Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Where's the Beef?

[Spawn]

No, because once the Oilers found his weak spot he was basically ineffective. He got lit up after they found the first one.

Jarry has warts, but the pens suck.

The Pens suck and they are still getting a better performance off a no name rookie third stringer than Jarry.

Swapping Nurse for Jarry actively makes the team worse and you’re now looking to add two top 4 D-men at the deadline instead of one.

If all we were considering was present and future cap space it would make sense. But the team is trying to win a cup. We are going to be hard pressed to have the assets to acquire one top 4 dman at the deadline. Adding two? Might as well throw the season away.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

I actually like that Kane news. Come back healthy and get prepped for the playoffs.

It is maddening that we had a Kane who couldn't play and a very injured Drai (F*** YOU VANCOUVER) in the finals.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I’d be willing to bet your mortgage that Connor Murphy is an Oiler at some point.

He's a realistic get for sure. Easy to make the logical connection (I've done as well early in premature deadline shopping machinations). Questions will be about ability to move the needle, the competitive environment for premium scarcity positional asset.

Now put your mortgage down and I'll take the bet on it!!

 

[Jumptheshark]

He's a realistic get for sure. Easy to make the logical connection (I've done as well early in premature deadline shopping machinations). Questions will be about ability to move the needle, the competitive environment for premium scarcity positional asset.

Now put your mortgage down and I'll take the bet on it!!

I think if the Hawks try to move Murphy a few teams will be in the queue to get him

 

[Mr Positive]

I think if the Hawks try to move Murphy a few teams will be in the queue to get him

Maybe he will use his 10 team no trade clause strategically. Don't put a team like Anaheim on it. He could rig it to make sure if he's traded it's only to one of a few teams

 

[guymez]

Not sure about that. Nurse has been solid this year outside a poor start. Karlsson's elite, fast puck movement and carry ability would move the puck out of zone faster and with more certainty. It's an issue after Ekholm Bouchard.

But regardless, the trade market being relied upon for an upgrade looks shallow and with competition that have the ammunition to dictate it.

How do you define solid?
Offence consistently dies on his stick.
He has in every game so far made at least one wrong read on D.
He still gives up prime ice (and backs into the goalies kitchen) when defending the rush.

I guess we should be happy with that and not expect any better?

For me the player on D that has been solid is Ekholm.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I think if the Hawks try to move Murphy a few teams will be in the queue to get him

It's definitely going to be the challenge navigating a competitive market with limited supply of a premium priced asset which is right shot defenseman. Murphy seems more of a B list guy not necessarily a bonafide difference maker.

Makes a wee bit of sense to trial Nurse at 2RD to create flexibility if the Oilers get priced out of the right shot top 4 d-market.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

How do you define solid?
Offence consistently dies on his stick.
He has in every game so far made at least one wrong read on D.
He still gives up prime ice (and backs into the goalies kitchen) when defending the rush.

I guess we should be happy with that and not expect any better?

Look at his time on ice. Deployment and situational play. He plays substantive defensive zone starts and competitive situational play for this team. Doesn't get the bump that playing with McDavid's dominating top line provides. I've posted those historic numbers for you before. Nurse isn't going anywhere and his salary isn't going to change. He's been pretty solid including bringing back his physical nasty style which adds another dimension. Every defenseman will make errors and bad reads in every game. Nature of this high speed collision sport.

It's a waste of energy wishing Nurse and his salary away.

 

[guymez]

Look at his time on ice. Deployment and situational play. He plays substantive defensive zone starts and competitive situational play for this team. Doesn't get the bump that playing with McDavid's dominating top line provides. I've posted those historic numbers for you before. Nurse isn't going anywhere and his salary isn't going to change. He's been pretty solid including bringing back his physical nasty style which adds another dimension. Every defenseman will make errors and bad reads in every game. Nature of this high speed collision sport.

It's a waste of energy wishing Nurse and his salary away.

Well..you and I have a different benchmark for solid.
Thats fine.
Nurse is a $9.25M damn...he should be playing against the other teams best players consistently.
He isnt because he cant handle it.
Watch the player. Watch how often the play dies on his stick in the O zone.
Watch him defend the rush.
Watch how he defends the cycle and what reads he defaults to.

Once you have done that...then watch Ekholm. Watch what he does with the puck on his stick in the O zone. Watch his reads in the D zone. All of that against the other teams best players.

The difference is obvious.

You're correct...the team is stuck with him and his bloated contract. That being said that doesnt mean we are compelled to watch the player wearing rose colored glasses.

 

[Cloned]

He's a realistic get for sure. Easy to make the logical connection (I've done as well early in premature deadline shopping machinations). Questions will be about ability to move the needle, the competitive environment for premium scarcity positional asset.

Now put your mortgage down and I'll take the bet on it!!

We all know property is more expensive in Vancouver

 

[brentashton]

We all know property is more expensive in Vancouver

But Hastings, Hastings I say. We need to gentrify that street.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Well..you and I have a different benchmark for solid.
Thats fine.
Nurse is a $9.25M damn...he should be playing against the other teams best players consistently.
He isnt because he cant handle it.
Watch the player. Watch how often the play dies on his stick in the O zone.
Watch him defend the rush.
Watch how he defends the cycle and what reads he defaults to.

Once you have done that...then watch Ekholm. Watch what he does with the puck on his stick in the O zone. Watch his reads in the D zone. All of that against the other teams best players.

The difference is obvious.

You're correct...the team is stuck with him and his bloated contract. That being said that doesnt mean we are compelled to watch the player wearing rose colored glasses.

Keep on keepin on. It's a pointless discussion. I watch the player plenty and do deep dives to help contextualize. Whining and moping about Nurse changes nothing. It's a longterm decision this team has to manage around. Now they have a worse and smaller defense to improve after getting through to the Cup.

 

[guymez]

Keep on keepin on. It's a pointless discussion. I watch the player plenty and do deep dives to help contextualize. Whining and moping about Nurse changes nothing. It's a longterm decision this team has to manage around. Now they have a worse and smaller defense to improve after getting through to the Cup.

No whining and moping happening.
Just recognition of the reality that is Darnell Nurse.

I would agree that he has imporved but he isnt at the level of solid IMO.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

We all know property is more expensive in Vancouver

My property is in Cowtown! haha But interesting the rental rate between what we get for Calgary property is not far off what we're pay for prime Van rental location.

Tough needle for the Oil to thread with top 4RD. Looks like well stocked competitors might be fishing the same scarcity need. Yikes!

No whining and moping happening.
Just recognition of the reality that is Darnell Nurse.

Youre right though...the conversation is pointless.

Solid indeed.

It's a conversation that dead ended months ago when I asked that we end an endless loop. Requesting that again because it is tired and pointless.

 

[guymez]

It's a conversation that dead ended months ago when I asked that we end an endless loop. Requesting that again because it is tired and pointless.

It was really about what you consider to be solid.

I dont need an advanced stat to validate when Nurse makes an unforced error in the O zone and negatively affects the play.
I also dont need an advanced stat to validate when I see Nurse make a bad read.

If the outcome comes up roses...despite him...(which would be validated by stats) that doesnt necessarily reflect on the quality of his situational play.
Watching the details of the game is important.

As I said...improved...sure. I can agree with that.
He is a ways from solid though.

 

[29292929]

Henri Jokiharu is the guy to go for. Good numbers. Buffalo hopefully sucks so they might move him early. They have already done business with buffalo. Righty that moves well and passed well. O ya , drafted by Stan Bowman. Expiring contract so no long term ties unless he performs. If you got them retain would be able to add even more (they lack physicality everywhere)

Not sure what cost would be probably very high.

 

[SwedishFire]

Not resigning especially Broberg was Beyond stupid. Having problems at defence isnt nice. Could had ignored to resign Brown and other scrubs. Holloway not as important, but could be one to resign too.

Carrick wasnt that important to resign.

Ekholm Bouch
Nurse Broberg
Kulak Stercher

RNH McDavid Hyman
Skinner Leon Arvidsson
Holloway Henrique Janmark
Philp Ryan Perry

Looks so much better.
Who cares if the 4th line sucks. They will play max 7 min a game.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Henri Jokiharu is the guy to go for. Good numbers. Buffalo hopefully sucks so they might move him early. They have already done business with buffalo. Righty that moves well and passed well. O ya , drafted by Stan Bowman. Expiring contract so no long term ties unless he performs. If you got them retain would be able to add even more (they lack physicality everywhere)

Not sure what cost would be probably very high.

If they trade him they're only RHD left would be Connor Clifton

 

[Scrapin Ice]

A '26 second and Dermott and Max Wanner for Kovacevic -- he's been playing top pair while Hughes and Pesce were out and did quite good moving the puck to Siggy and defending and brought some toughness. Both Hughes and Pesce are back. This has pushed Simon Nemec (who they want to develop) out of the lineup. NJD showcased Kovacevic last game. Who cares we could have had him for next to nothing in the summer. Might seem like a lot to you guys but it does quite a few things for us. Its also the price you pay for horrendous professional scouting and poor signings without much vision.


Trade Olivier Rodrigue to Milwaukee Admirals (Nashville) with a 3rd '26 for Matt Murray.

 

[belair]

I'd rather wait and see how Nemec is handled by the Devils. Kind of a Broberg-like situation happening there seeing Hamilton and Pesce there signed long-term.

 

[The Nuge]

I'd rather wait and see how Nemec is handled by the Devils. Kind of a Broberg-like situation happening there seeing Hamilton and Pesce there signed long-term.

Or Jiricek who already wants out

 

[North]

A '26 second and Dermott and Max Wanner for Kovacevic -- he's been playing top pair while Hughes and Pesce were out and did quite good moving the puck to Siggy and defending and brought some toughness. Both Hughes and Pesce are back. This has pushed Simon Nemec (who they want to develop) out of the lineup. NJD showcased Kovacevic last game. Who cares we could have had him for next to nothing in the summer. Might seem like a lot to you guys but it does quite a few things for us. Its also the price you pay for horrendous professional scouting and poor signings without much vision.


Trade Olivier Rodrigue to Milwaukee Admirals (Nashville) with a 3rd '26 for Matt Murray.

Put down the alcohol and go to sleep.

What a ridiculous trade idea.

 

[belair]

Put down the alcohol and go to sleep.

What a ridiculous trade idea.

It's the same poster who wanted those two a couple of years back. Pretty sure they were moving Broberg for the D when he was a Hab. Murray is 26 now and still can't find any way onto an NHL squad.

 

[Spawn]

A '26 second and Dermott and Max Wanner for Kovacevic -- he's been playing top pair while Hughes and Pesce were out and did quite good moving the puck to Siggy and defending and brought some toughness. Both Hughes and Pesce are back. This has pushed Simon Nemec (who they want to develop) out of the lineup. NJD showcased Kovacevic last game. Who cares we could have had him for next to nothing in the summer. Might seem like a lot to you guys but it does quite a few things for us. Its also the price you pay for horrendous professional scouting and poor signings without much vision.


Trade Olivier Rodrigue to Milwaukee Admirals (Nashville) with a 3rd '26 for Matt Murray.

Hey I remember you! Why the new account?

 

[Scrapin Ice]

I'd rather wait and see how Nemec is handled by the Devils. Kind of a Broberg-like situation happening there seeing Hamilton and Pesce there signed long-term.

Nemec projects though as a top pair guy who if he develops we won't have the cap space to afford. (Supposing we are signing Bouchard long term).
Or maybe I have a lack on how to jumble the cap long term. Don't we need someone relatively 'cheap' for the next 3-5 years that can move up and down the right side as needed? Someone experienced defensively that doesn't make a slew of rookie mistakes.