Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Post Draft, Pre Free Agent Frenzy

[K1984]

Again. Tunnel vison. It's not a buyout or nothing in this league. The Oilers simply made the choice to not trade assets for cap space. They choose to go the easy route. Buy him out.

Maybe they could have used the draft picks they wasted on Athanasiou to trade Neal and gain the whole 5.75M.

You’re not dumping that whole Neal deal for 2 seconds. The problem with your entire thesis is that you seem to have a completely out to lunch view of the picks required to dump a multi year $5+M deal. Especially at that point with a flat cap into the foreseeable future.

This fantasyland stuff in order to justify a strange fundamentalist fear of cap penalties no matter how blatantly logical they are.

 

[Lehnerd Skinnerd]

Nate Schmidt being bought out. Anyone think he would be a good addition on the bottom pair on a cheap one year deal?

I know a top 4 guy is more of a priority.

 

[TheNumber4]

Nate Schmidt being bought out. Anyone think he would be a good addition on the bottom pair on a cheap one year deal?

I know a top 4 guy is more of a priority.

I'm good. We have a log jam at 3rd Pair LD with Kulak/Broberg as it is.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

I already posted thus but because you're being condescending I'll just repost the math.

Keeping Campbell and burying him in the minors means you would have 3.9M x 3 years or 11.7M in dead cap right in the window when we need it most.

A buyout is only 10.5M over 6 years. So it's less money and it being spread out makes it much more manageable.

Y1: 3.9M - 1M = 2.8M savings
Y2: 3.9M - 2.3M = 1.6M savings
Y3: 3.9M - 2.6M = 1.3M savings

Thats 5.7 In savings the first years. Then you have 1.5 x 3 years or 4.5 in dead cap in years 4,5,6 as the cap goes up.

I think the biggest mistake you're making when figuring out how much it costs to unload a contract is that you aren't looking at salary. Toronto paid a 1st to dump 5M. That was only 1 year and much more palatable for a team to take on. We would be asking a team to do that 3 times, regardless of the buyout. Teams don't take on bad contracts just to buy them out and sit on their books for 6 years.

When people ignore numbers and insult me I tend to get a bit condesending.

It's not buyout or nothing scenario. You can trade players if you want to pay the price.

 

[McTedi]

One thing I've learned in life is their is just no pleasing some people. Their expectations are so far outside reality that results in complaining without offering any sort of realistic option.

Some people will just complain regardless and take the opposite stance of things because they don't know any other way.

Well...certainly going forward it is the best option. That being said, it would be nice to go a single f***ing year without dead cap space on the books. Campbell signing was an epic fail, on that we can all agree.

 

[OilerTyler]

He makes $5M.

Find me one single other example of a garbage contract with multiple seasons of a player making $5M+ going away for a single second round pick or even 2 second round picks. Just one.

Yeah, the closest example is the Cal Petersen trade. He only had 2 more years @ $5 million (one year less than Campbell). The Kings packaged him with Sean Walker and a second and still had to retain $2 million in salary. The assets to get a team to take the Campbell contract would've been astronomical.

 

[McDoused]

He makes $5M.

Find me one single other example of a garbage contract with multiple seasons of a player making $5M+ going away for a single second round pick or even 2 second round picks. Just one.

The problem with some of these comparisons (like Mikheyev for example) is that he might bounce back. You can move him around the roster and get him linemates to make him better.

With a goalie like Campbell your pretty much stuck with him being an AHL backup and doesn't really have the same flexibility. Campbell is basically already dead cap while other guys might still have some value at a lower cap.

When people ignore numbers and insult me I tend to get a bit condesending.

It's not buyout or nothing scenario. You can trade players if you want to pay the price.

So realistically what would you have done?

 

[K1984]

The problem with some of these comparisons (like Mikheyev for example) is that he might bounce back. You can move him around the roster and get him linemates to make him better.

With a goalie like Campbell your pretty much stuck with him being an AHL backup and doesn't really have the same flexibility. Campbell is basically already dead cap while other guys might still have some value at a lower cap.

Also players that aren’t goalies can play a role. Mikheyev can skate and can PK even if he still doesn’t score. You can pull some value out of him even if he’s overpaid.

A shit goalie is a shit goalie. There is no hiding him anywhere.

 

[Oilhawks]

I'm good. We have a log jam at 3rd Pair LD with Kulak/Broberg as it is.

Yup. Nate Shit ain't it. Jets fans were begging for the org to move on from him anyhow. Dude is washed

 

[McDNicks17]

I wonder if Parker Kelly would take a cheap deal to come home and play at #4LW.

The Sens didn't give him a QO. 18 points and 171 hits last year. Has a handful of scraps on his resume.

 

[TheNumber4]

Yeah, the closest example is the Cal Petersen trade. He only had 2 more years @ $5 million (one year less than Campbell). The Kings packed him with Sean Walker and a second and still had to retain $2 million in salary. The assets to get a team to take the Campbell contract would've been astronomical.

Yup plus more than that actually. This is how it ultimately broke down:

KINGS SPENT:
2.03Mx2years Dead Cap (30% Retention on Provorov)
Sean Walker (Bottom pair RHD at 2.65Mx1year)
Helge Grans (2020 2nd Rd Pick - looks like a nothing prospect)
2024 2nd Rd Pick

KINGS GOT BACK:
Connaughton (AHLer - so nothing player really)
Hodgson (AHLer - so nothing player really)
5M x 2 years Cap Savings (Cal Petersen)

So with Campbell, we'd be looking to dump 5Mx3. With zero retention involved by us we are look at 3 2nds++. Actually maybe less than that these days since Flat Cap era is subsiding.

 

[Sanchez]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807524877609382155

 

[Hockeylife2018]

Both of those players have hit elite thresholds of production and both contribute to special teams units that play a large part in the success of this team.

Kane is a expensive luxury. And we've watched him become less and less of a need here.

Right, but nuge plays exclusively with either mcdavid or drai

An injured kane had 4 less even strength points then nuge

For a team clamoring for years about a lack of winger depth...I wouldn't be so quick to trade it away

 

[McDNicks17]

Full list of guys who didn't get a QO(so far) here: 2024 NHL Free Agents - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[ThePhoenixx]

I already posted thus but because you're being condescending I'll just repost the math.

Keeping Campbell and burying him in the minors means you would have 3.9M x 3 years or 11.7M in dead cap right in the window when we need it most.

A buyout is only 10.5M over 6 years. So it's less money and it being spread out makes it much more manageable.

Y1: 3.9M - 1M = 2.8M savings
Y2: 3.9M - 2.3M = 1.6M savings
Y3: 3.9M - 2.6M = 1.3M savings

Thats 5.7 In savings the first years. Then you have 1.5 x 3 years or 4.5 in dead cap in years 4,5,6 as the cap goes up.

I think the biggest mistake you're making when figuring out how much it costs to unload a contract is that you aren't looking at salary. Toronto paid a 1st to dump 5M. That was only 1 year and much more palatable for a team to take on. We would be asking a team to do that 3 times, regardless of the buyout. Teams don't take on bad contracts just to buy them out and sit on their books for 6 years.

Campbells contract cost the team 3.9 mil in cap space this year due to being in the minors. It would be the same next year. That's his hit.

Buying him out means you save 3.9 this year out of 5. In reality you are paying 1.1m out of 3.9m. Hence the 2.8 in saving.

It gets worse in year 2 and 3 where the "savings" are only 1.6M and then 1.3M.

Now if they bit the bullet and paid the cost of trading him, they would save a full 3.9M over three years and another 1.5 mil for the three years after that.

It's not as rosy as some may think.

 

[SK13]

Again. Tunnel vison. It's not a buyout or nothing in this league. The Oilers simply made the choice to not trade assets for cap space. They choose to go the easy route. Buy him out.

Maybe they could have used the draft picks they wasted on Athanasiou to trade Neal and gain the whole 5.75M.

If they had "simply made the choice to buy him out", they would have bought him out on day 1 of the window - not the last possible second while they pursued a trade according to literally every mainstream news outlet who talked about this at all.

You think you're making a point but you're not. You simply do not know the asking price on that cap dump & if you did, I'm guessing you would very probably agree with the decision to buy him out instead.

 

[McTedi]

Always wanted to take a chance on Zadina but NHL numbers are really very sucky

 

[OilerTyler]

Full list of guys who didn't get a QO(so far) here: 2024 NHL Free Agents - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Hopefully we can bring back some of our guys so that we don't have to go dumpster diving this year.

 

[belair]

Right, but nuge plays exclusively with either mcdavid or drai

An injured kane had 4 less even strength points then nuge

For a team clamoring for years about a lack of winger depth...I wouldn't be so quick to trade it away

Kane's even strength production last season is one of the few reasons why there'd be any sort of market for him without having to take bad salary back.

I'd trade Kane away for nothing. The 'wing depth' we're worried about had little to do with McPoints. Warren Foegele putting up 30 away from 15-15-30 away from those two is what's going to hurt. Being unable to fill in if Henrique or Brown walk will hurt.

 

[SK13]

Hopefully we can bring back some of our guys so that we don't have to go dumpster diving this year.

Some of "our guys" were gems in the dumpster dive category.

The lone goal scorer in Game 7 of the SCF among them.

 

[McDrai]

Getting kind of nervous since we haven’t re-signed any of our UFAs. Hopefully there isn’t a mass exodus similar to the 2006 offseason.

 

[McTedi]

Hopefully we can bring back some of our guys so that we don't have to go dumpster diving this year.

Carter Hart would be fantastic but...

 

[FlameChampion]

Janmark/Brown negotiations maybe not going well? Or Jackson maybe no cell reception?

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Someone around here really liked this kid:

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807527031191527636

Lol giving us the live play by play.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

Did you predict AA was gonna tank? He did score 35 goals the year before he came here, so paying 2 2nd's was a pretty safe gamble. But it didn't pan out after. Again, shoulda, woulda, coulda. Just move on.

It's applicable to the buyout argument.

They are doing the exact same thing again. Cap space doesn't walk at the end of the season.