Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Lavoie Vs. Pederson Vs. Sutter Vs. Gagner Vs. Caggiula

[Anarchism]

With the rumours of Jets not getting what they want for Hellebuyck, I wonder if it could open the door for a Campbell trade at the deadline. I think it’s going to be difficult for them to get a haul from him with his contract desires. It might be an opportunity for the Oilers to get out of the Campbell contract even if Hellebuyck walks. Winnipeg is one team that might not mind that Campbell has a contract for 3 more years.

Hopefully Campbell has a good season for everyones sake though.

Probably have to give up a few assets and retain on Campbell for a rental. Winnipeg probably want a first and a prospect and a second (or something to that equivalent) and for Helly to resign likely in the 7.5-9 mil range; something we are unlikely to afford.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

I’d also add that at a time when it’s incredibly expensive to shed cap and good players are changing teams basically for free because of their cap hits, Holland was able to create cap space to facilitate the Brown deal and locking in the rest of the roster by creating value in an asset and then utilizing it to create highly valued cap space.

 

[alphahelix]

What do you guys think Connor Browns market value would have been had he hit the market on 1 year deal?

Coming off a year long injury and recovery, was traded to Washington for a 2nd round pick, previous contract was 3.6Mx3, flat cap environment where wingers are being given away for free.

What does everyone think he would have got on the open market for a year if the Oilers didn’t step in with their cap delay bonus-laden deal?

I do find it distasteful when people say he signed for a discount. 4M career high earnings after missing a whole season due to injury? if we re-sign him next year hes gonna ream us for like 10M in cap

 

[Anarchism]

Its so hard to project on Brown with so many unknows.

 

[FlameChampion]

I do find it distasteful when people say he signed for a discount. 4M career high earnings after missing a whole season due to injury? if we re-sign him next year hes gonna ream us for like 10M in cap

Yeah I think Brown will be good for us and I am excited to see him but I wouldn’t say he signed for any kind of discount. If his bonuses were performance driven then maybe. But he’s essentially getting paid $4m this year. Sure the structure helps the team, no questions, but it’s not really a discount.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

You really dont understand why we need to make some changes?

no...why?

 

[Tobias Kahun]

You really dont understand why we need to make some changes?

You just want to make changes for the sake of making changes.

Not actual improvements.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Its so hard to project on Brown with so many unknows.

Not really.

 

[TheNumber4]

Not really.

True. It’s quite easy really. The last time Brown played with McDavid he outscored McDavid by 30%. A 30% improvement on McDavid’s most recent totals would mean Brown’s scoring 205 points this year.

 

[Paralyzer]

You just want to make changes for the sake of making changes.

Not actual improvements.

We did that a few times already. Eberle for Strome, Strome for Spooner, Spooner for Gagner. Man, making trades for the sake of making them...really pays off

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Its so hard to project on Brown with so many unknows.

He could click with McDavid and be a true 50 point top 6 option, but I'd honestly bet against it. But the nice thing with Brown is his versatility, he's not a top 6 or bust option. I think the realistic expectation for him is to pair up with RNH or McLeod on the 3rd line, and give the team the a legit match-up line.

I think most here remember Frolik's time in Calgary and him working really well with Backlund. That's basically what I'm hoping for. The offence is gravy, but the main impact I want from him is to help improve the team in its own zone.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

It's not that these posters criticize decisions. That's their personality on this board. It's all they talk about. Always a negative viewpoint. And when the team is successful...crickets.

Just a repetitive drone of negative bullshit.

The team has yet to win more than 8 playoff games in the McDavid era.

Last year was a step back against a team we probably should've beaten. We only get so many kicks at the can.

If Campbell flames out again we already know how the movie ends.

 

[grego]

The odds are quite good that even a slightly off brown would be better than. Puljarvi or Yamamoto by more than his one mill value. And he has a chance to exceed it even more than being paid as a 4 mill player.
The team isn't perfect but we are in much better places than a few years back we are off ltir hell now so we can get cap.

And the team is good enough that we can watch how young guys develop and trade for what is needed.

And most our contracts are tradeable.

 

[Anarchism]

He could click with McDavid and be a true 50 point top 6 option, but I'd honestly bet against it. But the nice thing with Brown is his versatility, he's not a top 6 or bust option. I think the realistic expectation for him is to pair up with RNH or McLeod on the 3rd line, and give the team the a legit match-up line.

I think most here remember Frolik's time in Calgary and him working really well with Backlund. That's basically what I'm hoping for. The offence is gravy, but the main impact I want from him is to help improve the team in its own zone.

If his leg holds up under stress Brown has the true middle 6 option thing. So valuable for Woodcroft giving him scoring/defending options.

 

[duul]

Who do you think were his closest contract comparables this offseason that went for less/were better than him?

Sure I can try. On phone now.

Morgan Frost already put up more points than Brown ever has. He’s getting paid 2 mil vs Brown at 4.

I’d consider Pius Suter a pretty good comparable, who signed for 1.6.

Frederic at 2.3 yes another RFA.

Tarasenko at 5 or Brown at 4, the contrast is wild.

Sundqvist an obvious one at 775k

Domi at 3 >>> Brown at 4

Christian Fischer went for 1.25, while we pay McLeod 2.1 and Brown 4.


Cody glass at 2.5 >> Brown at 4

Donato at 2 >> Brown at 4

Sprong at half of Brown is insane too

Sam Steel 850k…

These are guys who are producing at similar amounts as Brown for far less. Before anyone says we didn’t have the cap space to get them, was it really worth the price that’s paid next year for this? No.

Duchene an egregious example. 3 mil for him is a steal. How they’re paying him 3 while we pay Brown 4 is a travesty.

Tampa is paying Conor Sheary half of what we are paying Brown, and is a very similar player.

Nyquist for a million a year less than we’re giving Brown for a superior player. We very clearly spent 1.5-2 mil too much on this player.

Geekie at half price. Even Yamo at 1.5 lmao. We spent so so so so much on this player to upgrade Yamo.


Wheeler an obvious one.


Dadonov.

All of these players are either in and around the same level as Brown for much cheaper, or at a similar pay yet far superior players.

The excuse that we only had the cap to add Brown is not a good one.

All of this while the most obvious gaping hole at defence goes untouched.

 

[Anarchism]

Sure I can try. On phone now.

Morgan Frost already put up more points than Brown ever has. He’s getting paid 2 mil vs Brown at 4.

I’d consider Pius Suter a pretty good comparable, who signed for 1.6.

Frederic at 2.3 yes another RFA.

Tarasenko at 5 or Brown at 4, the contrast is wild.

Sundqvist an obvious one at 775k

Domi at 3 >>> Brown at 4

Christian Fischer went for 1.25, while we pay McLeod 2.1 and Brown 4.


Cody glass at 2.5 >> Brown at 4

Donato at 2 >> Brown at 4

Sprong at half of Brown is insane too

Sam Steel 850k…

These are guys who are producing at similar amounts as Brown for far less. Before anyone says we didn’t have the cap space to get them, was it really worth the price that’s paid next year for this? No.

Duchene an egregious example. 3 mil for him is a steal. How they’re paying him 3 while we pay Brown 4 is a travesty.

Tampa is paying Conor Sheary half of what we are paying Brown, and is a very similar player.

Nyquist for a million a year less than we’re giving Brown for a superior player. We very clearly spent 1.5-2 mil too much on this player.

Geekie at half price. Even Yamo at 1.5 lmao. We spent so so so so much on this player to upgrade Yamo.


Wheeler an obvious one.


Dadonov.

All of these players are either in and around the same level as Brown for much cheaper, or at a similar pay yet far superior players.

The excuse that we only had the cap to add Brown is not a good one.

All of this while the most obvious gaping hole at defence goes untouched.

Yes Duul we overpaid. Brown provides some flexibility if Woodcroft adapts a bit to juggling lines more. But its done. Whinning about it gets us no where. Its one year.
Holland is a very limited GM. Getting a decent player with him is a win. Expecting that player on a value contract...we know well how good Holland's negotiating skills are .
Be careful suggesting a trade to upgrade defense in any way...the turds here will rise and try to bit you.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Sure I can try. On phone now.

Morgan Frost already put up more points than Brown ever has. He’s getting paid 2 mil vs Brown at 4.

I’d consider Pius Suter a pretty good comparable, who signed for 1.6.

Frederic at 2.3 yes another RFA.

Tarasenko at 5 or Brown at 4, the contrast is wild.

Sundqvist an obvious one at 775k

Domi at 3 >>> Brown at 4

Christian Fischer went for 1.25, while we pay McLeod 2.1 and Brown 4.


Cody glass at 2.5 >> Brown at 4

Donato at 2 >> Brown at 4

Sprong at half of Brown is insane too

Sam Steel 850k…

These are guys who are producing at similar amounts as Brown for far less. Before anyone says we didn’t have the cap space to get them, was it really worth the price that’s paid next year for this? No.

Duchene an egregious example. 3 mil for him is a steal. How they’re paying him 3 while we pay Brown 4 is a travesty.

Tampa is paying Conor Sheary half of what we are paying Brown, and is a very similar player.

Nyquist for a million a year less than we’re giving Brown for a superior player. We very clearly spent 1.5-2 mil too much on this player.

Geekie at half price. Even Yamo at 1.5 lmao. We spent so so so so much on this player to upgrade Yamo.


Wheeler an obvious one.


Dadonov.

All of these players are either in and around the same level as Brown for much cheaper, or at a similar pay yet far superior players.

The excuse that we only had the cap to add Brown is not a good one.

All of this while the most obvious gaping hole at defence goes untouched.

Typica Dul post, cherry picked examples to back up a stupid opinion, most of which aren’t even comparables. Like adding in rfa examples, and guys who’ve just been bought out. Then sprinkling in a few players who clearly are a step below Brown. Then failing to acknowledge that to start the year the Oilers needed and we’re able to get Browns cap hit at .775 which basically no player of the same caliber as Brown would accept.

What about Rodrigue and Compher? Very similar track records to Brown but I noticed you convenient left them off your list.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Yes Duul we overpaid. Brown provides some flexibility if Woodcroft adapts a bit to juggling lines more. But its done. Whinning about it gets us no where. Its one year.
Be careful suggesting a trade to upgrade defense in any way...the turds here will rise and try to bit you.

You resort to name calling every time someone pokes holes in your “suggestions”.

It’s pathetic. I pointed out that your improvements weren’t improvements. Lateral movements at best.

 

[duul]

Typica Dul post, cherry picked examples to back up a stupid opinion, most of which aren’t even comparables. Like adding in rfa examples, and guys who’ve just been bought out. Then sprinkling in a few players who clearly are a step below Brown. Then failing to acknowledge that to start the year the Oilers needed and we’re able to get Browns cap hit at .775 which basically no player of the same caliber as Brown would accept.

What about Rodrigue and Compher? Very similar track records to Brown but I noticed you convenient left them off your list.

I did acknowledge what you’re crying about.

I left Compher off for the same reason I left a few other guys off who chose to cash in on lottery teams trying to make the floor.

We can talk about Rodrigue making an entire mil less if you want.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

I did acknowledge what you’re crying about.

I left Compher off for the same reason I left a few other guys off who chose to cash in on lottery teams trying to make the floor.

We can talk about Rodrigue making an entire mil less if you want.

can you also acknowledge that we had under $1m of capspace to use on Brown's position in the lineup this season? Because 90% of the players you listed would have put us over the cap

 

[SupremeTeam16]

I did acknowledge what you’re crying about.

I left Compher off for the same reason I left a few other guys off who chose to cash in on lottery teams trying to make the floor.

We can talk about Rodrigue making an entire mil less if you want.

The Red Wings are a lottery team trying to make the cap floor?

And Rodrigues got 12M guaranteed to Browns 4.

Brown could have similarly taken advantage of a cap floor team or could have gotten more money guaranteed.

Show me a player on his level that would accept a .775k aav.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

The Red Wings are a lottery team trying to make the cap floor?

And Rodrigues got 12M guaranteed to Browns 4.

Brown could have similarly taken advantage of a cap floor team or could have gotten more money guaranteed.

Show me a player on his level that would accept a .775k aav.

He won’t cause duuLLL is all about those Ls.

I dunno how were shitting on Browns contract. It’s mind boggling lol

 

[Anarchism]

You resort to name calling every time someone pokes holes in your “suggestions”.

It’s pathetic. I pointed out that your improvements weren’t improvements. Lateral movements at best.

Here is your opportunity then Tad. Impress us all with your amazing insight.
Produce a coherent realistic GMing of this team including what you would do, changes you would make, timing of those changes and how it fits with the cap.
I'm sure many are waiting to hear this in its it whole breadth.
How do you make this team a sure top fire contender?

 

[duul]

I acknowledged the question both of you are asking in the post. It was simply not worth giving Brown 4 million dollars in this case.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Yes Duul we overpaid. Brown provides some flexibility if Woodcroft adapts a bit to juggling lines more. But its done. Whinning about it gets us no where. Its one year.
Holland is a very limited GM. Getting a decent player with him is a win. Expecting that player on a value contract...we know well how good Holland's negotiating skills are .
Be careful suggesting a trade to upgrade defense in any way...the turds here will rise and try to bit you.

What suggestions have…. you had that improves ….the team? All your ….suggestions are just to make moves…. for the sake of making moves…. .