Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Where's the Beef?

[Fourier]

I don't disagree that the Oilers are going to need to take these types of low cost gambles to fill out their depth, particularly at forward, on the cheap.

But in regards to Kostin, it's important to look at the player without the rose-colored glasses. He's struggling and there's a lot of evidence that he's a player with a very limited game. He needed playing time with our skill guys the first time around to score at that rate and we have a significantly deeper roster on wing than we had his first go around. He doesn't PK, he's known for taking bad penalties and it's easy to see him falling out of favour if the plan is throwing him out there with our fourth line.

If I'm throwing out the 5th and the 6th that @Fourier is suggesting it would cost, I think I prefer using that trade capital targeting an upgrade at 4C. Jake Evans is a player who makes a similar salary and brings a lot more to the table. Kostin just doesn't add much to this roster for me to be willing to spend the picks.

I am not sure you are getting Jake Evans with double retention at that price. I think he costs you closer to what they paid for Bjugstad which was Kesselring and a 3rd just to get Montreal onside. YOu will then need another pick/prospect for the third team if you want the additional space. I also think there is a good chance that by the deadline Philp will have the 4C spot permanently.

To be clear I am not advocating that Kostin be a prime target right now. Though if the cost really was as low as I expect I would be fine with that deal at $500K on the cap.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

If you trade for Provorov, odds are you're looking at making the room to extend him at around $6m AAV. He's still young enough to give you good seasons for the majority of a long term extension. And he gives you all of what you lost with Broberg, but also a more refined game.

Provorov is interesting because he's had some questions regarding the consistency of his game. There are reasons why he may not be asking for the moon on an extension. And as a deadline add, his cap hit will be significantly less than anyone else of significance on the likely D market.

There's NO chance he signs. He's staring at the Southern US and would absolutely not sign in Edmonton.

Again, there are just other options, especial spending that kind of capital. Jake Walman is a very interesting option, Detroit dumped him, but he's playing great hockey this year and has a solid cap hit.

 

[NeverForget06]

Kostin is proof that this fanbase just needs to see you pop a couple goals and punch a few faces and there'll forever be a lore of how effective you are as a player.

Kostin is alright as a depth guy, but he needs to be given an opportunity to show any sort of positive contribution. And I think that he's had a difficult time finding a coach that trusts him enough to give him that consistent shot.

If he was willing to come back next season on a PTO or league min deal, absolutely. But I don't see the role he takes on a playoff roster, so why spend the assets?

Agree. Agree so much!

If the last playoff run taught me anything, it's that the entire lineup needs to be able to play a 200 foot game or you're gonna get exposed. A player like Kostin would have gotten torn to shreds by the Panthers.

His problem is the role he should be taking is in the top 6, but he can't be trusted to play there, so they have to give him less minutes, and he ends up being a skill guy miscast down the lineup.

There is no way Knoblauch would let Kostin within 20 feet of the top 6, and he doesn't fit in the bottom 6.... so why would he be on the team?

 

[McTonyBrar]

Boob tube medi chicken said the Oilers may do something small on the defence in the short term to help the team. But both him and Seravalli say we are going to make an Ekholm like move closer to the deadline

 

[McDNicks17]

Boob tube medi chicken said the Oilers may do something small on the defence in the short term to help the team. But both him and Seravalli say we are going to make an Ekholm like move closer to the deadline

Everyone on this board could have a radio show if that's the takes people are looking for.

 

[belair]

I am not sure you are getting Jake Evans with double retention at that price. I think he costs you closer to what they paid for Bjugstad which was Kesselring and a 3rd just to get Montreal onside. YOu will then need another pick/prospect for the third team if you want the additional space. I also think there is a good chance that by the deadline Philp will have the 4C spot permanently.

To be clear I am not advocating that Kostin be a prime target right now. Though if the cost really was as low as I expect I would be fine with that deal at $500K on the cap.

I definitely don't think we'd be getting Evans for that price. But I'm suggesting that we have a limited number of tradeable assets and spending two of them for a player in addition to what it takes to address the more necessary areas would add up.

Like I mentioned when Carcone was brought up, I'd rather we get to make those picks. And if Philp turns out being an effective C at this point in his career, out-freaking-standing.

Agree. Agree so much!

If the last playoff run taught me anything, it's that the entire lineup needs to be able to play a 200 foot game or you're gonna get exposed. A player like Kostin would have gotten torn to shreds by the Panthers.

His problem is the role he should be taking is in the top 6, but he can't be trusted to play there, so they have to give him less minutes, and he ends up being a skill guy miscast down the lineup.

There is no way Knoblauch would let Kostin within 20 feet of the top 6, and he doesn't fit in the bottom 6.... so why would he be on the team?

Why is he staring at the Southern US?

And if Walman can play effective minutes on the right side of the ice, he'd absolutely be an option.

 

[McShogun99]

Kostin is proof that this fanbase just needs to see you pop a couple goals and punch a few faces and there'll forever be a lore of how effective you are as a player.

Kostin is alright as a depth guy, but he needs to be given an opportunity to show any sort of positive contribution. And I think that he's had a difficult time finding a coach that trusts him enough to give him that consistent shot.

If he was willing to come back next season on a PTO or league min deal, absolutely. But I don't see the role he takes on a playoff roster, so why spend the assets?

Kassian would have been a god here if he signed that inflated contract with another team.

 

[McAsuno]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1853610703472713976

 

[Soundwave]

Kassian would have been a god here if he signed that inflated contract with another team.

No chance would Kassian score 16 goal rate here given Kostin's minutes. He needed heavy time with McDavid to just get 15 goals.

 

[K1984]

With respect to moves we can make at the deadline, I think we have a bit more flexibility than we are thinking about for other positions if, say the third line is a black hole the whole year, or a top 6 winger isn't doing what we need them to do.

I perceive all of Henrique, Brown, Janmark, Arvidsson and Skinner as movable contracts. Some more so than others, but assuming none of these players completely crater none of them are on deals that would scare off a shitty team with cap room.

There is room for creativity if we need to be creative.

 

[Soundwave]

If anything I think Knoblaugh is out of touch with the fact that this team plays better when they are physically engaged.

Every game they've had a fight in, they've played better and more into the game.

If I'm a GM, I'm not oblivious to that. You can't expect one forward (Podkolzin) to do all the heavy lifting on that front, it's not fair to him. Even asking Kane coming off like 5 different surgeries to just step in and have his body grinded to a pulp is not fair either.

I think we do need more players who can hit and fight (and hopefully pot a few goals in the process). If you can get said player(s) for cheap, you'd be stupid to not do it.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

If anything I think Knoblaugh is out of touch with the fact that this team plays better when they are physically engaged.

Every game they've had a fight in, they've played better and more into the game.

If I'm a GM, I'm not oblivious to that. You can't expect one forward (Podkolzin) to do all the heavy lifting on that front, it's not fair to him. Even asking Kane coming off like 5 different surgeries to just step in and have his body grinded to a pulp is not fair either.

I think we do need more players who can hit and fight (and hopefully pot a few goals in the process). If you can get said player(s) for cheap, you'd be stupid to not do it.

Yes, you need players that are annoying to play against and that can still play hockey. Look at the Cucks.

Sherwood is annoying AF to play against. He has had up to 12 hits in a game.

Garland is a little prick. Plays hard

Miller is a prick. Same.

Hoglander is a little prick

Piss SOoter is a annoying fake tough guy prick. He isn;t too shy

Even Boeser hits people

Debrusk isn't shy

Heinen isn't shy

 

[Soundwave]

I wonder if we can get Joel Blomqvist back from Pittsburgh in our heavily telegraphed "trade for a DEEE!" move.

Petterson (D) @50% retained + Blomqvist

for

EDM 1st 2026 + prospect (?)

I do not trust Skinner + Pickard at all and Rodrigue is nothing special either. If Blomqvist could break out here, it would be huge for the team.

If we could get goaltending that wasn't frekaing sub-30th best in the league for GSAA it would franchise altering.

Skinner sitting current at 65th overall in GSAA, Pickard at 41st best is a f***ing embarrassment, they were both bad last year too. We have to play almost perfect in front of these guys and given that teams naturally start seasons a little rusty/out of sync it's no wonder the last two years (post Mike Smith who was at least decent) have been a total gong show to start.

Every mistake/bad bounce is an auto goal against almost.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

I wonder if we can get Joel Blomqvist back from Pittsburgh in our heavily telegraphed "trade for a DEEE!" move.

Petterson (D) @50% retained + Blomqvist

for

EDM 1st 2026 + prospect (?)

I do not trust Skinner + Pickard at all and Rodrigue is nothing special either. If Blomqvist could break out here, it would be huge for the team.

If we could get goaltending that wasn't frekaing sub-30th best in the league for GSAA it would franchise altering.

Skinner sitting current at 65th overall in GSAA, Pickard at 41st best is a f***ing embarrassment, they were both bad last year too. We have to play almost perfect in front of these guys and given that teams naturally start seasons a little rusty/out of sync it's no wonder the last two years (post Mike Smith who was at least decent) have been a total gong show to start.

Every mistake/bad bounce is an auto goal against almost.

He is one of those rare goalies that I see just a little bit of and you can tell he’s at least gonna be a starter.

I’ve got a handful of goalies that stood out like that to me and they always at least have an NHL career. One of them was Price so that’s not much to hang my hat on, everyone knew he was a stud.

 

[K1984]

He is one of those rare goalies that I see just a little bit of and you can tell he’s at least gonna be a starter.

I’ve got a handful of goalies that stood out like that to me and they always at least have an NHL career. One of them was Price so that’s not much to hang my hat on, everyone knew he was a stud.

I had Vasilevsky being a star when I saw him as (I believe) a 17 year old at the 2010 World Juniors. I know what you mean when you see a goalie and you can't pinpoint why, but you just know they're going to be good.

Just took this as an opportunity to brag lol.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Caggiula back down, he was passable.

 

[Soundwave]

Caggiula back down, he was passable.

Connor back early?

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Getting Kostin is growing on me. Watching Podz punch that dude really unlocked the bloodlust in me.

It is still a part of the game and having guys that can handle that stuff opens things up for the skilled players getting bullied or having too many liberties taken against them.

If anything I think Knoblaugh is out of touch with the fact that this team plays better when they are physically engaged.

Every game they've had a fight in, they've played better and more into the game.

If I'm a GM, I'm not oblivious to that. You can't expect one forward (Podkolzin) to do all the heavy lifting on that front, it's not fair to him. Even asking Kane coming off like 5 different surgeries to just step in and have his body grinded to a pulp is not fair either.

I think we do need more players who can hit and fight (and hopefully pot a few goals in the process). If you can get said player(s) for cheap, you'd be stupid to not do it.

100%. Kane will be huge in this aspect but we could use another guy or probably 2 so that we are well covered. Ideally we'd have a pest/dirt for dirt kind of a guy like Hathaway and someone mentioned Sherwood and a guy that can hit like a truck and kick ass when the time calls for it.

Yes, you need players that are annoying to play against and that can still play hockey. Look at the Cucks.

Sherwood is annoying AF to play against. He has had up to 12 hits in a game.

Garland is a little prick. Plays hard

Miller is a prick. Same.

Hoglander is a little prick

Piss SOoter is a annoying fake tough guy prick. He isn;t too shy

Even Boeser hits people

Debrusk isn't shy

Heinen isn't shy

The team plays softer than it is because we don't have enough of this element. Team toughness is where it's at and it usually starts with a guy that can take on the toughest guys and then it trickles down to the light heavies, the guys that will fight to spark the team and the guys that will only fight when they need to.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Caggiula back down, he was passable.

I honestly liked what he brought to the table. You could do worse for a 4th line winger.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Connor back early?

I think so, there are rumours of against Vancouver, plus they need to get out of LTIR. I wonder if Dermott hits waivers too today.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Max Jones is on waivers, he's $1M on the cap and has another year at $1M.

He's got size and is a former 1st round pick, he might be a fit for the bottom-6.

Pick him up and waive Janmark or Ryan (or both)?

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Max Jones is on waivers, he's $1M on the cap and has another year at $1M.

He's got size and is a former 1st round pick, he might be a fit for the bottom-6.

Pick him up and waive Janmark or Ryan (or both)?

The first thing that I do when I hear toughness is look up the player's fight card. He is a really poor fighter and his stats are nothing special. Perry and Henrique would have good knowledge of him. Cheap and scrappy but unless he's a + skater there doesn't seem like much there. Maybe more of a pest type than anything? That would work for me.

 

[Slats432]

The first thing that I do when I hear toughness is look up the player's fight card. He is a really poor fighter and his stats are nothing special. Perry and Henrique would have good knowledge of him. Cheap and scrappy but unless he's a + skater there doesn't seem like much there. Maybe more of a pest type than anything? That would work for me.

https://dobberhockey.com/2024/06/03/the-wild-west-nhl-edge-stats-skating-speed/

Compared his speed to Leo Carlsson and Troy Terry.

Hits per game this year were 2, last year 127 hits in 52 games.

His corsi this year is in the 20s.

Tread carefully.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

https://dobberhockey.com/2024/06/03/the-wild-west-nhl-edge-stats-skating-speed/

Compared his speed to Leo Carlsson and Troy Terry.

Hits per game this year were 2, last year 127 hits in 52 games.

His corsi this year is in the 20s.

Tread carefully.

So the tools to be a pest are there but he might be more of an AHLer at this point.

 

[Slats432]

So the tools to be a pest are there but he might be more of an AHLer at this point.

I have zero opinion on him, I just brought the facts.