Rumor: Rumors & Proposals thread: Vatanen gone as well

[Sempiternal]

What's the plan Chia? I'm waiting anxiously for a trade. Don't screw this up!

 

[North]

Whats better from our side: Signing Lucic and drafting Sergachev or drafting Dubois/Tkachuk and signing Demers? How does it play out for Calgary in those scenario's? Whats worse?

Calgary having a top 6 of: Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett, Dubois, Backlund, Frolik

or

Having a top 4 of: Giordano, Brodie, Sergachev, Hamilton?


Im more for us signing Lucic and drafting Sergachev as it has the best chance of paying off next year and in the future. It also stops Calgary from becoming an absolute powerhouse on defence. I don't know how you'd beat them if they get a half decent goalie and Sergachev turns out.

Who says Lucic signs with us?

Who says Calgary picks Sergachev?

These are all maybes.

Also, you're better of drafting Tkachuk and hopefully sign Demers because that helps your defense next year. Not five years down the line.

 

[oilinblood]

I dunno, I don't think Philly moves Provorov for Strome who was taken at 3. As for 2014 I don't think the NYI could trade Micheal Dal Colle for him. Even guys like Bennett and Draisaitl are questionable IMO.

and i still think Samsonov will be the most valuable of all those mentioned but he doesnt have that value now...because...hes still a mystery box like strome and provorov and any thumb sucker not earning adult pay

 

[Birdperson]

Vatanen on the top pair would be a disaster. He was a sheltered second pairing/third pairing guy.

 

[North]

Vancouver would take Tkachuk, Calgary would pick between Nylander and Dubois. And I could see them taking Nylander over Dubois.

You're kidding yourself.

Calgary would take Dubois/Tkachuk. Whoever is available and would be a better team for it and the Oilers would be kicking themselves for giving them a piece they desperately need.

 

[Gretzky to Kurri]

I'm glad alot of the 'meh' 4th slotted D are disappearing off the table. Hopefully Demers re-ups or signs somewhere else. I'm actually relieved every time a '34 point in his prime D' is disappearing. If we needed a 4th D I'd be disappointed. Oil need a #1.

The old boy's club would keep the 6 million dollar men and sign 4th slot dmen to play against top competition. Then everyone would inevitably hate the D because of how poor they are when it's only because they're not equipped to play up in the rotation.

Very simple. Trade your forwards for actual top pairing D.

The meltdown, panic stricken group here...

Say you sign a couple Demers types.... What- for 4-5 yrs??? Then you got a bunch of mid pairing D. We've got those already.

Here's my offer:
What will Taylor Hall, Oscar Klefbom, and the 4th get you?
I would be willing to go that high in the right deal.

That's me if I'm Chiarelli.

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

I'm glad alot of the 'meh' 4th slotted D are disappearing off the table. Hopefully Demers re-ups or signs somewhere else. I'm actually relieved every time a '34 point in his prime D' is disappearing. If we needed a 4th D I'd be disappointed. Oil need a #1.

The old boy's club would keep the 6 million dollar men and sign 4th slot dmen to play against top competition. Then everyone would inevitably hate the D because of how poor they are when it's only because they're not equipped to play up in the rotation.

Very simple. Trade your forwards for actual top pairing D.

The meltdown, panic stricken group here...

Say you sign A couple Demers types.... What- for 4-5 yrs??? Then you got a bunch of mid pairing D. We've got those already.

Here's my offer:
What will Taylor Hall, Oscar Klefbom, and the 4th get you?

That's me if I'm Chiarelli.

Why are we trading our best defender in Klefbom? If we're offering that massive package, we better be getting Doughty, Karlsson, OEL, or Hedman. Maybe Pietrangelo.

 

[Raab]

The problem is that Sergachev would be years away from contributing as well.

This is speculation, lots of dmen taken high have stepped right into the league. Guys I can think of off the top of my head would be Hanifin, Jones, Ekblad, Doughty, Lindholm, Fowler, Murray, Trouba, Bogosian, Doughty, Hedman, OEL, etc.... No reason to think Sergachev couldn't be contributing on the team next year or the year after. Not saying that he'd be a finished product by any means, but he would be contributing at the NHL level. Let's remember even if we take a forward they typically don't contribute at a high level for at least 2-3 years. So for me if you look 3 years down the road who is contributing more to the Oilers success if both turn into what you think they will?

 

[North]

I'm glad alot of the 'meh' 4th slotted D are disappearing off the table. Hopefully Demers re-ups or signs somewhere else. I'm actually relieved every time a '34 point in his prime D' is disappearing. If we needed a 4th D I'd be disappointed. Oil need a #1.

The old boy's club would keep the 6 million dollar men and sign 4th slot dmen to play against top competition. Then everyone would inevitably hate the D because of how poor they are when it's only because they're not equipped to play up in the rotation.

Very simple. Trade your forwards for actual top pairing D.

The meltdown, panic stricken group here...

Say you sign A couple Demers types.... What- for 4-5 yrs??? Then you got a bunch of mid pairing D. We've got those already.

Here's my offer:
What will Taylor Hall, Oscar Klefbom, and the 4th get you?

That's me if I'm Chiarelli.

Good thing you're not Chiarelli.

The thing is, the Oilers don't have a bunch of mid pairing d man.

They have 3 competent D men - Sekera, Klefbom, and Davidson. They can be considered mid pairing or better.

The others not so much. Nurse may get there but he isn't there yet.

Even if the Oilers had five mid pairing d men, they'd be in a better position than they are now.

 

[Stud Muffin]

Player very likely to use inflator.

 

[Raab]

You're kidding yourself.

Calgary would take Dubois/Tkachuk. Whoever is available and would be a better team for it and the Oilers would be kicking themselves for giving them a piece they desperately need.

I don't think so, IMO Nylander has a better skill set to be a 1st line winger then Dubois.

 

[North]

This is speculation, lots of dmen taken high have stepped right into the league. Guys I can think of off the top of my head would be Hanifin, Jones, Ekblad, Doughty, Lindholm, Fowler, Murray, Trouba, Bogosian, Doughty, Hedman, OEL, etc.... No reason to think Sergachev couldn't be contributing on the team next year or the year after. Not saying that he'd be a finished product by any means, but he would be contributing at the NHL level. Let's remember even if we take a forward they typically don't contribute at a high level for at least 2-3 years. So for me if you look 3 years down the road who is contributing more to the Oilers success if both turn into what you think they will?

And yours is speculation.

We know that the forwards after the big three will probably go back to juniors and you know what? Good.

But who's to say Sergachev can step in and be effective?

Magic beans. Lather, rinse, repeat. The Oilers have gone the magic bean route.

Now's the time to get actual established d men.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

I bet the Saskatchewan boy would be quite open to playing here if the money is similar. Maybe Chia's meeting with Hextall involved trade talks for Brayden. Schenn Bros would crank up the give-a-sh!t meter around these parts.

I don't want to reunite them, they seemed to play better when they were separated. I also feel Brayden has had his stats padded a bit through playing with Giroux so we'd be paying inflated prices, Philly is also light on LW's where as we are a bit heavy on LW's.

 

[North]

I don't think so, IMO Nylander has a better skill set to be a 1st line winger then Dubois.

Dubois' versatility and the fact that he has size and skill and can be aggressive make him a far better choice than Nylander.

 

[Raab]

Who says Lucic signs with us?

Who says Calgary picks Sergachev?

These are all maybes.

Also, you're better of drafting Tkachuk and hopefully sign Demers because that helps your defense next year. Not five years down the line.

I think theres a very good chance Calgary takes Sergachev at 6 from everything I've heard and read. Lowetide has him ranked at 6 and would take him at 4. Couple Calgary blogs have guy say he's a "Calgary" type dman. They also have the big 3 up front in Gaudreau, Monahan, and Bennett. They can sign wingers or trade for them if need be.

 

[SDig14]

In the NHL today, you will likely never get a true #1 guy unless you draft him yourself.

It comes down to whether you think you can win or not by trading for and signing guys like Demers and Vatanen to go along with the young guys we have.

Every cup winner seems to have a #1 guy that plays close to 30 minutes if necessary.

I'd be OK taking a gamble and hoping that guy is in this draft.

 

[Jet Walters]

Player very likely to use inflator.

I'm a little rusty on my French, but I believe that says the Habs would retain 5% on Subban's contract in a deal with Edmonton for two AHLers, a Porsche convertible, and a trip to Vienna.

 

[North]

In the NHL today, you will likely never get a true #1 guy unless you draft him yourself.

It comes down to whether you think you can win or not by trading for and signing guys like Demers and Vatanen to go along with the young guys we have.

Every cup winner seems to have a #1 guy that plays close to 30 minutes if necessary.

I'd be OK taking a gamble and hoping that guy is in this draft.

That guy wouldn't be ready for awhile though.

It's an unnecessary risk to take.

 

[Raab]

And yours is speculation.

We know that the forwards after the big three will probably go back to juniors and you know what? Good.

But who's to say Sergachev can step in and be effective?

Magic beans. Lather, rinse, repeat. The Oilers have gone the magic bean route.

Now's the time to get actual established d men.

I'm saying do both if you can. If we can add Lucic/Eriksson/Ladd/Okoposo/Mcguinn/etc... plus sign a stop gap like Demers and draft Sergachev I'd feel a hell of a lot better on where this team is going long term. You can draft Tkachuk or Dubois and in 2 seasons were still looking for a top pairing dman. Im not saying that if we draft Sergachev he has to play in the league next year, just that he has that potential.

 

[North]

I think theres a very good chance Calgary takes Sergachev at 6 from everything I've heard and read. Lowetide has him ranked at 6 and would take him at 4. Couple Calgary blogs have guy say he's a "Calgary" type dman. They also have the big 3 up front in Gaudreau, Monahan, and Bennett. They can sign wingers or trade for them if need be.

They need wingers and they can only hope to sign one. If one was gifted to them in the draft they would take him.

Because some blogs said they would that means they would pick Sergachev?

Doesn't matter what a blog says.

Lowetide likes Sergachev but still has Dubois and Tkachuk ahead of him. I also believe he said he wouldn't pick Sergachev at 4, he'd trade back to select him.

 

[backhandsauce]

Hall for Burns extended. Who says no?

 

[North]

I'm saying do both if you can. If we can add Lucic/Eriksson/Ladd/Okoposo/Mcguinn/etc... plus sign a stop gap like Demers and draft Sergachev I'd feel a hell of a lot better on where this team is going long term. You can draft Tkachuk or Dubois and in 2 seasons were still looking for a top pairing dman. Im not saying that if we draft Sergachev he has to play in the league next year, just that he has that potential.

You believe he does but not many others do.

The only people who appear NHL ready are the top 3.

From then on most are probably going to head back to juniors.

You're taking a risk based on a gut feeling.

 

[SDig14]

That guy wouldn't be ready for awhile though.

It's an unnecessary risk to take.

Don't get me wrong, I'd deal the pick outright if we could get even a top pairing RHD. But I don't think any team is giving us that.

So, assuming we only trade roster players and keep the pick, it's pretty plausible anyone we pick at 4 will need a couple years or more.

We just have no idea how long Tkachuk, Dubois, Sergachev or Juolevi will take to develop.

If I'm the Oilers, unless I get a great deal to move down to like 7 or 8, I'm trusting the scouts and taking whoever is at the top of my board. I'm fine with any of those 4 guys to be honest.

 

[gordonhught]

That guy wouldn't be ready for awhile though.

It's an unnecessary risk to take.

I agree with you. Take another winger and flounder another year at the bottom of the league. Then NEXT year the oilers draft a Defenseman in the top 3 (once they win the lottery).

 

[Jet Walters]

Hall for Burns extended. Who says no?

That's a tough one. I'd try for an Eberle, Reinhart, pick package first. SJ was rumoured to be trying for Reinhart at the draft before the Oilers got him.