Rumor: Rumors & Proposals thread: Vatanen gone as well

[Stud Muffin]

I'm a little rusty on my French, but I believe that says the Habs would retain 5% on Subban's contract in a deal with Edmonton for two AHLers, a Porsche convertible, and a trip to Vienna.

Touché

 

[Raab]

Dubois' versatility and the fact that he has size and skill and can be aggressive make him a far better choice than Nylander.

Not really, just because Pouliot is bigger and more versatile doesn't mean he's better then Gaudreau. I think anyone who's watched both Nylander and Dubois would tell you Nylander has a better offensive skill set. If Nylander was Dubois's size this draft would have a big 4 IMO.

 

[duul]

Hall for Burns extended. Who says no?

Nobody on earth.

 

[McTrashBoat]

Touché

Can anybody translate?

 

[North]

Not really, just because Pouliot is bigger and more versatile doesn't mean he's better then Gaudreau. I think anyone who's watched both Nylander and Dubois would tell you Nylander has a better offensive skill set. If Nylander was Dubois's size this draft would have a big 4 IMO.

Nope. Dubois is perfectly suited for the West and is very skilled.

There is a reason nobody puts Nylander ahead and it's not just size.

 

[Jet Walters]

Can anybody translate?

Touching other posters is against the rules on HFBoards

 

[rockinghockey]

Its not drafting for need. Drafting one of Dubois or Tkachuk would be considered drafting for need. If you're drafting Sergachev at 4 its because you think he's a top pairing dman down the road, which is worth more then the two 2nd line left wingers available at 4.

Your wrong if we pick a dman it is drafting for need as no one has a dman on their list at 4

 

[Sempiternal]

Aren't you watching the NBA Finals?

 

[Halibut]

You're kidding yourself.

Calgary would take Dubois/Tkachuk. Whoever is available and would be a better team for it and the Oilers would be kicking themselves for giving them a piece they desperately need.

You make it sound like we are giving them McDavid. No matter who we take the Flames are probably getting a good player just like us because they were so ******. There is nothing we can do to prevent the flames drafting a good player and as others have noted picking the d-man could turn out better than picking the forward.

 

[DrDrai]

Player very likely to use inflator.

Everything indicates that the NHLPA will agree to increase the salary cap by 5% next year. Final decision will come within 2 weeks.

 

[McTrashBoat]

Touching other posters is against the rules on HFBoards

Somebody should have said something ages ago

 

[North]

You make it sound like we are giving them McDavid. No matter who we take the Flames are probably getting a good player just like us because they were so ******. There is nothing we can do to prevent the flames drafting a good player and as others have noted picking the d-man could turn out better than picking the forward.

No. Not picking the bpa will give the Flames a far better player than they would have gotten.

Drafting for need is ridiculous and something a smart organization wouldn't do.

 

[Raab]

Nope. Dubois is perfectly suited for the West and is very skilled.

There is a reason nobody puts Nylander ahead and it's not just size.

Im telling you right now 100% Nylander is more skilled then Dubois offensively. Dubois may be the better 200ft player and have size but Nylander has the potential to be a great 1st line winger. Dubois to me is more a 1st/2nd line tweener but is more solid defensively.

 

[jeg]

I'm calling it, like it or not
RNH for Ellis, Nash 1st and B prospect
Nash 1st and Yak for 9th
4Oa = Pul/tkach
9OA = chec/ Serg

We grab a PP D on a great contract and land two high end protected prospects who will help the team out possibly as soon as next year most likely the year after. We could do better but could do worse just my prediction.

 

[Narnia]

Hall for Burns extended. Who says no?

Nope

 

[Raab]

Your wrong if we pick a dman it is drafting for need as no one has a dman on their list at 4

No one that you know of has a dman on their list at 4. I'm willing to bet a few NHL teams have Sergachev in their top 5. I know I would take him easily over Dubois and I have him neck in neck with Tkachuk.

 

[North]

Im telling you right now 100% Nylander is more skilled then Dubois offensively. Dubois may be the better 200ft player and have size but Nylander has the potential to be a great 1st line winger. Dubois to me is more a 1st/2nd line tweener but is more solid defensively.

Your perception. I disagree.

 

[North]

No one that you know of has a dman on their list at 4. I'm willing to bet a few NHL teams have Sergachev in their top 5. I know I would take him easily over Dubois and I have him neck in neck with Tkachuk.

How long have you been a scout?

The fact is you are on an island and not many experts agree with you. I think I'll listen to the people who get paid to do this and who pretty much universally have Tkachuk/Dubois at 4 and Sergachev further down.

 

[ponokanocker]

I'm calling it, like it or not
RNH for Ellis, Nash 1st and B prospect
Nash 1st and Yak for 9th
4Oa = Pul/tkach
9OA = chec/ Serg

We grab a PP D on a great contract and land two high end protected prospects who will help the team out possibly as soon as next year most likely the year after. We could do better but could do worse just my prediction.

If true, I hope they pick up a quality C to replace RNH to take the tough assignments.

 

[Faelko]

I'm calling it, like it or not
RNH for Ellis, Nash 1st and B prospect
Nash 1st and Yak for 9th
4Oa = Pul/tkach
9OA = chec/ Serg

We grab a PP D on a great contract and land two high end protected prospects who will help the team out possibly as soon as next year most likely the year after. We could do better but could do worse just my prediction.

I don't think Yak and Nash 1st will get you 9th.

I think Ellis would be a good target, not that he'd solve all our problems but he'd be an upgrade on any RHD we currently have.

I wonder if Fowler will be made available? I know he's a LHD but we could move Sekera to the Right side.

Fowler - Sekera
Klefbom - Ellis
Reinhart/Nurse - Davidson

Although that's 2 guys playing on their weak sides.

 

[PKSpecialist]

Your wrong if we pick a dman it is drafting for need as no one has a dman on their list at 4

I do. It took a lot for me to actually drop Chychrun from 3 to 4, but I finally did it after Puljujarvi's performance at the U18's. I really don't understand the hate that Chychrun got this year. He put up the numbers I would have expected and save his poor start (where I've been told injury/sickness played a part) he was exceptional.

People are scared to draft defensemen because they are uncertain about theirs and other's ability to properly project them. I get it I guess, but I am sold on Chychrun. I take him at 4 without hesitation. I have also moved Sergachev to number 5 on my list. That's right, I would draft Chychrun and Sergachev ahead of Dubois/Nylander/Tkachuk, and that is not drafting for need, that is my best player available board. And if you have ever followed my rankings, I don't make my rankings for clickbait, it is a pure ranking based on hundreds of hours of watching these prospects so that I can look back 5/10 years from now and prove myself right or wrong.

 

[jeg]

At this point I thing grab in a good available left D and moving Sekera to the Right side might be the most cost effective and best ways to improve the back end.
I hope that Yaks value is enough to move up 6-8 spots in the draft the wilds pick is probably work best as a pairing to get to 9

 

[Faelko]

I do. It took a lot for me to actually drop Chychrun from 3 to 4, but I finally did it after Puljujarvi's performance at the U18's. I really don't understand the hate that Chychrun got this year. He put up the numbers I would have expected and save his poor start (where I've been told injury/sickness played a part) he was exceptional.

People are scared to draft defensemen because they are uncertain about theirs and other's ability to properly project them. I get it I guess, but I am sold on Chychrun. I take him at 4 without hesitation. I have also moved Sergachev to number 5 on my list. That's right, I would draft Chychrun and Sergachev ahead of Dubois/Nylander/Tkachuk, and that is not drafting for need, that is my best player available board. And if you have ever followed my rankings, I don't make my rankings for clickbait, it is a pure ranking based on hundreds of hours of watching these prospects so that I can look back 5/10 years from now and prove myself right or wrong.

I wondered about Chychrun. He seems to be the forgotten man right now.

I've been reading a fair bit about Tkachuck lately since it seems like he's the guy the Oilers are leaning towards. Some people have definite concerns over his skating which worries me a bit.

 

[PKSpecialist]

Im telling you right now 100% Nylander is more skilled then Dubois offensively. Dubois may be the better 200ft player and have size but Nylander has the potential to be a great 1st line winger. Dubois to me is more a 1st/2nd line tweener but is more solid defensively.

Couldn't agree with you more. If only taking offense into account, and no other intangibles, Nylander is ahead of Dubois. It's almost like a Kane/Toews argument. Who is more valuable? I bet you can find many people who will give you different answers, but who is better offensively? Kane hands down.

 

[Raab]

How long have you been a scout?

The fact is you are on an island and not many experts agree with you. I think I'll listen to the people who get paid to do this and who pretty much universally have Tkachuk/Dubois at 4 and Sergachev further down.

Who's the experts I'm not with? Pronman who had a horrible list? I think you might want to wait until draft before you say I dunno what I'm talking about.

And Nylander is by far more offensively skilled then Dubois. It's really not close if you take their size out of the equation. Nylander was 2PPG for a brutal Steelheads team in the playoffs. That tells you a bit about his skill.