Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Y'all Got Any Good Goalies?

[TheNumber4]

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No, he's too old and too slow for the fast paced game we like to play.



Oh nevermind beat me to it lol.

If he's as weak and slow as the Ducks fanbase is saying he is. I worry about how he'd handle a Panthers forecheck in the playoffs as well. Although I would say he's pretty smart in navigating forecheck pressure, there's a vet calmness to his game.

 

[McTonyBrar]

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No, he's too old and too slow for the fast paced game we like to play.



Oh nevermind beat me to it lol.

You guys are only going to use information like this to review a player? He's a year older than Ekholm. We aren't trying to find a #1 Dman. We're trying to get a #4 Dman because all other slots are full.

What would you like your defence core to be?

Ekholm Bouchard
Nurse Stecher
Kulak Emberson

or

Ekholm Bouchard
Nurse Fowler/Kulak
Fowler/Kulak Emberson
Stecher

If he's as weak and slow as the Ducks fanbase is saying he is. I worry about how he'd handle a Panthers forecheck in the playoffs as well. Although I would say he's pretty smart in navigating forecheck pressure, there's a vet calmness to his game.

I don't where on those plays he looked slow

 

[TheNumber4]

You guys are only going to use information like this to review a player? He's a year older than Ekholm. We aren't trying to find a #1 Dman. We're trying to get a #4 Dman because all other slots are full.

What would you like your defence core to be?

Ekholm Bouchard
Nurse Stecher
Kulak Emberson

or

Ekholm Bouchard
Nurse Fowler/Kulak
Fowler/Kulak Emberson
Stecher


I don't where on those plays he looked slow

I posted those plays to show he had good vet savvy in his game. I would say those clips also make his skating look average to good on his activations. But NHL Edge is saying otherwise, and that encapsulates much more than my 1 game look.

 

[McTonyBrar]

I posted those plays to show he had good vet savvy in his game. I would say those clips also make his skating look average to good on his activations. But NHL Edge is saying otherwise, and that encapsulates much more than my 1 game look.

I'd rather give more of his games a look than just read numbers man.

And this is coming from a Senior Accountant lol

 

[Tarus]

Can't imagine being a sabres fan. What an abortion of a franchise.

I'm not even sure why they're so bad

They were forced to trade their number 1 center, but Tage Thompson immediately filled the void and developed into an impact center. They have, or rather had decent offensive support, and seem to be able to consistently find good players up front to the point they've become a feeder team of scorers for other teams in the NHL. They've got 3 defenseman almost any team in the league would want in their top 4, two of which look like franchise number 1 type Dman. They've even had good goaltending at times, and somehow pissed that away as well.

You would think that will all the coaches they run through there, they would have found at least one guy who could put something together that would result in at least a little bit of success.

 

[TheNumber4]

I'd rather give more of his games a look than just read numbers man.

And this is coming from a Senior Accountant lol

Player tracking can be relied upon I would say. Have to give it some weight. Eye Test, well he looked fine in the game I watched, but I don't watch as many Ducks games as Ducks fans. I also don't think Bob or Frank watch many Ducks games...

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Given his style of play ...his lower back trouble wouldn't have kept you from signing this player to begin with?

It would keep me from giving him big term, but signing him altogether I would only come to that determination after conferring with a doctor.

I also don't see an oft injured player as the biggest of issues, you don't want to stack your team with them, but one guy could potentially give you some unexpected cash to play around with come the trade deadline and if they so happen to join back just in time for the playoffs all the better.

 

[TheGingaNinja]

Some Ducks fans thinking they want Fowler to get 13 more games so he hits the 1000 games milestone as a Duck, then he’ll be traded.

But buyer beware on Fowler, the Ducks fanbase wants him gone, as in he sucks and is done and is weak and needs to gone:

May not be a popular opinion, but honestly, I think some of that is because his partner is Gudas. He's an over rated d-man imo. Brings physicality, but not much else.

I watched an Anaheim game this week (Ugh, they are BAD), and Fowler seemed to have pretty good wheels still. That pairing did get roasted though, but I thought it was mostly due to Gudas' play.

 

[Soundwave]

I'd rather have Gibson retained than Fowler retained. This team is hard to beat when they have good goaltending, if we can have a carousel of 3 goalies who can be swapped in/out when they get hot, I think it helps the team more than a Cam Fowler.

 

[McTonyBrar]

I'd rather have Gibson retained than Fowler retained. This team is hard to beat when they have good goaltending, if we can have a carousel of 3 goalies who can be swapped in/out when they get hot, I think it helps the team more than a Cam Fowler.

Skinner is kind of changing my mind on this

 

[TheGingaNinja]

Skinner is kind of changing my mind on this

Still think a 1b would be a wise move. Skinner's biggest achilles heel unfortunately, is his consistency.

 

[Canovin]

I wonder if islanders plan to keep Romanov. I would trade for him. Move Kulak with Nurse

 

[Soundwave]

Skinner is kind of changing my mind on this

The problem with that logic is Skinner will have his down dips again inevitably. What you should be looking at is it's pretty hard to beat this team when they get good goaltending. So why not invest more in that team aspect to give yourself the best shot of having a good tandem.

Anything over .915 on any given night is almost an auto-win.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

The problem with that logic is Skinner will have his down dips again inevitably. What you should be looking at is it's pretty hard to beat this team when they get good goaltending. So why not invest more in that team aspect to give yourself the best shot of having a good tandem.

Anything over .915 on any given night is almost an auto-win.

so does John Gibson

he had an .888% last season and hasn't had a save % above .904 since 18-19...all for the low low price of 6.4 mil

he ain't the answer

 

[Soundwave]

so does John Gibson

he had an .888% last season and hasn't had a save % above .904 since 18-19...all for the low low price of 6.4 mil

he ain't the answer

At 50% retained I would consider it. He doesn't have to be the defacto 60 game starter here and get swamped with goals against. 1A/1B situation behind a team that doesn't allow many chances against can allow his natural talent to shine.

The Oilers are up to now 11th best in the NHL in goals against/game at 2.92 ... tied with Carolina. EDIT: I think we might have actually moved into the top 10 after tonight.

When we get decent goaltending we are hard to beat. We just don't have a singular Shesterkin type of goalie and those guys are almost never available, so we are better off having 2-3 good options that you can swap in/swap out and can push each other.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

At 50% retained I would consider it. He doesn't have to be the defacto 60 game starter here and get swamped with goals against. 1A/1B situation behind a team that doesn't allow many chances against can allow his natural talent to shine.

The Oilers are up to now 11th best in the NHL in goals against/game at 2.92 ... tied with Carolina.

When we get decent goaltending we are hard to beat. We just don't have a singular Shesterkin type of goalie and those guys are almost never available, so we are better off having 2-3 good options that you can swap in/swap out and can push each other.

there's cheaper options to get a goalie with .905% than Gibson...even at 3.25 mil
waste of Cap space IMO

 

[Soundwave]

there's cheaper options to get a goalie with .905% than Gibson...even at 3.25 mil
waste of Cap space IMO

Well it would have been nice if they gambled on Logan Thompson in the summer, but obviously they didn't see it, Washington is having an unreal season because of all the buy-low home runs their front office hit.

Cam Talbot wouldn't be bad but he is 5 years older than Gibson.

There's not that many available guys for much cheaper. Vejmelka would be nice, but the cost is likely higher.

 

[Sanderson]

Player tracking can be relied upon I would say. Have to give it some weight. Eye Test, well he looked fine in the game I watched, but I don't watch as many Ducks games as Ducks fans. I also don't think Bob or Frank watch many Ducks games...

Tracking without the taking the circumstances into account can be rather useless though.

It's tough to hide a lack of top-speed, though I guess it depends on how accurate the measurements actually are. Speed bursts and skating distance though, those can mean anything. A lack of speed bursts could mean the player is slow or lacks acceleration, or it means he doesn't need a lot of them because he is positionally sound, while players with more speed bursts constantly have to make up for their lack of awareness through speed. Same with skating distance. Lots of it can mean the player is a force on the ice who engages in the game a lot, or it means the defenseman joins the offense too much for his own good and / or runs around like headless chicken.

For those stats to mean something, you would need to know how his team plays, their overall structure defensively, the role of the player, and the kind of icetime he gets. Without in-depth knowledge of those, they are a very rough guidelines at best.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

I'm not even sure why they're so bad

They were forced to trade their number 1 center, but Tage Thompson immediately filled the void and developed into an impact center. They have, or rather had decent offensive support, and seem to be able to consistently find good players up front to the point they've become a feeder team of scorers for other teams in the NHL. They've got 3 defenseman almost any team in the league would want in their top 4, two of which look like franchise number 1 type Dman. They've even had good goaltending at times, and somehow pissed that away as well.

You would think that will all the coaches they run through there, they would have found at least one guy who could put something together that would result in at least a little bit of success.

Yes they have had many many disparate parts ....some excellent some very good that are now gone and some pretty good ones that are still there.
The problem with Buffalo begins higher up and filters down from there. its hard to build an orange with a 150 parts with no plan and somebody that cant read the architects plans correctly. They have more than a few of the wrong people there. For example take St. Louis management/hockey ops and coaches and overlay it with Buffalos and look for differences in the type of people occupying key positions. Used St. Louis cause we played them last night, because they struggled at times in the past and found a way to rise up.
Tell me ...what kind of hockey is Buffalo Sabre hockey (other than bad)? Lack identity? Its a symptom.

I apologize for the mix metaphors.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

so does John Gibson

he had an .888% last season and hasn't had a save % above .904 since 18-19...all for the low low price of 6.4 mil

he ain't the answer

very very few goalies have played as poorly as Gibson since COVID and still have regular NHL jobs. People need to stop living in 2018. Just like Corey Perry isn't going to score us 30-40 goals because he did it a decade ago.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

very very few goalies have played as poorly as Gibson since COVID and still have regular NHL jobs. People need to stop living in 2018. Just like Corey Perry isn't going to score us 30-40 goals because he did it a decade ago.

I agree with your take here. Have you identified a goalie you would bring in or would you not change things?

 

[Scrapin Ice]

As I have mentioned before The Devils need to strengthen their bottom 6, especially LW. It sounds now that they have targeted Montreals Jake Evans.
Montreal needs a short to medium term fix to RD.
Too bad our management is too stunned to do something here.

 

[Mr Positive]

very very few goalies have played as poorly as Gibson since COVID and still have regular NHL jobs. People need to stop living in 2018. Just like Corey Perry isn't going to score us 30-40 goals because he did it a decade ago.

It doesn't matter anyway. We aren't bending over backwards to add him at his cost, whether that cost is cap space or retention assets.

The move here in net is to keep Skinner and add someone in the tier of Blackwood/Lyon/Husso or whoever who is a bit cheaper. Don't even have a 1a/1b situation. Have a 1b/1b situation where the split is even.

So it's on management to scout these goalies when they can, and pick the right one who fits the team. For a goalie it might be good enough to not even scout in person but just look at all the surface stats and advanced stats.

It looks like maybe our deadline will be using cap accrual for a goalie and maybe convincing Kane or Arvidsson to ride the LTIR for the cap space for that RD

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I posted those plays to show he had good vet savvy in his game. I would say those clips also make his skating look average to good on his activations. But NHL Edge is saying otherwise, and that encapsulates much more than my 1 game look.

The issue with Edge is it doesn't track acceleration well.

Stecher is a good example of this. Yes, his top speed isn't super high, but his strong first step and 4-way mobility means he's starting with the lead in a lot of races for the puck. Folwer's similar.
Though Folwer's big issue is like Ceci, he sucks at sensing pressure and urgency. Though how much of that is due to the Ducks putting him in situations he shouldn't be in, à la Petry-era Oilers?


Though if we're looking at ANA defenceman, I think Dumoulin catches my eye a little more.

 

[Soundwave]

very very few goalies have played as poorly as Gibson since COVID and still have regular NHL jobs. People need to stop living in 2018. Just like Corey Perry isn't going to score us 30-40 goals because he did it a decade ago.

Very few teams play no defense in front of their goalie the way the Ducks do. In Feb 2023 alone Gibson faced 50+ shots against *three* times in one month alone, lol. That should happen maybe once every 7 or 8 years, that is ridiculous.

I guess they are a bit better this year but they were predictably a train wreck under Eakins.

It doesn't really matter because the central point remains ... having good goaltending makes the Oilers very difficult to beat and in terms of bottom line losses becoming wins, IMO nothing impacts that more than getting another goalie who can give you good stretches of play and act as insurance for when Skinner has his inevitable down stretches.

Talbot, Vejmelka, Gibson, maybe a Blackwood can all fit into that category and at least a few of these guys are acquirable.

A Cam Fowler or someone like that honestly is not going to make as big of a difference. I'm not saying don't get some D depth, I just don't think it has to be some big ticket move there. The D is solid already due to systems play.

Honestly, Fabbro was right there and would have fit to a tee what we needed, this front office needs to be more in touch with other GMs for opportunities like that.