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[Anarchism]

Lindholm signing?

No but a stated willingness to resign in Calgary if the situation is right. Likes the new structure.

Could you imagine ....

Nurse -- Pionk*
Ekholm--Bouch
Broberg -- Kovacevic
Desi

Broberg would have to work out which is really a shot in the dark at this point.
Kulak and Ceci would have to go AS resigning Pionk will cost you 6.5 mil long term (to be worth it to give up the assets required). Likely have to get Chevy's ok to talk to Pionks agent ahead of time.
This would be a deadline deal and likely require alot of effort to make happen.
Why does Chevy let Pionk go? ONLY if he can get enough draft picks/prospects.

*Pionk suggested by another poster. Can't remember who.

 

[Oilhawks]

Alternative history Oilers. What if the Oilers had gone with Chychrun at the TDL and then Karlsson in this offseason. The prices these two went for should have been obtainable if Holland wanted them. The offers would have been:

Broberg
23 1st
26 2nd

For Chychrun (4.6Mx2)

Barrie (4.5Mx2)
Foegele (2.75Mx1)
Campbell (5Mx4)
24 1st round pick
+ a sweetener cause our 1st round pick will be less valuable than Pittsburgh’s and Campbell is longer bad cap signed (although San Jose needs a goalie anyways)

For Karlsson (11.5Mx4)

Oilers D Core:

Nurse-Karlsson
Chychrun-Bouchard
Kulak-Ceci
Desharnais

Left and right more balanced. Ceci in his optimal spot, should be elite at a 3rd pair. Campbell gone (!). Love Ekholm, but this would have been a decent scenario too.

I like Karlsson but they need someone that can defend. Chrychrun is one more long term injury from the glue factory. Ekholm alone is better suited for what they needed than those two put together, not to mention the difference in asset cost

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

I like Karlsson but they need someone that can defend. Chrychrun is one more long term injury from the glue factory. Ekholm alone is better suited for what they needed than those two put together, not to mention the difference in asset cost

Ek and Ek would have been legendary.

 

[YakDavid]

The two things that might bring up a more substantial change before the deadline would be if Campbell and Ceci play like they did last year. I think Ceci isn’t as an issue but Campbell would be.

 

[frag2]

The interesting thingvis prior to this last year people were writing off Bouchard as a bust as well. Broberg's competition is way higher than at any point for any youbg D on the oilers before this. There isnt one dman from the 2019 draft chosen after Broberg thatvepuld supplant Nurse, Ekholm, Ceci, Bouchard or Kulak. Thats the reality. A young dman unless a superstar is not going to get in the top 4 of the Oil this year but that is ok


Let the kid play the first half of the season. Wow...where are you goong to get cap for an upgrade?

Bouch hit 43 pts in 81 gp the year before. I dont think anyone was calling him a bust aside from haters. There were definitely people hating his D game but that was somewhat expected given his reputation in his own end of ice.

Broberg was a questionable pick back then and after several years, even more so now IMO. Plus, he's made of glass it seems. Given his draft pedigree, he should have already taken that bottom pairing role but here we are, all arguing whether it should be him, VD or someone else completely.

 

[Mr Positive]

Bouch hit 43 pts in 81 gp the year before. I dont think anyone was calling him a bust aside from haters. There were definitely people hating his D game but that was somewhat expected given his reputation in his own end of ice.

Broberg was a questionable pick back then and after several years, even more so now IMO. Plus, he's made of glass it seems. Given his draft pedigree, he should have already taken that bottom pairing role but here we are, all arguing whether it should be him, VD or someone else completely.

Before that though, his status was similar to Broberg's. Also even though Broberg was drafted one year after, he's closer to two years younger than Bouchard, as Bouchard will be 24 already next month but Broberg will be 22 all season and playoffs. That is very young for a Dman. But even if Broberg takes longer to develop doesn't mean that there is concern yet. Id say the real do-or-die season wouldn't even be this upcoming one.

 

[Ninety7]

Bouch hit 43 pts in 81 gp the year before. I dont think anyone was calling him a bust aside from haters. There were definitely people hating his D game but that was somewhat expected given his reputation in his own end of ice.

Broberg was a questionable pick back then and after several years, even more so now IMO. Plus, he's made of glass it seems. Given his draft pedigree, he should have already taken that bottom pairing role but here we are, all arguing whether it should be him, VD or someone else completely.

One thing I noticed about broberg is he takes some huge hits. Not sure if it’s an awareness thing, but he’s gotten clobbered quite a bit if my memory serves me.

 

[aspin3]

Bouch hit 43 pts in 81 gp the year before. I dont think anyone was calling him a bust aside from haters. There were definitely people hating his D game but that was somewhat expected given his reputation in his own end of ice.

Broberg was a questionable pick back then and after several years, even more so now IMO. Plus, he's made of glass it seems. Given his draft pedigree, he should have already taken that bottom pairing role but here we are, all arguing whether it should be him, VD or someone else completely.

Can you point me to an D man in the 2019 draft besides Seider and to a way lesser extent Byram that is playing top 4 minutes? Or showing more than Broberg? He is just as far ahead or more so than most in his draft class. Again, if he was in an Arizona or any other lower place team he would have developed more by getting more reps in the top 4 or 5. He will get there. He is fine and will be great for many years to come. We ALWAYS pressure our young guys and want to sell low. man I can remember a few on here that wanted to trade Draisaitl in a package for Karlsson when he was on Ottawa.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

I personally hope they give Broberg a ton of time in preseason with Ekholm and let's see if Bouchard has grown enough to be able to play with Nurse. If Bouchard wants the big bucks on his next contract let him earn it away from Ekholm while letting Ekholm do the same thig for Broberg that he did for Bouchard

 

[Spawn]

I'm not sure why people are so unconfident in Broberg being able to handle a bottom pair role this upcoming season. He played half the year last year on the bottom pair and had good results. Both analytically and otherwise.

The only thing that is going to keep him from being a full time NHLer is a bad contract to Kulak.

 

[Soundwave]

I'm not sure why people are so unconfident in Broberg being able to handle a bottom pair role this upcoming season. He played half the year last year on the bottom pair and had good results. Both analytically and otherwise.

The only thing that is going to keep him from being a full time NHLer is a bad contract to Kulak.

Remember when Ethan Bear and Caleb Jones were going to be staples on the Oilers blue line for years to come?

 

[McDNicks17]

I'm not sure why people are so unconfident in Broberg being able to handle a bottom pair role this upcoming season. He played half the year last year on the bottom pair and had good results. Both analytically and otherwise.

The only thing that is going to keep him from being a full time NHLer is a bad contract to Kulak.

If people want him on Ekholm's right side, he can play on Kulak's right side.

He just actually has to take the job from Desharnais this year.

 

[McTonyBrar]

I just don't see the reward part of that risk/reward.

What makes you think Broberg would be better than Ceci this season?

Because he's younger, faster, has higher potential and will be playing with Ekholm at least for a short period of time.

I understand fans don't have faith but this is eerily familiar to how fans ripped Bouchard before.

Maybe my comments dont reflect my entire outlook. I'm a fan of Bourgault and while he struggled early he did get better as his season went along. He still has work to do. He is not ready. But like you i think he has very good hockey vision. However expecting him to turn into Foegele along the boards is not in the cards. If he can get there based on his speed and smarts great but his board play will never be great. But i think he makes and eventually excels.

Sorry about that. I agree with you!

 

[FlameChampion]

Has there been any actual news from Captains skates yet? Any players looking good? Or too informal still.

 

[Davo Ikinzom]

I think the Broberg experiment will be a failure because he's a LD. Simple as.

Sure, go ahead and try it at the beginning of the season and hopefully it works but I'm hoping they're prepared for the eventuality that it doesn't. Especially if the expectation is that he's going to be playing on the 2nd pairing.

 

[McTonyBrar]

I liked this player before reading this. Now I just want him to absolutely bust out this season (even if it means Broberg ends up as seventh man).

From despair to determination for Vincent Desharnais: "I am an NHL player and I will win the Stanley Cup."

This in from Vincent Desharnais, his moving and revealing interview with Tony Marinaro of the Sick Podcast, where Desharnais describes his journey from despair and depression as a concussed minor pro player to his process to deal with anxiety, set and achieve goals and handle the pressure of...

edmontonjournal.com

Lol... or why not have both bust out?

I think the Broberg experiment will be a failure because he's a LD. Simple as.

Sure, go ahead and try it at the beginning of the season and hopefully it works but I'm hoping they're prepared for the eventuality that it doesn't. Especially if the expectation is that he's going to be playing on the 2nd pairing.

I'm glad majority of the fans are wrong. He will become top 4 on the team. Quote me on this

 

[Davo Ikinzom]

I'm glad majority of the fans are wrong. He will become top 4 on the team. Quote me on this

Uh huh, the majority of fans but not you of course, right? And no, I doubt I'll remember this interaction months from now to quote you.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Uh huh, the majority of fans but not you of course, right? And no, I doubt I'll remember this interaction months from now to quote you.

I don't even know who this poster is as they obviously quite recently changed their name.

The poster is so confident of his opinion being gold, noteworthy, and mark it down, that he changed his name just this week?

A name I never saw here before yesterday.

 

[TheNumber4]

Has there been any actual news from Captains skates yet? Any players looking good? Or too informal still.

They’ll all look good at this time of the year, cause anyone with access watching won’t have the balls to say someone looks like Crap Pre-Training Camp.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Has there been any actual news from Captains skates yet? Any players looking good? Or too informal still.

I'm wondering why the Captain demanded having them this early. They did almost the same thing last season, captain skates early in September and just serving to drag out the season and make it longer. NHL season and playoffs is endurance. The last thing a contending team should be doing is showing up early, well before season, and the captain demanding it. It didn't work last year and its only taking a few weeks holidays away in which players can continue to do their own regimen, get downtime, etc. I dont' know that added prep time is necessary or all that helpful.

This seems just like uber type A behavior.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

I'm wondering why the Captain demanded having them this early. They did almost the same thing last season, captain skates early in September and just serving to drag out the season and make it longer. NHL season and playoffs is endurance. The last thing a contending team should be doing is showing up early, well before season, and the captain demanding it. It didn't work last year and its only taking a few weeks holidays away in which players can continue to do their own regimen, get downtime, etc. I dont' know that added prep time is necessary or all that helpful.

This seems just like uber type A behavior.

It sounds like a lot of teams do this every year, media is just making a louder noise about it this year because of the expectations.

I think it was Jordan Eberle that was on Jason Gregors new show and sort of shrugged it off when Jason mentioned it, and said in other words that Seattle amongst other teams also do it around the start of September too

 

[Spawn]

If people want him on Ekholm's right side, he can play on Kulak's right side.

He just actually has to take the job from Desharnais this year.

I don't want him on the right side is my issue. It's setting him up to fail.

 

[MessierII]

I'm not sure why people are so unconfident in Broberg being able to handle a bottom pair role this upcoming season. He played half the year last year on the bottom pair and had good results. Both analytically and otherwise.

The only thing that is going to keep him from being a full time NHLer is a bad contract to Kulak.

Kulak is way better than him though. Kulak has been fantastic in every playoff so far. We need experienced vets back there not more kids learning on the job. We’re trying to win a cup here. Brobergs ceiling might not even be a kulak level player at this point.

 

[walktheboulavard]

Kulak is way better than him though. Kulak has been fantastic in every playoff so far. We need experienced vets back there not more kids learning on the job. We’re trying to win a cup here. Brobergs ceiling might not even be a kulak level player at this point.

Kulak was bouncing around from ECHL to AHL at the same age.

 

[bobbythebrain]

The two things that might bring up a more substantial change before the deadline would be if Campbell and Ceci play like they did last year. I think Ceci isn’t as an issue but Campbell would be.

Ceci is a massive issue imo. He's been a plug his whole career and saw some decent time in Pit in a secondary role. Now he is on our top line seeing way too many minutes with McDrai

His tenancy to look off breakout passes while he has mini seizures, only to skate pucks to center and dump and give it away is way too common

Makes zero sense to keep forcing a mediocre career player to be a top pair dman here. Nurse needs a better partner to elevate his game....hopefully

McD, Drai, Kane, Hyman have all elevated their games in the playoffs. Nurse has been a massive dissapointment. we really need someone to hopefully compliment him. Ceci is not that player. Another playoff with that pair would be a massive disadvantage

Don't even get me started on his ozone play. Watching him get passes at the blueline is a predictable dump to nobody