Rumor: Rumors & Proposals thread: Vatanen gone as well

[belair]

For the pp

Give Davidson some time. He's got a bomb.

 

[Jet Walters]

I feel the same way, I was extremely against picking up Schenn when people wanted to pay an arm and a leg for him or when he was attached to a $3.6M contract, but on a more reasonable contract I have no problem with him & I suspect he'd outperform Gryba providing many of the same elements, but a bit better with the puck on his stick.

Definitely an upgrade on Gryba. Seems a little more willing to drop the mitts too with 38 career fights to Gryba's 11. Definitely similar players but I take Schenn of the money was similar.

Fun fact of the day: both players were born in Saskatoon.

 

[Draiskull]

Give Davidson some time. He's got a bomb.

yeaa no... We need to get a PPQB even if costs us Hall..

enough of this giving time to Nurse, Davidson, Oesterle, Reinhart.. They can all develop on the bottom pairing or AHL while we ice an NHL top 4.

 

[40oz]

If it comes to it, I'd sign Campbell to a short term contract.

Sekera - Vatanen
Campbell - Klefbom
Davidson - Fayne
Pardy/Gryba/etc...

 

[oilinblood]

yeaa no... We need to get a PPQB even if costs us Hall..

enough of this giving time to Nurse, Davidson, Oesterle, Reinhart.. They can all develop on the bottom pairing or AHL while we ice an NHL top 4.

are you saying having people who are proven is better than wait and hope approach? are you saying an nhl team should have players actually graduate levels and develop into roles? are you saying the NHL isnt a grade school?

News to me...im an oilers fan. btw what does an nhl team look like?

 

[belair]

yeaa no... We need to get a PPQB even if costs us Hall..

enough of this giving time to Nurse, Davidson, Oesterle, Reinhart.. They can all develop on the bottom pairing or AHL while we ice an NHL top 4.

For the 2nd unit...

We don't need to get two new defensemen at $5m+ because we need a shot on both units.

 

[Narnia]

Drafting BPA has put the Oilers where they are. Time to draft for need.

If this team drafts another ****ing forward then it's just proof that nothing has really changed.

You don't draft for need at #4. Oilers D is actually getting criminally underrated.

 

[Stud Muffin]

yeaa no... We need to get a PPQB even if costs us Hall..

enough of this giving time to Nurse, Davidson, Oesterle, Reinhart.. They can all develop on the bottom pairing or AHL while we ice an NHL top 4.

Don't be stupid. This team isn't good enough or deep enough to trade Hall. A PPQB should be lower on the list than getting a guy to play the tough Minutes. Also I think Klefbom could run the PP, he did it last year with success.

 

[Narnia]

With the expansion draft upcoming I have a strong feeling that if Chia can't acquire a true top pairing or potential #1D further along in development, he's going to draft Sergachev (probably through a trade down) and then make another trade/signing for a second pairing Dman. Acquiring 2 top 4 D just makes us expose one of them in a year so I don't think he will "waste" the assets.

Those proposals are a joke and the Oilers would get fleeced and HFOil would tear him to shreds.

 

[belair]

Definitely an upgrade on Gryba. Seems a little more willing to drop the mitts too with 38 career fights to Gryba's 11. Definitely similar players but I take Schenn of the money was similar.

Fun fact of the day: both players were born in Saskatoon.

I think Schenn takes you to around $2m. If we go for him, we're probably not the only suitors.

 

[Raab]

You don't draft for need at #4. Oilers D is actually getting criminally underrated.

What if people value the dman as BPA at 4? I don't think its out of the realm of possibility to envision Sergachev turning out better then Tkachuk 5 years down the road.

 

[oilinblood]

What if people value the dman as BPA at 4? I don't think its out of the realm of possibility to envision Sergachev turning out better then Tkachuk 5 years down the road.

yay five more years of AHL hockey at NHL prices. 5 years of COnnor wasted. 5 years of a useful asset or 5 years waiting. If an EKblad was in this draft its easy but scouts have consistently said none of these guys are near ready.

who is the more valuable asset. who can e flip in one or two years. who can help us move out a valuable asset.

BPA BPA BPA BPA BPA everyone will pay for BPA. BPA BPA

Chia better flip the compete switch or get out of town. We make playoffs next year or his head rolls.

 

[Jet Walters]

I think Schenn takes you to around $2m. If we go for him, we're probably not the only suitors.

I bet the Saskatchewan boy would be quite open to playing here if the money is similar. Maybe Chia's meeting with Hextall involved trade talks for Brayden. Schenn Bros would crank up the give-a-sh!t meter around these parts.

 

[Raab]

yay five more years of AHL hockey at NHL prices

If you want to fix the team tomorrow you sign a UFA or make a trade. You don't draft them at this point in the rebuild. If we want another winger to improve the team next year sign one of: Eriksson, Lucic, Mcguinn, Boedker, Ladd, Okoposo, all of which would have a bigger impact on the team next year then Tkachuk or Dubois.

Edit: After looking at your post who do you think has more trade value. Dylan Strome, Pavel Zacha, or Ivan Provorov? Id say its easily Provorov.

 

[Jet Walters]

If you want to fix the team tomorrow you sign a UFA or make a trade. You don't draft them at this point in the rebuild. If we want another winger to improve the team next year sign one of: Eriksson, Lucic, Mcguinn, Boedker, Ladd, Okoposo, all of which would have a bigger impact on the team next year then Tkachuk or Dubois.

Very true. BPA is such a BS argument. It's a crapshoot predicting what a 17-18 year old will contribute at 22.

Also, there are so many factors that determine how these kids develop. If Tkackuk is stuck behind Hall on the 2nd line for the better part of his career his production will reflect that. If Sergachev is on the 1st unit PP in three years with McDavid feeding him his production will reflect that too.

 

[oilinblood]

If you want to fix the team tomorrow you sign a UFA or make a trade. You don't draft them at this point in the rebuild. If we want another winger to improve the team next year sign one of: Eriksson, Lucic, Mcguinn, Boedker, Ladd, Okoposo, all of which would have a bigger impact on the team next year then Tkachuk or Dubois.

Edit: After looking at your post who do you think has more trade value. Dylan Strome, Pavel Zacha, or Ivan Provorov? Id say its easily Provorov.

ok i see

id say the 6 guys selected ahead of him and 9 of the top 10 picks of 2014 are worth more

You can go ask the Devils if they move Zacha. I think they say no way.

 

[McPuritania]

All it took was one rumour of Barrie not being available to send this board from licking our chops at the coming barrage of trades, to being on suicide watch.

 

[Gone]

As much as I want to take the best possible player, we are so lacking on quality D-men that we should just take the best D-man available at 4. Whatever we have in our system is years away from contributing and top 2 d-men never seem to come available as UFA's.

 

[Jet Walters]

As much as I want to take the best possible player, we are so lacking on quality D-men that we should just take the best D-man available at 4. Whatever we have in our system is years away from contributing and top 2 d-men never seem to come available as UFA's.

And give the Flames a pain in the ass power forward? I don't think so. Arizona/Buffalo/Montreal have
to be interested in our pick.

 

[Raab]

ok i see

id say the 6 guys selected ahead of him and the top 10 picks of 2014

I dunno, I don't think Philly moves Provorov for Strome who was taken at 3. As for 2014 I don't think the NYI could trade Micheal Dal Colle for him. Even guys like Bennett and Draisaitl are questionable IMO.

 

[Draiskull]

If you want to fix the team tomorrow you sign a UFA or make a trade. You don't draft them at this point in the rebuild. If we want another winger to improve the team next year sign one of: Eriksson, Lucic, Mcguinn, Boedker, Ladd, Okoposo, all of which would have a bigger impact on the team next year then Tkachuk or Dubois.

Edit: After looking at your post who do you think has more trade value. Dylan Strome, Pavel Zacha, or Ivan Provorov? Id say its easily Provorov.

Like the selective comparisons.. If you are adding Strome then you should also add Marner.
Also, Zacha had an awesome season last year.. 2PPG in NHL PPG in AHL and dominated the OHL. Provorov isnt a clear upgrade over him.

Dubois would be redundant but the Oilers have no one with Tkachuk's skillset. The kid seems like a powerforward version of Eberle and one could only drool at the thought of him on McDavid's line during his prime.

 

[North]

Like the selective comparisons.. If you are adding Strome then you should also add Marner.
Also, Zacha had an awesome season last year.. 2PPG in NHL PPG in AHL and dominated the OHL. Provorov isnt a clear upgrade over him.

Dubois would be redundant but the Oilers have no one with Tkachuk's skillset. The kid seems like a powerforward version of Eberle and one could only drool at the thought of him on McDavid's line during his prime.

Imagine bypassing him at 4 to take Sergachev and sending Tkachuk straight into Calgary's arms.

 

[North]

As much as I want to take the best possible player, we are so lacking on quality D-men that we should just take the best D-man available at 4. Whatever we have in our system is years away from contributing and top 2 d-men never seem to come available as UFA's.

The problem is that Sergachev would be years away from contributing as well.

 

[Raab]

And give the Flames a pain in the ass power forward? I don't think so. Arizona/Buffalo/Montreal have
to be interested in our pick.

Whats better from our side: Signing Lucic and drafting Sergachev or drafting Dubois/Tkachuk and signing Demers? How does it play out for Calgary in those scenario's? Whats worse?

Calgary having a top 6 of: Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett, Dubois, Backlund, Frolik

or

Having a top 4 of: Giordano, Brodie, Sergachev, Hamilton?


Im more for us signing Lucic and drafting Sergachev as it has the best chance of paying off next year and in the future. It also stops Calgary from becoming an absolute powerhouse on defence. I don't know how you'd beat them if they get a half decent goalie and Sergachev turns out.

 

[Raab]

Imagine bypassing him at 4 to take Sergachev and sending Tkachuk straight into Calgary's arms.

Vancouver would take Tkachuk, Calgary would pick between Nylander and Dubois. And I could see them taking Nylander over Dubois.