Rumor: Rumors & Proposals thread: Vatanen gone as well

[PKSpecialist]

I wondered about Chychrun. He seems to be the forgotten man right now.

I've been reading a fair bit about Tkachuck lately since it seems like he's the guy the Oilers are leaning towards. Some people have definite concerns over his skating which worries me a bit.

Tkachuk's skating is not a strength, but it isn't so bad that it needs to be a concern either. His game is mostly played from the hashmarks in. He would be a fine pick.(not the one I would make, but a fine pick)

To add to that, there isn't a bad pick in this bunch that everyone is debating. We are going to get a heck of a player at 4. Outside of being soft, I think Nylander would be a great fit on McDavid's wing as well. He is probably the top offensive threat in this draft as far as playing at pace. Laine and Matthews are shooters. Puljujarvi is fast and savvy, but everything Nylander does is at top speed. Probably not a great fit on the Oilers given the current makeup of the team, but if they are shaking up that makeup anyways, he too would be a solid addition.

 

[jeg]

I wondered about Chychrun. He seems to be the forgotten man right now.

I've been reading a fair bit about Tkachuck lately since it seems like he's the guy the Oilers are leaning towards. Some people have definite concerns over his skating which worries me a bit.

Chychrun is ranked past 12 on some mock ups, he is a steal after 8 This is a player that if he slides a good team should trade down and steal him. I feel the main reason he's slide so far is due to over scouting and excessive hype entering the year. Typical case of a player under the microscope. I do t believe oilers should draft him 4 but he should be on the radar

 

[Faelko]

Tkachuk's skating is not a strength, but it isn't so bad that it needs to be a concern either. His game is mostly played from the hashmarks in. He would be a fine pick.(not the one I would make, but a fine pick)

To add to that, there isn't a bad pick in this bunch that everyone is debating. We are going to get a heck of a player at 4. Outside of being soft, I think Nylander would be a great fit on McDavid's wing as well. He is probably the top offensive threat in this draft as far as playing at pace. Laine and Matthews are shooters. Puljujarvi is fast and savvy, but everything Nylander does is at top speed. Probably not a great fit on the Oilers given the current makeup of the team, but if they are shaking up that makeup anyways, he too would be a solid addition.

Thanks for the info!

 

[Faelko]

Chychrun is ranked past 12 on some mock ups, he is a steal after 8 This is a player that if he slides a good team should trade down and steal him. I feel the main reason he's slide so far is due to over scouting and excessive hype entering the year. Typical case of a player under the microscope. I do t believe oilers should draft him 4 but he should be on the radar

Interesting. Would be quite a draft if the Oilers could get another pick and land both him and Tkachuck.

 

[North]

Who's the experts I'm not with? Pronman who had a horrible list? I think you might want to wait until draft before you say I dunno what I'm talking about.

And Nylander is by far more offensively skilled then Dubois. It's really not close if you take their size out of the equation. Nylander was 2PPG for a brutal Steelheads team in the playoffs. That tells you a bit about his skill.

Yet Dubois is still ranked higher.

I don't have to wait until the draft to know that advocating for the Oilers to draft for need rather than BPA is counter to what good organizations do.

 

[rockinghockey]

How has this turned in to a draft thread

 

[Stud Muffin]

Here's Sergachevs
RANKINGS Ranked #8 by Hockeyprospect.com
Ranked #10 by ISS Hockey
Ranked #9 by Future Considerations
Ranked #14 by McKeen's Hockey
Ranked #8 by NHL Central Scouting (NA Skaters)

 

[Raab]

How has this turned in to a draft thread

You can thank Joe Sakic for taking Barrie off the table.

 

[Raab]

Here's Sergachevs
RANKINGS Ranked #8 by Hockeyprospect.com
Ranked #10 by ISS Hockey
Ranked #9 by Future Considerations
Ranked #14 by McKeen's Hockey
Ranked #8 by NHL Central Scouting (NA Skaters)

Where was Lindholm ranked or OEL? You have to watch these guys to really get an appreciation for their games.

 

[North]

Where was Lindholm ranked or OEL? You have to watch these guys to really get an appreciation for their games.

The scouts do watch them and none of them agree with your belief.

I'm done talking about it in this thread. We've hijacked it enough and you haven't convinced me that taking Sergachev is the right choice based on your own opinion.

 

[jeg]

Interesting. Would be quite a draft if the Oilers could get another pick and land both him and Tkachuck.

I think we should think about it I know many people don't want a 1st being an asset returned from a trade but if we get another pick in the top 10 and grab a D we have a nice basket o players ready to help MacDavid push for a cup and they will be on a cheap contract. I'm torn because I want to win now because o the obvious but I see that the team is still a few years away from steady competing, and a home grown 1/2 D is what the team could use, of course it's a gamble but all picks are to some extent

 

[Stud Muffin]

Where was Lindholm ranked or OEL? You have to watch these guys to really get an appreciation for their games.

What the **** do you think those scouts do? I have him at 6 myself but that dosent change were legit scouting services have him. Your going a little over board trying to sell your player.

 

[Raab]

I do. It took a lot for me to actually drop Chychrun from 3 to 4, but I finally did it after Puljujarvi's performance at the U18's. I really don't understand the hate that Chychrun got this year. He put up the numbers I would have expected and save his poor start (where I've been told injury/sickness played a part) he was exceptional.

People are scared to draft defensemen because they are uncertain about theirs and other's ability to properly project them. I get it I guess, but I am sold on Chychrun. I take him at 4 without hesitation. I have also moved Sergachev to number 5 on my list. That's right, I would draft Chychrun and Sergachev ahead of Dubois/Nylander/Tkachuk, and that is not drafting for need, that is my best player available board. And if you have ever followed my rankings, I don't make my rankings for clickbait, it is a pure ranking based on hundreds of hours of watching these prospects so that I can look back 5/10 years from now and prove myself right or wrong.

My main problem with Chychrun is where he plays. If selected I don't know if I'd want him going back to Sarnia given they're development record. Also kind of leery of his upside. I think at worst he's a guy like Zach Bogosian, if he hits he could be maybe someone like Ekblad.

I think a lot of people on this board might not understand how close these prospects are. IMO not much seperating 4-10. I think a case could be made for anyone of Tkachuk, Dubois, Nylander, Sergachev, Chychrun, Juolevi, Brown at 4 depending on the scout and team.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

I didn't realize Chychruns dad played with MacT and Bucky on the 94 Oilers.

This is a true test for the OBC.

 

[Gretzky to Kurri]

Why are we trading our best defender in Klefbom? If we're offering that massive package, we better be getting Doughty, Karlsson, OEL, or Hedman. Maybe Pietrangelo.

First of all, I have not seen nearly enough of Kbom to anoint him of anything. I am not sure why some see him that way- YET.

Second, I think you caught my drift. If you want to go to the dance...

I'll add to your list:
Subban, Keith, Giordano, Burns...

 

[PKSpecialist]

My main problem with Chychrun is where he plays. If selected I don't know if I'd want him going back to Sarnia given they're development record. Also kind of leery of his upside. I think at worst he's a guy like Zach Bogosian, if he hits he could be maybe someone like Ekblad.

I think a lot of people on this board might not understand how close these prospects are. IMO not much seperating 4-10. I think a case could be made for anyone of Tkachuk, Dubois, Nylander, Sergachev, Chychrun, Juolevi, Brown at 4 depending on the scout and team.

Certainly playing in Sarnia is a stifling offensive proposition, but I think it is great for his defensive development. That said, Chychrun played at a point per game pace down the stretch while still being solid defensively and showing all the intangibles. I'm not huge on comparisons, but I heard/read someone compare Chychrun to Jovanovski, and that is probably the best one I have heard. He is probably a better skater but not quite as physical as Jovanovski was, but very similar players. For my money, the being a better skater is more important in today's league that the being more physical.

 

[Halibut]

No. Not picking the bpa will give the Flames a far better player than they would have gotten.

Drafting for need is ridiculous and something a smart organization wouldn't do.

There is no such thing as BPA it's all who is projected to turn out the best in the long run and those projections are rarely entirely correct. It's all a gamble and you cant guarantee which pick will leave the Flames the better player. If we were drafting at 21 and we took a player rated 24th nobody would bat an eye but because of all the hype around the draft and the top prospects the slight difference in who's rated highest seems like it's a mountain when really it isnt.

 

[Alberta Oilfire]

Trade Poulliot + to ANA for Vatanen, Flip Vatanen, 32nd & Yakupov to NYI for Hamonic.

 

[McXLNC97]

Trade Poulliot + to ANA for Vatanen, Flip Vatanen, 32nd & Yakupov to NYI for Hamonic.

I'd rather just keep Vatanen. Hamonic doesn't provide any offense, and what the Oilers need most are puck moving dmen.

 

[Soundwave]

Keep this year's pick. Offer sheet Vatanen and/or Jones.

 

[The Nuge]

Keep this year's pick. Offer sheet Vatanen and/or Jones.

I'd love to give a big money offer sheet to Jones, that Columbus would have a hard time stomaching. Like, 7x7. He's an up and coming stud #1.

 

[McTrashBoat]

I'd love to give a big money offer sheet to Jones, that Columbus would have a hard time stomaching. Like, 7x7. He's an up and coming stud #1.

Although it's probably best not to offersheet, we could be stuck without other options. And Columbus is in absolute Cap Hell, they've got Rene Bourque expiring at 3.3 mil, as well as William Karlsson at <1 mil.

So 5 mil in Cap space, 2 forwards to probably sign, plus Jones.

Could they ever match 7?

Count me in on this idea

 

[McWeber]

I think Barrie could be an OS target, if the Avs are willing to take him to arbitration then its likely you could OS him to a long term deal they wouldn't be willing to match. The price paid for Seth Jones makes it nearly impossible for them not to match.

 

[Soundwave]

Although it's probably best not to offersheet, we could be stuck without other options. And Columbus is in absolute Cap Hell, they've got Rene Bourque expiring at 3.3 mil, as well as William Karlsson at <1 mil.

So 5 mil in Cap space, 2 forwards to probably sign, plus Jones.

Could they ever match 7?

Count me in on this idea

You could front load to really make it hard

8.75/8/7/7/6/6/6 = 7 per cap hit, but Columbus would be paying probably beyond the salary cap in actually salary for a couple of years ... don't think they want anything to do with that.

I give them the choice of either matching that offer sheet or taking Nugent Hopkins straight across.

It's ****ing ruthless, but maybe it's time for that approach.

 

[McXLNC97]

Although it's probably best not to offersheet, we could be stuck without other options. And Columbus is in absolute Cap Hell, they've got Rene Bourque expiring at 3.3 mil, as well as William Karlsson at <1 mil.

So 5 mil in Cap space, 2 forwards to probably sign, plus Jones.

Could they ever match 7?

Count me in on this idea

I'd be like, Hey Jarmo, just pass on Puljujarvi at #3 and we won't offersheet Jones.