Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Where's the Beef?

[blue_n_copper]

I must have misinterpreted it, it was that podcast explaining accuring space/LTIR. Also said you cannot combine LTIR and accuring cap together.

My understanding is that you cannot exceed the cap using LTIR and accrue cap space. Just having a player on LTIR is fine as long as you don't go over the cap while he is there.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Seravalli and Stauffer say Kane has been feeling great and it’s been confirmed pretty much by Weekes that he’s back by the New Year… lmaooo

 

[Heavy Dee]

Foegele "thriving" is the other end of the "Arvy and Emberson suck" spectrum.

Foegele is exactly what he's always been, and until last night had 1 point on the season through 8 games.

Prop up one player on 8 games played, and knock down others on 8 games played.

Now do McLeod.

 

[Spawn]

With the accrued cap space we will potentially have, there will be no shortage of cap to add basically anyone we want.

The bigger challenge is going to be who is actually available and will we have the assets to outbid other teams considering our razor thin prospect pool and no 1st rounder this upcoming draft.

 

[ConnorNova0929]

Seravalli and Stauffer say Kane has been feeling great and it’s been confirmed pretty much by Weekes that he’s back by the New Year… lmaooo

Well this makes sense considering they have been handling the cap as if he will be back in-season rather than a Mark Stone situation.

 

[Mr Positive]

I heard with this cap, you cannot do more than 1 move with it. You acquire a player worth 5.25 or less and that's it. Is that true?

Yes you have to use the accrued space first and then the LTIR after. It can't be simulataneous

And it's looking like we might not use LTIR at all. Kane is coming back before then (but who knows that might be us just laying out a paper trail that we had good intentions)

 

[McTonyBrar]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1849874493054828916

Grab him to piss Drive off

 

[Fourier]

If Kane is not going to be on LTIR the whole year then the earlier he is ready the better. This is true for cap considerations as well as on ice. If they add Kane to the active roster they have the option to send someone else down and open up more space if needed.

 

[La Bamba]

Seravalli and Stauffer say Kane has been feeling great and it’s been confirmed pretty much by Weekes that he’s back by the New Year… lmaooo

With how the team looks, I wouldn't mind an earlier Kane return

 

[GOilers88]

Now do McLeod.

Why? I see nothing wrong with noting McLeod is having a good start in Buffalo.

Don't even get me started on the Ceci Top Pair part of that post. Lmao.

 

[Canovin]

A healthy Kane is better than anyone we can get on the market so just forget using LTIR.

Now the accrued cap space is another story. I’m thinking Marcus Peterson and Carrier

Ekholm-Bouchard
Petersson-Nurse
Kulak-Carrier

 

[Jumptheshark]

A healthy Kane is better than anyone we can get on the market so just forget using LTIR.

Now the accrued cap space is another story. I’m thinking Marcus Peterson and Carrier

Ekholm-Bouchard
Petersson-Nurse
Kulak-Carrier

With Peterson(you know I love my swedes) there are 3 things to factor. 1--UFA after this year--we would need a favorable sign and trade or a new contract in place at the time of the deal. We will be looking at trading 2027 first and maybe a 3rd for him. Regardless of if he has a new contract in place. 2) If the pens decide to trade him I can see a few teams doing what they can to trade for him. 3) Petereson is on 4 and Carrier is 3.75--so we would we would need more than just Kane's LTIR money to add them. We would need a team to take Kulak off our hands.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

After last night, I'm not so certain that Jarry can't still play, if you can a Nurse for Jarry move, please do.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Well this makes sense considering they have been handling the cap as if he will be back in-season rather than a Mark Stone situation.

Huh? What? Dude was injured in the playoffs, jogging around in the summer and waited till the season started to decide to do surgery. Now the Oil are accruing cap space

It's EXACTLY like the Mark Stone cap circumvention. Don't be shocked to see him play a month then take a little LTIR rest before the deadline. You can book it

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I know the cap is a whole thing, but Yamo is on waivers. The Oilers should claim him to add skill and speed to the bottom-6 and waive Dermott

 

[GOilers88]

After last night, I'm not so certain that Jarry can't still play, if you can a Nurse for Jarry move, please do.

That blows such a massive, gaping hole in an already shaky defense in favor of a goalie who isn't even a clear upgrade in net.

I'm not saying don't trade Nurse. I'm saying dumping him for another boat anchor goalie contract is worse than having Nurse in the lineup.

 

[Spawn]

After last night, I'm not so certain that Jarry can't still play, if you can a Nurse for Jarry move, please do.

I’m confused by your logic. Doesn’t last night prove the opposite? The Pens got absolutely obliterated and their 3rd string rookie managed a .920 sv% in a game that otherwise probably should have been 8-0 instead of 4-0. Meanwhile playing behind the same team Jarry has been absolutely horrible.

 

[bellagiobob]

I’m begging for everybody’s sanity please make a separate thread for Broberg and Holloway talk.

In addition to the one we already have?

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Will be an interesting journey to find a right shot top 4 d which is already showing some competition for this premium priced asset with teams like Utah, Montreal, LA prospectively in the market. The supply piece seems somewhat limited at least in early stages. Finding someone that moves the needle will be challenging and competitive.

Don't shit on this too badly haha but here's one fantasy scenario. Penguins looked cooked & likely would be wise to cap dump Karlsson to reset their cap and increase flexibility to retool or deeper rebuild their roster. Eliminate their weird redundancy with similar age, game, expensive Letang.

Karlsson's age and game has holes. But he was still a 56 point, 24:16 toi, +4 on a non playoff team +3 goal differential. 70% of his scoring at EV. He's NHL 90 percentile for top speed, 76 percentile bursts over 20 MPH, 98 percentile shot speed (using last year's NHL Edge metrics given longer sample size but they hold up this year).

Columbus is in a situation to absorb cap and be a leveraging point for double retention situations.

• What if the Penguins were to trade Karlsson with $2.5 million retention as a cap dump to Columbus for secondary pick(s), let's say a 2 & 3 round pick.
• Then flip Karlsson to Edmonton at 50% retention, $3.75 million, for next year's 1st and maybe an additional 2nd round.

Oil get their elite 2RD who can transport pucks out of zone or use his elite processor to zone exit pass to the Oilers forward groups. A strong EV producer able to absorb big minutes. And a lethal PP option who could pair with Bouchard on PP1 while giving this team another puck transporter/zone entry option to keep the flies off McDavid. Or simply arm PP2 with an elite power play driver. Finally Nurse finally gets an elite partner with complementary elite skills to mitigate team defending and get pucks out of d-zone to this team's strength of ice-tilting forward group.

 

[belair]

After last night, I'm not so certain that Jarry can't still play, if you can a Nurse for Jarry move, please do.

Jimmi, I'm not sure you understand that Darnell Nurse has a NMC. Regardless of how illogical or poor the return for him would be in some of these proposals, Nurse would ultimately nullify the deal.

You're wasting your time.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Jimmi, I'm not sure you understand that Darnell Nurse has a NMC. Regardless of how illogical or poor the return for him would be in some of these proposals, Nurse would ultimately nullify the deal.

You're wasting your time.

Sure, I don't really care it's the most significant problem on the cap

 

[Cloned]

Will be an interesting journey to find a right shot top 4 d which is already showing some competition for this premium priced asset with teams like Utah, Montreal, LA prospectively in the market. The supply piece seems somewhat limited at least in early stages. Finding someone that moves the needle will be challenging and competitive.

Don't shit on this too badly haha but here's one fantasy scenario. Penguins looked cooked & likely would be wise to cap dump Karlsson to reset their cap and increase flexibility to retool or deeper rebuild their roster. Eliminate their weird redundancy with similar age, game, expensive Letang.

Karlsson's age and game has holes. But he was still a 56 point, 24:16 toi, +4 on a non playoff team +3 goal differential. 70% of his scoring at EV. He's NHL 90 percentile for top speed, 76 percentile bursts over 20 MPH, 98 percentile shot speed (using last year's NHL Edge metrics given longer sample size but they hold up this year).

Columbus is in a situation to absorb cap and be a leveraging point for double retention situations.

• What if the Penguins were to trade Karlsson with $2.5 million retention as a cap dump to Columbus for secondary pick(s), let's say a 2 & 3 round pick.
• Then flip Karlsson to Edmonton at 50% retention, $3.75 million, for next year's 1st and maybe an additional 2nd round.

Oil get their elite 2RD who can transport pucks out of zone or use his elite processor to zone exit pass to the Oilers forward groups. A strong EV producer able to absorb big minutes. And a lethal PP option who could pair with Bouchard on PP1 while giving this team another puck transporter/zone entry option to keep the flies off McDavid. Or simply arm PP2 with an elite power play driver. Finally Nurse finally gets an elite partner with complementary elite skills to mitigate team defending and get pucks out of d-zone to this team's strength of ice-tilting forward group.

Nurse-Karlsson would be worse than what you see out of your windows on the Henday at 8:00 AM after the first big snowfall of the year.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I’m confused by your logic. Doesn’t last night prove the opposite? The Pens got absolutely obliterated and their 3rd string rookie managed a .920 sv% in a game that otherwise probably should have been 8-0 instead of 4-0. Meanwhile playing behind the same team Jarry has been absolutely horrible.

No, because once the Oilers found his weak spot he was basically ineffective. He got lit up after they found the first one.

Jarry has warts, but the pens suck.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Nurse-Karlsson would be worse than what you see out of your windows on the Henday at 8:00 AM after the first big snowfall of the year.

Not sure about that. Nurse has been solid this year outside a poor start. Karlsson's elite, fast puck movement and carry ability would move the puck out of zone faster and with more certainty. It's an issue after Ekholm Bouchard.

But regardless, the trade market being relied upon for an upgrade looks shallow and with competition that have the ammunition to dictate it.

 

[Cloned]

Not sure about that. Nurse has been solid this year outside a poor start. Karlsson's elite, fast puck movement and carry ability would move the puck out of zone faster and with more certainty. It's an issue after Ekholm Bouchard.

But regardless, the trade market being relied upon for an upgrade looks shallow and with competition that have the ammunition to dictate it.

I’d be willing to bet your mortgage that Connor Murphy is an Oiler at some point.