Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Lavoie Vs. Pederson Vs. Sutter Vs. Gagner Vs. Caggiula

Which of these players makes the team?

  • Lavoie

    Votes: 56 39.4%
  • Pederson

    Votes: 14 9.9%
  • Sutter

    Votes: 15 10.6%
  • Gagner

    Votes: 57 40.1%
  • Caggiula

    Votes: 7 4.9%
  • Bourgault

    Votes: 8 5.6%
  • Petrov

    Votes: 1 0.7%
  • Other (specify in a post)

    Votes: 1 0.7%
  • None of them makes the team, we'll start with 11 forwards

    Votes: 8 5.6%

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Soundwave

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This timestamp should send shivers down your back. We are still multiple significant pieces away from being a Colorado/Tampa type of contender, the episode titled 'Win Now Mode', and Holland saying THAT!?

I appreciate @Fourier trying to tell us the Brown deal is no big deal at all, but even the GM is saying it's going to be a real big problem next year. Oh well though!


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lol at people hounding anyone who dared to say the Brown deal is a fairly significant problem that Holland has anchored onto the team for next year -- Holland says so himself right there. Shrug of the shoulders, no f***s given because he knows he ain't gonna be here next year.

We're just so used to so many dumb management decisions that people are totally numb to it.

Also all this "we're trying to win now" ... I want to see some real action behind that and not some bullshit phrase. If they're serious about that, then lets see the upgrades on D and in goaltending that we almost definitely need as the season goes on.
 
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Broberg Speed

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Tyler Myers is a prime example
I could see Myers ending up with the Oilers at the deadline to boost RD depth. Vancouver badly wants to dump Myers before the season starts and undoubtedly will have to retain a big chunk of his salary to accomplish this. Then whichever team traded for Myers could pick up another asset from the Oilers at the deadline if they retained half of what's left of his salary.
It's always the same people as well, to be fair I have 99% of them blocked, reading this thread is just a lot of " You are ignoring content by this member. Show ignored content " I can probably guess what they are saying.
I doubt it.
 

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lol at people hounding anyone who dared to say the Brown deal is a fairly significant problem that Holland has anchored onto the team for next year -- Holland says so himself right there. Shrug of the shoulders, no f***s given because he knows he ain't gonna be here next year.

We're just so used to so many dumb management decisions that people are totally numb to it.

Also all this "we're trying to win now" ... I want to see some real action behind that and not some bullshit phrase. If they're serious about that, then lets see the upgrades on D and in goaltending that we almost definitely need as the season goes on.
Remember, we also went after Meire and management said "We will worry about the cap later"
 

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I remember the idea of Draisaitl being even a Kopitar tier player would make me giddy to the point where I had to go "no, don't even entertain that thought, no way does that happen."

And here we are. And yet ... here the team is, lol.

Even McDavid ... like I expected a lot, but I never thought I'd see anything resembling like 60+ goals and 150+ points. That was completely unthinkable in 2015 ... that doesn't happen anymore, no one can do that, what is this the 80s or something?

When Kucherov had 128 points and I was keeping track hoping Connor could keep up I remember thinking "man 128 points is so ridiculous, no one can do that unless the stars align perfectly, you have to have the perfect high scoring team and everything going right for that to ever happen again". McDavid blew that away, lol.
I’ll never get sick of seeing mcdavid play this game man. I’m pushing 40 and I look up to mcdavid like I’m a child, just pure admiration.

You’re rarely out of a game with this guy, he’s literally our hero and can perform magic and just blow everyone away

Cherish these next 3 years and pray for more
 

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I’ll never get sick of seeing mcdavid play this game man. I’m pushing 40 and I look up to mcdavid like I’m a child, just pure admiration.

You’re rarely out of a game with this guy, he’s literally our hero and can perform magic and just blow everyone away

Cherish these next 3 years and pray for more
McDavid pushes the boundaries of physics. Draisaitl as well.

We are witnessing something entirely unique and never seen before in the sport of hockey.
 
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I can see Holloway getting caught in the numbers game. Him and Broberg are the only two guys that probably could make the team, but don't have to clear waivers.
Unless he looks completely out of it in preseason this would be another blunder just like not giving skinner more starts which could have saved them the embarrassment of the campbell contract.
 

duul

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Unless he looks completely out of it in preseason this would be another blunder just like not giving skinner more starts which could have saved them the embarrassment of the campbell contract.
I wish people would go back into my post history and see what I was saying about Skinner near the end of the year prior. He was obviously good enough to be a starter in the league, and he showed that through the season. Campbell was a huge blunder.
 

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What do you guys think Connor Browns market value would have been had he hit the market on 1 year deal?

Coming off a year long injury and recovery, was traded to Washington for a 2nd round pick, previous contract was 3.6Mx3, flat cap environment where wingers are being given away for free.

What does everyone think he would have got on the open market for a year if the Oilers didn’t step in with their cap delay bonus-laden deal?
 

Tobias Kahun

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I wish people would go back into my post history and see what I was saying about Skinner near the end of the year prior. He was obviously good enough to be a starter in the league, and he showed that through the season. Campbell was a huge blunder.
Yeah, you were saying stuff like

"Skinner is the guy. He never lets in an objectively bad goal. "

"Skinner is a top 5 goalie in the NHL"


Sure looked like top 5 in the playoffs.
 
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duul

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Yeah, you were saying stuff like

"Skinner is the guy. He never lets in an objectively bad goal. "

"Skinner is a top 5 goalie in the NHL"


Sure looked like top 5 in the playoffs.
Skinner was 16th in the league in SV% as a #1 goalie and a rookie, and multiple goalies ahead of him in SV% were playing like 20 games, he played 50.

He was clearly the guy, played great in the season, and led our team to the playoffs from the backend when Campbell utterly shit the bed as predicted.

Skinner did damn well and thankfully proved me right. Playing behind a below average defence and being a rookie he was in the top half of #1 goalies this year. Very impressive.
 

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What do you guys think Connor Browns market value would have been had he hit the market on 1 year deal?

Coming off a year long injury and recovery, was traded to Washington for a 2nd round pick, previous contract was 3.6Mx3, flat cap environment where wingers are being given away for free.

What does everyone think he would have got on the open market for a year if the Oilers didn’t step in with their cap delay bonus-laden deal?

Honestly close to a 1 yr - 4m deal if I had to guess.

I think there were rumours that he even had multiple years on the table.

But we don’t know whether the teams were contenders or not.
 
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duul

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What do you guys think Connor Browns market value would have been had he hit the market on 1 year deal?

Coming off a year long injury and recovery, was traded to Washington for a 2nd round pick, previous contract was 3.6Mx3, flat cap environment where wingers are being given away for free.

What does everyone think he would have got on the open market for a year if the Oilers didn’t step in with their cap delay bonus-laden deal?
I don't know. Players who are way better than him went for way less. Hard to say. Had to be below 3 mil. He took our deal because he's getting paid the most. How can you justify him making more than a guy like Matt Duchene? Duchene put up 86 points two years ago, 56 points last year. High skilled centreman.

Connor Brown is a guy who has barely broke 40 points once in his career. Duchene is far better. Nobody was giving Connor Brown the 4 million a year that we are, by way of some scam that ultimately rapes us next year.

Keep in mind Yamamoto's career high is 41 points. Brown's is 43. Similar ppg across career, both RW's without great shots. We spent how much to 'upgrade' this position? I am happy we rid ourselves of Yamo but shocked people find this deal for Brown enticing.

Again, look at the clip of Holland stating how bad it will be for us next season. Simple as.
 

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I don't know. Players who are way better than him went for way less. Hard to say. Had to be below 3 mil. He took our deal because he's getting paid the most. How can you justify him making more than a guy like Matt Duchene? Duchene put up 86 points two years ago, 56 points last year. High skilled centreman.

Connor Brown is a guy who has barely broke 40 points once in his career. Duchene is far better. Nobody was giving Connor Brown the 4 million a year that we are, by way of some scam that ultimately rapes us next year.

Keep in mind Yamamoto's career high is 41 points. Brown's is 43. Similar ppg across career, both RW's without great shots. We spent how much to 'upgrade' this position? I am happy we rid ourselves of Yamo but shocked people find this deal for Brown enticing.

Again, look at the clip of Holland stating how bad it will be for us next season. Simple as.
It was reported by Seravalli that Brown had multi year offers worth more then what he’s making here.

Why don’t you stick to just making things up about players housing situations.
 

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With the rumours of Jets not getting what they want for Hellebuyck, I wonder if it could open the door for a Campbell trade at the deadline. I think it’s going to be difficult for them to get a haul from him with his contract desires. It might be an opportunity for the Oilers to get out of the Campbell contract even if Hellebuyck walks. Winnipeg is one team that might not mind that Campbell has a contract for 3 more years.

Hopefully Campbell has a good season for everyones sake though.
 

duul

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It was reported by Seravalli that Brown had multi year offers worth more then what he’s making here.

Why don’t you stick to just making things up about players housing situations.
Worth more over two years maybe. Nobody was offering him a higher aav. Why would they? I can see a 2x2 or 2.2 x 2 or something. Nobody was giving this guy 4.5x2 if that what you’re implying brother.

We must also consider most of the media lauded the contract saying we signed brown to a 1 year 975k or whatever it is, that it was the steal of the Free agency period — not knowing or considering the bonus.
 

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But sometimes it's just learning how not to lose the game instead of learning how to win it.

“I think we're the best team in the league at really, clearly winning a game. I think we're not so great (when it comes to) finding ways to lose games,” he said. “It's just a little bit of maturity. You know, sometimes you’ve got to go through these pains and tough times to learn from them.”

“It was a collection of little mistakes that add up, to lose the series,” said captain Connor McDavid, when asked on Wednesday at press conference for next month's Heritage Classic game. “Looking back, we're sitting there in Game 5, five minutes left in the second and in a real good place — on the road and up by a goal. Feeling good about ourselves. And you find a way to be down two (goals) heading into the third period.

“It's a collection of mistakes throughout the series that add up to a series loss. Something that we’ll fix throughout the course of year.”


Spector is often like a pebble in a shoe. He's a grating personality with some awful hot takes. That said, he's unafraid to ask hard questions and this article is an example of that. At the root of the issue is the Oilers remaining key learning is how to limit their tendency for self-inflicted damage whether deviating from their systems, soft own zone coverage, or in opportune penalties. These breakdowns were the difference in a wildly volatile series against Vegas.

Repeating myself yet again, this team's final piece is with their goal suppression work and building up their structure, discipline, work rate and ultimately greater consistency to mitigate the mistakes that true Cup teams learn to master.
 

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We are giving Connor Brown 4 million dollars to play hockey here for one season. Call that whatever you want, no other team was going to give him 4 million dollars to play a season of hockey. Seravelli would have never implied that either.
What Seravalli said was that Brown le
We are giving Connor Brown 4 million dollars to play hockey here for one season. Call that whatever you want, no other team was going to give him 4 million dollars to play a season of hockey. Seravelli would have never implied that either.
Well what Seravalli said was that Brown left more guaranteed money at term on the table to come here. And when a guy like Compher is getting 5x5 and Rodrigue getting 3x4 I’m inclined to believe Brown could have gotten at least 10-12M. So yeah pretty big risk for a guy coming off an injury to take a deal like he did.

Bottom line is Holland upgraded a position AND saved cap space. He did it for as little as .775k but with the flexibility to possibly put 2M on this years cap or even the whole thing, unlikely but he could do it if he wanted to.
 

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Worth more over two years maybe. Nobody was offering him a higher aav. Why would they? I can see a 2x2 or 2.2 x 2 or something. Nobody was giving this guy 4.5x2 if that what you’re implying brother.

We must also consider most of the media lauded the contract saying we signed brown to a 1 year 975k or whatever it is, that it was the steal of the Free agency period — not knowing or considering the bonus.
Who was saying this lmao. Quite literally the whole narrative at the time was that the Oilers needed to get creative w/ the cap. It was well known that it was gonna be a bonus deal to loophole the cap

The bonus was NOT even remotely a surprise.....to anyone

This might be more of a fabrication than T. Hall's real estate dealings
 

bobbythebrain

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It was reported by Seravalli that Brown had multi year offers worth more then what he’s making here.

Why don’t you stick to just making things up about players housing situations.
Correction: He didn't make up the Hall stuff. He stole it off the main rumor board. Some clown wrote a novel sized post detailing a bunch of bs about how they had all these confirmed facts about Hall coming here, including buying a house

Duul came on here a couple hours later, I;m sure after reading that, then proceeded to plagerize the entire post to everyone in PMs as his own

Funny enough, he blasted me 2 pages ago as someone who doesn't engage in "real hockey" conversations
 

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I don't know. Players who are way better than him went for way less. Hard to say. Had to be below 3 mil. He took our deal because he's getting paid the most. How can you justify him making more than a guy like Matt Duchene? Duchene put up 86 points two years ago, 56 points last year. High skilled centreman.

Connor Brown is a guy who has barely broke 40 points once in his career. Duchene is far better. Nobody was giving Connor Brown the 4 million a year that we are, by way of some scam that ultimately rapes us next year.

Keep in mind Yamamoto's career high is 41 points. Brown's is 43. Similar ppg across career, both RW's without great shots. We spent how much to 'upgrade' this position? I am happy we rid ourselves of Yamo but shocked people find this deal for Brown enticing.

Again, look at the clip of Holland stating how bad it will be for us next season. Simple as.
Who do you think were his closest contract comparables this offseason that went for less/were better than him?
 
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