Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Post Draft, Pre Free Agent Frenzy

[McDoused]

Sam Steel a free agent?

 

[VainGretzky]

Yes, by spreading out the penalty over more years it becomes more palatable and easy to manage. Thanks for proving my point for me.

No it does not because the biggest cap hit is when the big 3 are up for new deals also a lot more years of dead cap and easier to move with a year or 2 left or buyout than which even becomes a less of a cap hit than now and less dead years it was a dumb move IMO

 

[oil Leaks]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807520085814485438

 

[K1984]

No it does not because the biggest cap hit is when the big 3 are up for new deals also a lot more years of dead cap and easier to move with a year or 2 left or buyout than which even becomes a less of a cap hit than now and less dead years it was a dumb move IMO

Cap is expected to escalate by $4M annually for the next few years. The penalty is mathematically irrelevant.

 

[FlameChampion]

Durzi got PAID

That Durzi deal is kinda gross.

Janmark and Brown probably looking at that Lundestrom deal. Guy didn’t put up much offense last couple years.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807520085814485438

I want the Oilers to sign him just to read @Drivesaitl going bonkers 82 times per year.

 

[FlameChampion]

I want the Oilers to sign him just to read @Drivesaitl going bonkers 82 times per year.

Draisaitls new winger

 

[K1984]

I want the Oilers to sign him just to read @Drivesaitl going bonkers 82 times per year.

He’s not the only one.

Pray to god we don’t go back to this well.

 

[VainGretzky]

Cap is expected to escalate by $4M annually for the next few years. The penalty is mathematically irrelevant.

and our cap will only go up 1.7 million next year 1.3 million the year after followed by 2.5 million the next 3 because of the buyout lol

 

[K1984]

and our cap will only go up 1.7 million next year 1.3 million the year after followed by 2.5 million the next 3 because of the buyout lol

Our cap will go up by $4M just like everyone else. And you make this post after lecturing people here about math.

lol.

 

[Tarus]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807520085814485438

I feel for the guy. Middle of his prime and he's on his way out of the league.

 

[oXo Cube]

That there are people complaining about the Campbell buyout is just insane to me.

Completely bananas.

 

[K1984]

That there are people complaining about the Campbell buyout is just insane to me.

Completely bananas.

Even more insane are people crowing about Neal’s cap penalty still.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

Which one of RNH, Hyman or Kane would you prefer to not have on the Oilers with Neal in their place?

That’s the choice you’re making if they didn’t buy him out.

For the record, I argued against the Neal buyout as well. Shortsighted.

5.75M was the Neal contract.

1.9+1.1= 3Mil. He did not have a NMC. So they lost 3M for the first two years.

They "Saved" 2.75 Mil for 2 years and then took a full penalty of 1.9M for another two years. That full penalty coincided with this cup run and next. That space would've been a Buchnevich this year.

 

[K1984]

For the record, I argued against the Neal buyout as well. Shortsighted.

5.75M was the Neal contract.

1.9+1.1= 3Mil. He did not have a NMC. So they lost 3M for the first two years.

They "Saved" 2.75 Mil for 2 years and then took a full penalty of 1.9M for another two years. That full penalty coincided with this cup run and next. That space would've been a Buchnevich this year.

Ok.

Again, which of those three players would you not want on the Oilers with Neal in their place? Speaking of math, it’s mathematically impossible to have all three of those players if Neal wasn’t bought out.

Would have to go back and check, but I don’t think it would have been mathematically possible to even dress a roster on opening night in 21-22 if Neal wasn’t bought out.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

That there are people complaining about the Campbell buyout is just insane to me.

Completely bananas.

It amazes me how cap space has meant so little to this organization over the years.

When you look at the actual math, these buyouts are not that impressive unless you ignore the underlying numbers.

 

[Paralyzer]

For the record, I argued against the Neal buyout as well. Shortsighted.

5.75M was the Neal contract.

1.9+1.1= 3Mil. He did not have a NMC. So they lost 3M for the first two years.

They "Saved" 2.75 Mil for 2 years and then took a full penalty of 1.9M for another two years. That full penalty coincided with this cup run and next. That space would've been a Buchnevich this year.

Shoulda, woulda, coulda. There's no way to predict what would be and what wouldn't be. But we do need the cap space now instead of just holding onto Campbell and letting him rot in the AHL. This isn't just to free cap, but to give Campbell a chance somewhere else too. In the end, it's minuscule to be nickeling and diming just to save a penny to the dollar. Then there is the cap going up. If the cap wasn't going up, I'd understand, but with it going up, this won't make any difference anyways.

 

[TheNumber4]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807520085814485438

Rough. Man he looked like a gamer that first half season we played him. But eventually his draft warts caught up with him. A small player that doesn't know how to avoid contact. He was always going to eventually get mangled in this League and did just that.

 

[McDoused]

Math.

You only "save" 2.7 because 1.15M can be buried in the minors.

You are penalized 2.3 (much more in years 2 and 3) because you could have saved 5 million but shiny draft picks and prospects are more important.

I already stated it, but I'll repeat myself.

The going rate for 2 mil over three years is a 2nd round draft pick. He was an UFA. Just act like you had to trade for him.

I already posted thus but because you're being condescending I'll just repost the math.

Keeping Campbell and burying him in the minors means you would have 3.9M x 3 years or 11.7M in dead cap right in the window when we need it most.

A buyout is only 10.5M over 6 years. So it's less money and it being spread out makes it much more manageable.

Y1: 3.9M - 1M = 2.8M savings
Y2: 3.9M - 2.3M = 1.6M savings
Y3: 3.9M - 2.6M = 1.3M savings

Thats 5.7 In savings the first years. Then you have 1.5 x 3 years or 4.5 in dead cap in years 4,5,6 as the cap goes up.

I think the biggest mistake you're making when figuring out how much it costs to unload a contract is that you aren't looking at salary. Toronto paid a 1st to dump 5M. That was only 1 year and much more palatable for a team to take on. We would be asking a team to do that 3 times, regardless of the buyout. Teams don't take on bad contracts just to buy them out and sit on their books for 6 years.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

Ok.

Again, which of those three players would you not want on the Oilers with Neal in their place. Speaking of math, it’s mathematically impossible to have all three of those players if Neal wasn’t bought out.

Would have to go back and check, but I don’t think it would have been mathematically possible to even dress a roster on opening night in 21-22 if Neal wasn’t bought out.

Again. Tunnel vison. It's not a buyout or nothing in this league. The Oilers simply made the choice to not trade assets for cap space. They choose to go the easy route. Buy him out.

Maybe they could have used the draft picks they wasted on Athanasiou to trade Neal and gain the whole 5.75M.

 

[TheNumber4]

Someone around here really liked this kid:

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807527031191527636

 

[belair]

To be fair tho, how many points would hyman or nuge get playing in the bottom 6? I don't think any player putting up any points on any line is "leeching" points

Both of those players have hit elite thresholds of production and both contribute to special teams units that play a large part in the success of this team.

Kane is a expensive luxury. And we've watched him become less and less of a need here.

 

[McDoused]

That there are people complaining about the Campbell buyout is just insane to me.

Completely bananas.

One thing I've learned in life is their is just no pleasing some people. Their expectations are so far outside reality that results in complaining without offering any sort of realistic option.

Some people will just complain regardless and take the opposite stance of things because they don't know any other way.

 

[Paralyzer]

Again. Tunnel vison. It's not a buyout or nothing in this league. The Oilers simply made the choice to not trade assets for cap space. They choose to go the easy route. Buy him out.

Maybe they could have used the draft picks they wasted on Athanasiou to trade Neal and gain the whole 5.75M.

Did you predict AA was gonna tank? He did score 35 goals the year before he came here, so paying 2 2nd's was a pretty safe gamble. But it didn't pan out after. Again, shoulda, woulda, coulda. Just move on.

 

[BlackDogg]

I want the Oilers to sign him just to read @Drivesaitl going bonkers 82 times per year.

Yah that's a big yama-nogo