Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Lavoie Vs. Pederson Vs. Sutter Vs. Gagner Vs. Caggiula
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Pretty much the entire season rides on the dubious tandem of Campbell-Skinner ... doesn't really matter if McDavid scores 160 points and 70 goals, doesn't matter if the guys come to Captain's Skates 2 months early ... if we get the same or similar goaltending as last year, it's virtually impossible to win in the playoffs with that.
KeithIsActuallyBad
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Skinner we at least know can hold the fort, but we can't totally rely on him either. Campbell has to play better otherwise this season isn't going anywhere.
Not in the playoffs he can't. He was a big liability in both playoff rounds, we were fortunate to be able to eek past LA.
Does any of it ever matter? Lol.
I think the team will surprise a lot of people this year. If people disagree that's cool. I think they're on the cusp and another solid season from Skinner and a good step from one of Holloway ot Broberg takes a ton of heat off, I think. All we can do is wait til the deadline, unless someone shits the bed suuuuper hard.
KeithIsActuallyBad
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I fully believe he got burned out. Campbell was good in relief but he's not exactly a playoff performer himself.
Surprise who?
The expectation is a Cup. Not "oh they finished 1st in the division, what a pleasant surprise". It's a Cup Final minimum (though to the players it should be Cup or bust), anything below that is a disappointment of a season.
We're not like some secret, low key up and coming team, lol. We have the best player in the world, a generational talent, and a second player who is arguably the 2nd best player in the world. The expectations are at least a Cup finals, nothing less than that is going to be a successful season.
Defining a player by his rookie season, actually not even his rookie season but a 12 game stretch after his good rookie season, seems pretty dubious to me.
KeithIsActuallyBad
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Goaltending is 80% of hockey. If you don't have it it's 100%. This is a playoff lock team no question but it's easy to forget last season there was a point where we weren't even in a playoff spot. Nothing is a guarantee here.
Campbell and Skinner don't even have to be Roy-esque, they just need to stop the puck and the offense will do the rest.
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John Henry
We didn't have to wait to improve the team this summer. Sure its dollar in dollar out or push someone down but there were lots of possible things that could have been done.
But your right a step from one of our guys developing helps so much. I think Holloway might have a shaky first half and really take a big step in the second half. Broberg is a gamble at best. Hard to get a good fix on him.
That's your opinion. There is no roster you could put together that garauntees a cup final or win, ever. Ask Ovi.
For every one player that totally bounces back from a poor playoffs, there's 4-5 other guys for whom that's just who they are.
Skinner had a chance to step his game up after a bad LA series in the Vegas series and he flopped even harder there.
This automatic crowning of him as a starting goalie somehow because he put up a .914 (Mikko Koskinen had a .913 once, Mike Smith being 40 years old and hurt last season had a .915) is way premature.
For all we know this guy is a back up or a 1B at best, he hasn't earned anything yet.
KeithIsActuallyBad
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This is definitely true but there are expectations to be had with this team. At bare minimum they need to make the Conference Finals this year. I don't think that's unreasonable by any means.
It would be difficult to spin a 2nd round exit as a successful season.
Ovechkin never had a Draisaitl tier player to play with and isn't as good as McDavid either.
I don't disagree with you. I just think it's unfair for someone to label young players as not good enough based on one small portion of an otherwise very good season.
The whole out of a playoff spot thing doesn't really mean anything to me. People stress about that every season early on but it's really pointless, imo.
I never said it was. But I've also never stated that it was a fail either. Anything can happen in the playoffs. We see it basically every year. They're close. Bickering over which players you think make the team a lock is a pointless exercise because there's no way to prove it.
KeithIsActuallyBad
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Oh I think Skinner is definitely better than what he showed in the playoffs. A rested Skinner probably doesn't falter like he did.
But the goaltending has to hold up, period. Campbell needs his redemption arc. Otherwise that contract looks like the worst on the team.
KeithIsActuallyBad
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They should. I just hope Colorado isn't there again because any other Central team I think we can beat.
I'd love to stick it to Colorado just to heave some humility onto a couple of the main board Avs fans. Plus I always like the chance to show you belong by beating the best. Leaves no room for excuses.
You didn't acknowledge the fact that Brown is making $775m this year. It's a very important factor in him signing here. Because anything more than that was going to have trickle down impacts on the roster we ice this year. Even $1m was going to mean one less player on the roster, so the majority of your alternative players aren't realistic options.
His bonus next season won't have the same type of impact knowing that the cap is rising and that the Oilers are a team developing a number of prospects that are close. If it's a success, what's preventing another veteran player from doing the same thing next year?
Knowing that the majority of your options aren't actually options, you're left with cast off tweeners like Sam Steel who teams just can't be bothered to commit to. He wouldn't make this roster.
A 2nd round exit is a failure of a season for this coming season. If you don't want to say it, I will. I'm pretty sure McDavid and Draisaitl would feel the exact same way.
There's no way losing in the 2nd round again next year would be celebrated or looked at as some kind of achievement.
A Conference Final that they don't get swept in is like the bare, bare minimum of what would constitute a decent season, a SC Finals is really what would quantify as a successful season.
So yeah Campbell and Skinner better have their big boy pants on this year because there's going to be no kiddie gloves handling for them this season at all. If either one of them struggles the media, even the softball Edmonton media and fans are going to be all over their ass and all over Holland. They both better have their shit together, because expectations here are high.
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KeithIsActuallyBad
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Me too, I just think they're the one team in that division that can handle us. Dallas doesn't worry me in the slightest and the rest of the division is poor.
Every athlete would say it, and nobody has celebrated them getting knocked out the last couple years. I do see people acknowledging and being happy about the annual progress the team has made on a whole though. That's really all you can rightfully ask for, and then hope things go your way once the post season starts. Because whether you want to admit it or not, there's a ton of luck and good fortune that need to accompany the skill to win a championship. In any sport.
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John Henry
I think there is a good chance the standings at the end of the year are the same as last year.
What happens if LA gets a good tender even at the deadline and we dont strengthen our goalie situation or our defense?
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