap as well.

Imagine we had a Sorokin? We'd probably be looking good for a 2nd Cup in a row.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

I agree with your take here. Have you identified a goalie you would bring in or would you not change things?

That would be currently available? None that would be a clear upgrade yet

Hopefully either Skinner gets consistency going by deadline or a darkhorse becomes available

 

[Cloned]

Watching Dumba tonight and he reminds me a lot of Ceci lol. Same skating style too.