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[McTonyBrar]

David Pagnotta says the Anaheim Ducks are not done and the Trouba trade has given them a chance to move out Fowler. He also states that the New York Rangers are not done

 

[McTonyBrar]

Same.

But disappointed it looks like we’re once again going to be Square Pegging into a Round Hole with a LD when we all know we need a natural RD.

Well then I guess we should've gone for Trouba

 

[TheNumber4]

Well then I guess we should've gone for Trouba

Lol. No he blows. But taking a high risk high reward play on Jiricek….. now that is a move I would have considered.

 

[McDoused]

David Pagnotta says the Anaheim Ducks are not done and the Trouba trade has given them a chance to move out Fowler. He also states that the New York Rangers are not done

I don't hate Fowler at 50%. He might be rejuvenated to play here. I don't think I would like the cost though.

IMO, he's too old and too slow to play here. I think Nurse needs to play with someone who is a better skater. I also don't think he plays the right side as well as he does the left side.

Fowler should be like plan C or D.

 

[Cloned]

Same.

But disappointed it looks like we’re once again going to be Square Pegging into a Round Hole with a LD when we all know we need a natural RD.

Probably because RD are gonna cost more.

 

[TheNumber4]

Some Ducks fans thinking they want Fowler to get 13 more games so he hits the 1000 games milestone as a Duck, then he’ll be traded.

But buyer beware on Fowler, the Ducks fanbase wants him gone, as in he sucks and is done and is weak and needs to gone:

Fowler and Gudas might be the worst pairing this team has ever had. I have no idea why Cronin put them back together after that horrendous outing vs VGK and I am even more perplexed why he seemed to play them for what felt like every second shift. As much as Fowler has done for the Ducks, it’s time. There’s no reason why any of the youth should be sitting for Fowler. He’s incredibly lazy, he has the accuracy of a stormtrooper and I’ve yet to see him win a battle this year.





Fowler’s been playing normal mins and looks bad still. And at least trouba brings things to the table that we don’t already have in Mintyukov zellweger lacombe and luneau. Trouba might fit pretty well next to zellweger lacombe or Mintyukov. I’ll reserve judgement on troubas play until I see it…. People here also claimed “you don’t want to see this team if fowler goes down” and it basically looked the same I’d argue better



Was at the game tonight, four rows off the glass. This team has no heart and no balls. We are not "rebuilding". We are broken beyond repair. I didn't see one finished check. Terry tries to do it all by himself. Fowler is DONE. Strome is an orange traffic cone. Heard from the buddy who gave me the tickets (and works for the team) that they want Fowler to reach 1,000 games before they move him. He's 13 games away.



Every time Fowler f***s up. I'm going to take a shot. Wish me luck





Like I said, Fowler's play hasn't been good. At least I'm not Dirk-esque in my 'observations'.





Fowler is losing all the board battles. Dude is just weak



Gudas I don’t understand what’s happening with you man. But you and Fowler both can get fcked



Fowler and Gudas is a train wreck.. this coach is stupid





Fowler just kinda lost the one thing he was good at. Now instead of being an amazing skater he’s closer to average…. And the stuff he could be useful at we have better options for.



The game has passed Fowler by. The things that once made him a solid player, are gone.



Fowler isn’t a question mark, he’s not a verbeek player. He’s small, and he’s already been asked to open up his ntc so we have more teams to trade too. It’s inevitable. As far as verbeek is concerned zell is the only midget he would like on the blue line. Fowler plays a 5’5 mans game.

 

[TheNumber4]

Probably because RD are gonna cost more.

Of course. Rarest position in the League outside maybe 1C.

Makes me think we should have given Larsson an offer he couldn’t say no to. Or made the high risk play on Jiricek.

 

[Cloned]

Of course. Rarest position in the League outside maybe 1C.

Makes me think we should have given Larsson an offer he couldn’t say no to. Or made the high risk play on Jiricek.

Just keeping Kesselring would’ve been nice.

 

[McTonyBrar]

I don't hate Fowler at 50%. He might be rejuvenated to play here. I don't think I would like the cost though.

IMO, he's too old and too slow to play here. I think Nurse needs to play with someone who is a better skater. I also don't think he plays the right side as well as he does the left side.

Fowler should be like plan C or D.

Man I don't think all of us have seen Fowler play at all. He's not too slow. From all accounts, including Seravalli and Stauffer, Fowler is a very gifted skater and still fast. He's not too old. He just turned 33. Wasn't Ekholm 32 when he came to us? Fowler had 39 points last year, 48 the year before. This year, he's had an injury he's recovered from and younger players are taking on bigger roles so his role is less now. He just wants to be motivated again.

Also, from how Nurse has played, we don't need a puck mover who is revolutionary. We need a safe puckmover. Fowler, in a way, entails that

Some Ducks fans thinking they want Fowler to get 13 more games so he hits the 1000 games milestone as a Duck, then he’ll be traded.

But buyer beware on Fowler, the Ducks fanbase wants him gone, as in he sucks and is done and is weak and needs to gone:

Man are you really going to use what posters say on HF as evidence lol? Remember this board 4 weeks ago ripping up Nurse and Bouchard like they are ECHL players?

 

[TheNumber4]

Just keeping Kesselring would’ve been nice.

Agreed, that would have been.

Personally, I think there were signs he wanted out like Marino before him.

 

[TheNumber4]

Man I don't think all of us have seen Fowler play at all. He's not too slow. From all accounts, including Seravalli and Stauffer, Fowler is a very gifted skater and still fast. He's not too old. He just turned 33. Wasn't Ekholm 32 when he came to us? Fowler had 39 points last year, 48 the year before. This year, he's had an injury he's recovered from and younger players are taking on bigger roles so his role is less now. He just wants to be motivated again.

Also, from how Nurse has played, we don't need a puck mover who is revolutionary. We need a safe puckmover. Fowler, in a way, entails that


Man are you really going to use what posters say on HF as evidence lol? Remember this board 4 weeks ago ripping up Nurse and Bouchard like they are ECHL players?

There's some value to it. You have to keep in mind these HF diehards are watching every game for their home team. Not even "professional" analysts on TSN and SN are doing that, most of the time just talking out their ass on players which we see all the time when they give opinions on Oilers related things.

I remember doing the same exercise for Kulak when we got him. And there was mixed opinions from the Habs fanbase for sure, but still lots of positive things were said about Kulak that came to fruition. With Ekholm you'd hear nothing but good things from the Preds fanbase. If you have 30 people saying the same thing, I'd say you better give it a listen.

 

[Old Boys Club]

Just keeping Kesselring would’ve been nice.

Can’t squeeze gms in this league. Had to throw in a prospect for 10 games of the sell-sword bjugstad before he scurried back off to Arizona to continue playing in the US

 

[Mr Positive]

Fowler is okay but he's another one that should be LD. He can play RD but it's not ideal. Plus he's slowing down

 

[TheNumber4]

Another problem I have with trading for a LD. Is that alot of these guys on the market are only just okay. Then you throw them on the Right Side and immediately downgrade the asset you just traded for? No defenceman in this League prefers their offside and no one shines playing in a position they are less comfortable in.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Man I don't think all of us have seen Fowler play at all. He's not too slow. From all accounts, including Seravalli and Stauffer, Fowler is a very gifted skater and still fast.

Top Skating Speed (mph)
League Average: 21.35
Fowler: 21.13 (Below 50th Percentile)
Stetcher: 21.17

Speed Bursts Over 20 mph
League Average: 11.7
Fowler: 7 (Below 50th Percentile)
Stetcher: 10

Skating Distance (mi)
League Average: 53.42
Fowler: 41.68 (Below 50th Percentile)
Stetcher: 47.07

his numbers are worse than Troy Stetchers

 

[Old Boys Club]

No to Fowler

 

[TheNumber4]

Top Skating Speed (mph) Below 50th Percentile
Speed Bursts Over 20 mph Below 50th Percentile
Skating Distance (mi) Below 50th Percentile

his numbers are slightly worse than Troy Stetchers

In the game I watched, I rated him as an average skater, but that's surprising to see but about on par with Ducks fans feelings that he's lost a step.

I will say he plays a smart vet game though. He'll be in the right positions, he'll make the right decisions with the puck for the most part. I'm doubtful he can make any big impacts though. And in the game I watched I didn't see him get overwhelmed due to his lack of size or strength, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it if I watched more.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Hard to argue that the team hasn't been better without Arvid taking up a spot falling down all over the ice. I figured back problems and resulting balance problems. Disc problems are well. Couldn't imagine playing hockey with them. Arvid gets belted out there now. When he was in prime he could evade a lot of hits and was an evasive skater. he sure isn't now. With the Oilers the easiest way to get the puck off line 2 is just pummel Arvid and take the puck. He wasn't going to be surviving those hits for long.

Said before the season started that a player with two back surgeries should start thinking about retirement but then the Oilers backed in the loomis truck with 8M. Dumb contract.

Arvidsson was always a face first into the meat grinder kind of player, a lot of straight line skating and attacking the puck.

Arvidsson and Drai looked to be developing chemistry and he was shooting half his normal career shooting percentage on a new team, a 16 game saomple size isn't enough for me to write off someone of his track record.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Can you imagine being the Philly players on the ice at 14.38 of the third for Marchand's breakaway. Tortz will never let them forget that. Skating and skating and skating.

Arvidsson was always a face first into the meat grinder kind of player, a lot of straight line skating and attacking the puck.

Arvidsson and Drai looked to be developing chemistry and he was shooting half his normal career shooting percentage on a new team, a 16 game saomple size isn't enough for me to write off someone of his track record.

Given his style of play ...his lower back trouble wouldn't have kept you from signing this player to begin with?

 

[BarDownBobo]

Another problem I have with trading for a LD. Is that alot of these guys on the market are only just okay. Then you throw them on the Right Side and immediately downgrade the asset you just traded for? No defenceman in this League prefers their offside and no one shines playing in a position they are less comfortable in.

I feel like getting a new partner for Emberson and then keeping Nurse/Kulak together is going to end up being the smart play.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Top Skating Speed (mph)
League Average: 21.35
Fowler: 21.13 (Below 50th Percentile)
Stetcher: 21.17

Speed Bursts Over 20 mph
League Average: 11.7
Fowler: 7 (Below 50th Percentile)
Stetcher: 10

Skating Distance (mi)
League Average: 53.42
Fowler: 41.68 (Below 50th Percentile)
Stetcher: 47.07

his numbers are worse than Troy Stetchers

Being super fast isn't what skating is all about. What about crossovers, edge work, etc?

 

[TheNumber4]

I don't get why we'd want a shutdown D or even mediocre 2 way guy. We are ranked Top 3 for Shot Suppression in this League. Knob's system continues to work. We defend well as a TEAM. Is the goal to be ranked 1st in that department?

Nurse's improved play has been great. Stecher/Emberson are surviving at a Ceci-like level at a fraction of the cap hit. Ekholm has been the same beast he's always been and maybe even better. Once Bouch's early season struggles are over with he'll be the same superstar we saw in the playoffs. Kulak's game has taken a step forward.

Where we struggle is Finishing. We generate shots but can't find the goals to match the shot production. Hopefully that comes around as some of our wingers find their game, but if it doesn't like last year and we continue to struggle finishing. I think we need an upgrade on offensive skill and ability, specifically to create more on the rush (our O-zone cycle offense just isn't getting it done).

Find me a Puckmoving offensive RHD with some skill and I think that makes the biggest impact for this club.

 

[TheNumber4]

I feel like getting a new partner for Emberson and then keeping Nurse/Kulak together is going to end up being the smart play.

That's interesting. Can't argue against the results of the Nurse/Kulak pair, they've been good together in the smaller sample they've played. Trading for a 3rd Pair LD or overpaying for a 4LD and slotting him in the 3LD spot could work if you believe in Emberson. I like Emberson although I think Stecher has been better as of late.

At the end of the day though this would be a TDL move to improve the 3rd pair, and a 3rd pair can only have so much impact on the game. Personally, I think we need something bigger.

 

[Heavy Dee]

Can't imagine being a sabres fan. What an abortion of a franchise.

 

[McDoused]

Man I don't think all of us have seen Fowler play at all. He's not too slow. From all accounts, including Seravalli and Stauffer, Fowler is a very gifted skater and still fast. He's not too old. He just turned 33. Wasn't Ekholm 32 when he came to us? Fowler had 39 points last year, 48 the year before. This year, he's had an injury he's recovered from and younger players are taking on bigger roles so his role is less now. He just wants to be motivated again.

Also, from how Nurse has played, we don't need a puck mover who is revolutionary. We need a safe puckmover. Fowler, in a way, entails that


Man are you really going to use what posters say on HF as evidence lol? Remember this board 4 weeks ago ripping up Nurse and Bouchard like they are ECHL players?

*checks notes*

No, he's too old and too slow for the fast paced game we like to play.

Top Skating Speed (mph)
League Average: 21.35
Fowler: 21.13 (Below 50th Percentile)
Stetcher: 21.17

Speed Bursts Over 20 mph
League Average: 11.7
Fowler: 7 (Below 50th Percentile)
Stetcher: 10

Skating Distance (mi)
League Average: 53.42
Fowler: 41.68 (Below 50th Percentile)
Stetcher: 47.07

his numbers are worse than Troy Stetchers

Oh nevermind beat me to it lol.