Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | What Do Our RFA's Sign For Edition

[Jimmi McJenkins]

What would happen to the bonuses if we traded brown at the draft next season?

One would assume, if he played the required number of games for Edmonton, that they would be an overage on Edmonton's Cap next year. The Oilers would only be moving his UFA rights.

 

[Broberg Speed]

What would happen to the bonuses if we traded brown at the draft next season?

If you could move the cap overage bonuses in a transaction along with Brown's UFA negotiating rights, which seems unlikely but I haven't seen proof one way or the other, it would cost an Oilers first round pick to do so.

Teams with the flexibility to take on dead cap should be available next season with the expected cap increase. Probably worth it from an Oilers perspective.

 

[Hemsky4pm2]

This Flyers Cates signing at $2,625M AAV isn't helping the Oilers' McLeod arb case. New high water mark for a player like McLeod.

Starting to think that a 1-year deal at $2M AAV with McLeod and 1 year $3.5M AAV with Bouchard might be necessary.

 

[Vagabond]

Not sure how this can be possible unless you include Ceci, Fogi a couple prospects and at least a 1st and a couple other picks with salary retention.

 

[Broberg Speed]

This Flyers Cates signing at $2,625M AAV isn't helping the Oilers' McLeod arb case. New high water mark for a player like McLeod.

Starting to think that a 1-year deal at $2M AAV with McLeod and 1 year $3.5M AAV with Bouchard might be necessary.

At this point, unless they trade McLeod, I want to see him go through the arbitration process.

 

[FlameChampion]

Not sure how this can be possible unless you include Ceci, Fogi a couple prospects and at least a 1st and a couple other picks with salary retention.

Makes a lot of sense from a fit point of view. But yeah I dont know how you make it work cap wise. I am just going to assume that the hockey news is credible and just looking for clicks. I think the ship has sailed on Konency here.

 

[McShogun99]

So Americans don't want to win the cup now? Is it not at least a little concerning that now both Russians and Americans don't want to play in Edmonton?

The last 30 Cups have been won by American teams. Us and Toronto are probably Canada's only hope of bringing the Cup back here anytime soon. Money and lifestyle is more important to some players. The American players that sign here came here because they want to win over anything else. That's one of the reasons why Campbell gets a free pass for last season from me.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

With Arizona running less than a 50 mil team this year and a truly average D....maybe we get to see what Kesselring might have been...hope so. He could see multiple extended cups of coffee..

I’m sorry, did you just call Arizona’s blue line “a truly average D”?

 

[Paralyzer]

Not sure how this can be possible unless you include Ceci, Fogi a couple prospects and at least a 1st and a couple other picks with salary retention.

If I had to guess, it'd be Foegele, McLeod, a 1st, and Prospect (Laughton makes 1.5M at 50% so would be a McLeod replacement pretty easily), with both being retained 50%. I can't see it working any other way. And no, I don't think Philly would retain 50%...but then again...this is the Flyers...

Edit:

Checking cap, we'd still have 4M left to re-sign Bouchard to a bridge deal (3.5M x 2 years) and we'd be set. If we needed a defence upgrade, can always trade Kulak and Ceci for that upgrade.

 

[Kelevra]

I don't understand how Debrincat is worth 7.8 but Nurse is "worth" 6.5-7M but most fans. If they had equal contracts I'm taking Nurse over Debrincat easily. Heck, its debatable for me if id take Debrincat or Nurse at their current contracts.

 

[FlameChampion]

I don't understand how Debrincat is worth 7.8 but Nurse is "worth" 6.5-7M but most fans. If they had equal contracts I'm taking Nurse over Debrincat easily. Heck, its debatable for me if id take Debrincat or Nurse at their current contracts.

I dont think I would personally want to pay Debrincat at 7.8m either. I like the player but I'm not sure you can win with him making 8m a year. Its like this for a lot of the smaller players unfortunately.

I like Nurse. Glad hes on the team (we would be way worse without him). But hes not a 9.25m dman.

 

[Spawn]

If I had to guess, it'd be Foegele, McLeod, a 1st, and Prospect (Laughton makes 1.5M at 50% so would be a McLeod replacement pretty easily), with both being retained 50%. I can't see it working any other way. And no, I don't think Philly would retain 50%...but then again...this is the Flyers...

Edit:

Checking cap, we'd still have 4M left to re-sign Bouchard to a bridge deal (3.5M x 2 years) and we'd be set. If we needed a defence upgrade, can always trade Kulak and Ceci for that upgrade.

I think it’s pretty unlikely the Flyers would use up both their remaining retention slots for the next two seasons for such a little return.

Also worth pointing out that the article that is quoted in that story also has the Oilers interested in Parayko and Pesce. Feels less like a real rumour and more like speculation (which is fine, we are entering the doldrums of summer here).

 

[FlameChampion]

If I had to guess, it'd be Foegele, McLeod, a 1st, and Prospect (Laughton makes 1.5M at 50% so would be a McLeod replacement pretty easily), with both being retained 50%. I can't see it working any other way. And no, I don't think Philly would retain 50%...but then again...this is the Flyers...

Edit:

Checking cap, we'd still have 4M left to re-sign Bouchard to a bridge deal (3.5M x 2 years) and we'd be set. If we needed a defence upgrade, can always trade Kulak and Ceci for that upgrade.

They could make the cap work if they were to do lets say McLeod + Ceci + Campbell + (firsts/prospects) for Konency@50% and Hart. Then go and sign Toews and Dumba for cheaper deals (assuming that they will sign cheap deals on the Oilers) to replace McLeod/Ceci. You can certainly make it work but its a bit of fantasy land wishing going on here (i.e. not very realistic).

 

[FlameChampion]

August 4th for McLeods arbitration date. Enjoy your holiday Kenny!

 

[McJadeddog]

If I had to guess, it'd be Foegele, McLeod, a 1st, and Prospect (Laughton makes 1.5M at 50% so would be a McLeod replacement pretty easily), with both being retained 50%. I can't see it working any other way. And no, I don't think Philly would retain 50%...but then again...this is the Flyers...

Edit:

Checking cap, we'd still have 4M left to re-sign Bouchard to a bridge deal (3.5M x 2 years) and we'd be set. If we needed a defence upgrade, can always trade Kulak and Ceci for that upgrade.

I can't see how Philly couldn't find a better deal than that though. That isn't exactly giving up much for two good forwards. Although I suppose McLeod fits Philly's window a lot better, and has good upside. Maybe if the prospect was Bourg or something. Still don't think Philly does it though.

 

[Broberg Speed]

If I had to guess, it'd be Foegele, McLeod, a 1st, and Prospect (Laughton makes 1.5M at 50% so would be a McLeod replacement pretty easily), with both being retained 50%. I can't see it working any other way. And no, I don't think Philly would retain 50%...but then again...this is the Flyers...

Edit:

Checking cap, we'd still have 4M left to re-sign Bouchard to a bridge deal (3.5M x 2 years) and we'd be set. If we needed a defence upgrade, can always trade Kulak and Ceci for that upgrade.

I'd be down with that. Great deal for Philly. They get a lot for Laughton but we get an upgrade at 3C and cap space. I wouldn't be surprised if the Flyers had to add.

Ride the current D and see what happens at the deadline. That team definitely would have a shot.

 

[The Nuge]

If I had to guess, it'd be Foegele, McLeod, a 1st, and Prospect (Laughton makes 1.5M at 50% so would be a McLeod replacement pretty easily), with both being retained 50%. I can't see it working any other way. And no, I don't think Philly would retain 50%...but then again...this is the Flyers...

Edit:

Checking cap, we'd still have 4M left to re-sign Bouchard to a bridge deal (3.5M x 2 years) and we'd be set. If we needed a defence upgrade, can always trade Kulak and Ceci for that upgrade.

When you look at their team, it kind of makes you wonder if they might retain 50% on both for the right return. They’re stuck with Petersen for 2 more years, Atkinson’s LTIR for 2, Hayes’ cap for 3, Ellis’ LTIR for 4, Risto for 4, etc. If they blow it up for 3 years, they’ll have basically cleared out all their bad contracts, and be in a position to sign a couple top UFAs and make a push.

It finishes up all their retention slots for the next couple years, so it would probably have to be an overpay.

If you could get them to swap Hart and Campbell (assuming they’re not on his 10 team NTC), and sign Bouch for ~3.5, it leaves us at ~1.6 left that we could upgrade someone now, wait to the deadline and use it for a big rental defensive acquisition, or keep open towards Brown’s overage. It also makes it doable if they only retained 50% on Konecny, but not Laughton.


It’s a massive blockbuster which we usually don’t see, but something like

Konecny (50% retained)
Laughton (50% retained)
Hart
Seeler

For

2023 1st
Foegele
McLeod
Campbell
Broberg
XB
Tullio/Savoie/Petrov

We end up with

Kane - McDavid - Brown
Nuge - Drai - Hyman
Janmark - Laughton - Konecny
Holloway - Ryan - Lavoie
Pederson

Nurse - Ceci
Ekholm - Bouchard
Kulak - Seeler
Desharnais

Skinner
Hart

 

[Anarchism]

When you look at their team, it kind of makes you wonder if they might retain 50% on both for the right return. They’re stuck with Petersen for 2 more years, Atkinson’s LTIR for 2, Hayes’ cap for 3, Ellis’ LTIR for 4, Risto for 4, etc. If they blow it up for 3 years, they’ll have basically cleared out all their bad contracts, and be in a position to sign a couple top UFAs and make a push.

It finishes up all their retention slots for the next couple years, so it would probably have to be an overpay.

If you could get them to swap Hart and Campbell (assuming they’re not on his 10 team NTC), and sign Bouch for ~3.5, it leaves us at ~1.6 left that we could upgrade someone now, wait to the deadline and use it for a big rental defensive acquisition, or keep open towards Brown’s overage. It also makes it doable if they only retained 50% on Konecny, but not Laughton.


It’s a massive blockbuster which we usually don’t see, but something like

Konecny (50% retained)
Laughton (50% retained)
Hart
Seeler

For

2023 1st
Foegele
McLeod
Campbell
Broberg
XB
Tullio/Savoie/Petrov

We end up with

Kane - McDavid - Brown
Nuge - Drai - Hyman
Janmark - Laughton - Konecny
Holloway - Ryan - Lavoie
Pederson

Nurse - Ceci
Ekholm - Bouchard
Kulak - Seeler
Desharnais

Skinner
Hart

LOL

Hart
Cates (perhaps sign and trade)
Seeler

for

Campbell
Broberg
McLeod
1st '24
2nd '24

Still Holland signs Comtois and Grant.

Kane-MCD-Hyman
RNH-Drais-Brown
Foegele-Cates-Janmark
Comtois/Holloway-Grant-Ryan

Hart
Skinner

This is a trade I proposed a few weeks ago.
Woodcroft will have to show more flexibility with his wingers.

 

[Oilers in NS]

When you look at their team, it kind of makes you wonder if they might retain 50% on both for the right return. They’re stuck with Petersen for 2 more years, Atkinson’s LTIR for 2, Hayes’ cap for 3, Ellis’ LTIR for 4, Risto for 4, etc. If they blow it up for 3 years, they’ll have basically cleared out all their bad contracts, and be in a position to sign a couple top UFAs and make a push.

It finishes up all their retention slots for the next couple years, so it would probably have to be an overpay.

If you could get them to swap Hart and Campbell (assuming they’re not on his 10 team NTC), and sign Bouch for ~3.5, it leaves us at ~1.6 left that we could upgrade someone now, wait to the deadline and use it for a big rental defensive acquisition, or keep open towards Brown’s overage. It also makes it doable if they only retained 50% on Konecny, but not Laughton.


It’s a massive blockbuster which we usually don’t see, but something like

Konecny (50% retained)
Laughton (50% retained)
Hart
Seeler

For

2023 1st
Foegele
McLeod
Campbell
Broberg
XB
Tullio/Savoie/Petrov

We end up with

Kane - McDavid - Brown
Nuge - Drai - Hyman
Janmark - Laughton - Konecny
Holloway - Ryan - Lavoie
Pederson

Nurse - Ceci
Ekholm - Bouchard
Kulak - Seeler
Desharnais

Skinner
Hart

What r the goods on this Seeler. Dont know much about him

 

[Anarchism]

I’m sorry, did you just call Arizona’s blue line “a truly average D”?

It was obviously my way of refraining from calling them Shite?
Are you TRULY unable to perceive this?

 

[The Nuge]

What r the goods on this Seeler. Dont know much about him

Nothing special really. Tough bottom pairing dman. But he’s cheap so he’s a logical choice to come back if we had to offer Broberg

 

[Anarchism]

What r the goods on this Seeler. Dont know much about him

He can defend quite well, rarely makes mistakes but has little to no offensive awareness. BUT he can toe the line and will do so!
You won't be looking for him to be making long stretch passes in transition.

 

[The Nuge]

LOL

Hart
Cates (perhaps sign and trade)
Seeler

for

Campbell
Broberg
McLeod
1st '24
2nd '24

Still Holland signs Comtois and Grant.

Kane-MCD-Hyman
RNH-Drais-Brown
Foegele-Cates-Janmark
Comtois/Holloway-Grant-Ryan

Hart
Skinner

This is a trade I proposed a few weeks ago.
Woodcroft will have to show more flexibility with his wingers.

Considering the players we were linked to aren’t in your proposal, I’m not sure it’s likely

 

[Anarchism]

Considering the players we were linked to aren’t in your proposal, I’m not sure it’s likely

Perhaps not. Yours is a dream also. I would love Konecny and Laughton but its super unreal. In your proposal Konecny could push Brown to the third ....i would love to see a Comtois-Laughton-Brown third. That would take alot of heat of the Defensive parts of the Draisaitl line. With Seeler and Hart ...that would give us more than enough to Kick Vegas. But its quality Fantasy.
Furthermore what makes you think that the "players were connected to" are for real--isn't just media speculation-guessing 95-100 percent of the time?
I would argue mine makes more sense and yours is surreal.

 

[The Nuge]

Perhaps not. Yours is a dream also. I would love Konecny and Laughton but its super unreal. In your proposal Konecny could push Brown to the third ....i would love to see a Comtois-Laughton-Brown third. That would take alot of heat of the Defensive parts of the Draisaitl line. With Seeler and Hart ...that would give us more than enough to Kick Vegas. But its quality Fantasy.
Furthermore what makes you think that the "players were connected to" are for real--isn't just media speculation-guessing 95-100 percent of the time?
I would argue mine makes more sense and yours is surreal.

We’ve been linked to Konecny for a long time now. They’re trying to move Hart, and Campbell hasn’t work as planned. The rumour about Laughton is logical if McLeod’s wanting too much money. I don’t see why piecing together a deal around that seems crazy