Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Lavoie Vs. Pederson Vs. Sutter Vs. Gagner Vs. Caggiula

[duul]

It's not that these posters criticize decisions. That's their personality on this board. It's all they talk about. Always a negative viewpoint. And when the team is successful...crickets.

Just a repetitive drone of negative bullshit.

We have, at best, won half the games needed to get the only thing of meaning in the sport.

There are people in this world who are not content cheering for mediocrity and half-measures. Some people like to look for ways to improve areas of perceived weakness at all times. If you’re a fair weather fans that’s your perogative. If you get sick and tired of reading people citing issues they feel are hampering the team in the off-season, block them, log off, or join in.

 

[joestevens29]

I actually do agree there's been a lack of action....but realistically if people weren't so addicted to responding to his obvious rage-baiting posts, the problem with Cool and the Gang would sort itself on its own.

The action should come mid season. No need to blow assets now when there are questions marks that may fill voids. Just like last year

 

[SupremeTeam16]

It's not that these posters criticize decisions. That's their personality on this board. It's all they talk about. Always a negative viewpoint. And when the team is successful...crickets.

Just a repetitive drone of negative bullshit.

It’s been a constant moving of goal posts for these guys as the team has improved. The Oilers could win a cup and they’d say we should be winning multiple. It would seriously take a dynasty to shut these guys up. I also love the “sorry I don’t have mediocre expectations” line, it really displays a completely lack of understanding and lack of respect for how difficult winning a championship at this level is.

 

[K1984]

Hmm, yea, don't know about that one. Laughing out loud trying to count the instances in which any of Nurse, Ceci, Kulak, Broberg, Desharnais, Ekholm make that pass. Less than one handful per season. There are tons of wonderful deft plays like that from this kid. 8x8 is a steal.

Never mind you’re right. Cross zone passes by our d men literally never happen.

Yes, I am laughing out loud.

 

[duul]

It’s been a constant moving of goal posts for these guys as the team has improved. The Oilers could win a cup and they’d say we should be winning multiple. It would seriously take a dynasty to shut these guys up. I also love the “sorry I don’t have mediocre expectations” line, it really displays a completely lack of understanding and lack of respect for how difficult winning a championship at this level is.

I am part of 'these guys' you refer to.

The way I see it is that when a problem is dealt with, it can be moved on from, and we can talk about other issues until the team is perfected or the championship has been won. Different kinds of personalities litter this forum, at the end of the day it's just a bit of forum posting. I enjoy my conversations with people like Drivesaitl, Fourier, Anarchism, Broberg Speed, BEL, and some others. Not sure how much they enjoy their conversations with me, but that's what I try to focus on. I enjoy looking at alternatives, comparisons. I love the game of hockey.

Make no mistake, I have been here since a child in the summer of 06 (yes my join date is 2010 I lost access as a kid to the original) I'll always be an Oilers fan. Nobody posting here regularly hates the team or wants to see them fail, we are all on the same page here -- we only have different ideas of what it acceptable and what isn't, and how the success that we all want can be found.

I appreciate the conversations I do have with people who are willing to discuss nuanced aspects of the sport, weird angles, takes of all types. It's something to do in the middle of the summer. Some people don't enjoy that and/or aren't capable of partaking in them, and that's fine by me. I try to ignore the ones who have done nothing for years but throw quips at other users. Surely that has to be a worse form of spam.

 

[Broberg Speed]

 

[Broberg Speed]

It’s been a constant moving of goal posts for these guys as the team has improved. The Oilers could win a cup and they’d say we should be winning multiple. It would seriously take a dynasty to shut these guys up. I also love the “sorry I don’t have mediocre expectations” line, it really displays a completely lack of understanding and lack of respect for how difficult winning a championship at this level is.

As long as it's Oilers talk it's all good.

 

[Senor Catface]

The action should come mid season. No need to blow assets now when there are questions marks that may fill voids. Just like last year

haha, I meant more action towards the posters in question. I agree with you about the when the hockey action will happen for sure.

 

[duul]

Never mind you’re right. Cross zone passes by our d men literally never happen.

Yes, I am laughing out loud.

If you can't see why that play was incredibly impressive then there wouldn't be much point in talking about it further.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

haha, I meant more action towards the posters in question. I agree with you about the when the hockey action will happen for sure.

One is a bigot, through and through.

 

[Soundwave]

It's not that these posters criticize decisions. That's their personality on this board. It's all they talk about. Always a negative viewpoint. And when the team is successful...crickets.

Just a repetitive drone of negative bullshit.

What's that saying about the idiot parent who expects a trophy for parenting their kids well (giving them love, discipline, attention, etc.) ... there is no trophy for that dumb f***, that's what a parent is supposed to do.

You're supposed to win Cups with a generational player. That's not a "man these fans in Edmonton are crazy" thing. That's a "that's what it is in every sport" thing ... basketball if anything is worse (people losing their minds that LeBron hadn't won by year 5).

Honest question to anyone, if I told everyone on this board the day McDavid was drafted that not only would McDavid be as good as Crosby, he'd be better likely and score at a rate not seen since the days of Mario + Wayne ... and even MORE than that the Oilers were sitting on a gold mine in Leon Draisaitl.

Remember when we drafted Leon Draisaitl and the "dare to dream" high end expectation for him was "maybe he'll be like 60% of Kopitar" ... but instead he's turned out to be a league MVP, 50+ goal scorer, 120+ point player, highest PPG in the playoffs in the modern era, top 3-4 player in the world good.

Knowing that in April 2015, would you be happy hearing that the Oilers in 8 years had won no games past the 2nd round?

Anyone here who is saying "yeah I wouldn't be fairly disappointed hearing that" is lying out of their ass.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

So some trade i suggested earlier...

June 3rd...Yamo and 2nd 24 for Lorentz and Eetu (for the farm)

July 15ish -- Broberg for Kovacevic (yes giving up Brobergs potential)

August -- Buy FA Nick Ritchie(850K)

Lavoie Pedersen Janmark go to the farm along with Nemo.

See this is what I was talking about earlier.

These aren’t moves that improve the Oilers. It’s just moves for the sake of making moves.

 

[duul]

What's that saying about the idiot parent who expects a trophy for parenting their kids well (giving them love, discipline, attention, etc.) ... there is no trophy for that dumb f***, that's what a parent is supposed to do.

You're supposed to win Cups with a generational player. That's not a "man these fans in Edmonton are crazy" thing. That's a "that's what it is in every sport" thing ... basketball if anything is worse (people losing their minds that LeBron hadn't won by year 5).

Honest question to anyone, if I told everyone on this board the day McDavid was drafted that not only would McDavid be as good as Crosby, he'd be better likely and score at a rate not seen since the days of Mario + Wayne ... and even MORE than that the Oilers were sitting on a gold mine in Leon Draisaitl.

Remember when we drafted Leon Draisaitl and we the slam dunk expectation for him was "maybe he'll be like 60% of Kopitar" ... but instead he's turned out to be a league MVP, 50+ goal scorer, 120+ point player, highest PPG in the playoffs in the modern era, top 3-4 player in the world good.

Knowing that in April 2015, would you be happy hearing that the Oilers in 8 years had won no games past the 2nd round?

Anyone here who is saying "yeah I wouldn't be fairly disappointed hearing that" is lying out of their ass.

You should see when the other great stars and dynasties of this era won their Cups. Pittsburgh, Chicago, L.A.

Edmonton is already close to Washington/Ovechkin territory for a Cup coming way later than it was supposed to. Another failure or two and then what? The window has been decimated with new contracts for Bouch/Draisaitl/McDavid.

The fact that some posters here are content with this shows that they are simply here for a good time and don't actually mind how the club does. And if that's the case they shouldn't be attacking others for caring more or enjoying discussing these topics. Come back for the GDT's to type out nice goal or great win or something like that.

 

[Soundwave]

You should see when the other great stars and dynasties of this era won their Cups. Pittsburgh, Chicago, L.A.

Edmonton is already close to Washington/Ovechkin territory for a Cup coming way later than it was supposed to. Another failure or two and then what? The window has been decimated with new contracts for Bouch/Draisaitl/McDavid.

The fact that some posters here are content with this shows that they are simply here for a good time and don't actually mind how the club does. And if that's the case they shouldn't be attacking others for caring more or enjoying discussing these topics. Come back for the GDT's to type out nice goal or great win or something like that.

Even Washington, like Backstrom was good but he's no where near as good as Draisaitl is. Draisaitl is a legit top 3-4 player in the sport, especially in the playoffs.

If I told anyone on this board how good McDavid and how much of a jack pot the Oilers were sitting on with Draisaitl (this is like finding out you've won two lotteries in a row), lets be honest, your immediate thought would be "wow, that's gotta mean a Cup or two after a few years, right at least one Finals on the lowest end of the spectrum?".

 

[duul]

Even Washington, like Backstrom was good but he's no where near as good as Draisaitl is. Draisaitl is a legit top 3-4 player in the sport, especially in the playoffs.

If I told anyone on this board how good McDavid and how much of a jack pot the Oilers were sitting on with Draisaitl (this is like finding out you've won two lotteries in a row), lets be honest, your immediate thought would be "wow, that's gotta mean a Cup or two after a few years, right at least one Finals on the lowest end of the spectrum?".

Maybe a win in the semifinals or something. Nope...

 

[Soundwave]

Maybe a win in the semifinals or something. Nope...

I remember the idea of Draisaitl being even a Kopitar tier player would make me giddy to the point where I had to go "no, don't even entertain that thought, no way does that happen."

And here we are. And yet ... here the team is, lol.

Even McDavid ... like I expected a lot, but I never thought I'd see anything resembling like 60+ goals and 150+ points. That was completely unthinkable in 2015 ... that doesn't happen anymore, no one can do that, what is this the 80s or something?

When Kucherov had 128 points and I was keeping track hoping Connor could keep up I remember thinking "man 128 points is so ridiculous, no one can do that unless the stars align perfectly, you have to have the perfect high scoring team and everything going right for that to ever happen again". McDavid blew that away, lol.

 

[duul]

I remember the idea of Draisaitl being even a Kopitar tier player would make me giddy to the point where I had to go "no, don't even entertain that thought, no way does that happen".

And here we are. And yet ... here the team is, lol.

Even McDavid ... like I expected a lot, but I never thought I'd see anything resembling like 60+ goals and 150+ points. That was completely unthinkable circa 2015 ... that doesn't happen anymore, no one can do that, what is this the 80s or something?

McDavid and Draisaitl are the two best forwards in the league, it's remarkable how blessed we are to have both. I'm not convinced spending all of our money on forwards with both of them on the team was the right decision.

 

[GOilers88]

There's no question it was a gamble that paid off handsomely. Signing young players to lengthy terms always carries a degree of risk, even with the likes of McDavid.

It's really a choice of "give good money to proven vet and hope it doesn't fall off too soon" or "give good money to young core piece and hope he puts it all together".

We all know how paying aging vets usually works out in the end. Nothing wrong with going the other route either.

 

[duul]

This timestamp should send shivers down your back. We are still multiple significant pieces away from being a Colorado/Tampa type of contender, the episode titled 'Win Now Mode', and Holland saying THAT!?

I appreciate @Fourier trying to tell us the Brown deal is no big deal at all, but even the GM is saying it's going to be a real big problem next year. Oh well though!

 

[Broberg Speed]

This timestamp should send shivers down your back. We are still multiple significant pieces away from being a Colorado/Tampa type of contender, the episode titled 'Win Now Mode', and Holland saying THAT!?

I appreciate @Fourier trying to tell us the Brown deal is no big deal at all, but even the GM is saying it's going to be a real big problem next year. Oh well though!

THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

 

[Oilslick941611]

It's not that these posters criticize decisions. That's their personality on this board. It's all they talk about. Always a negative viewpoint. And when the team is successful...crickets.

Just a repetitive drone of negative bullshit.

It's always the same people as well, to be fair I have 99% of them blocked, reading this thread is just a lot of " You are ignoring content by this member. Show ignored content " I can probably guess what they are saying.

 

[Homesick]

I just think there is a lot less risk when signing a forward with close to 200 games under his belt than a d-man with less than 80 to long-term deals.

That whole sophomore slump is something real that we see every year and some guys never quite recover.

Tyler Myers is a prime example

 

[TheNumber4]

Spec is still a tool I see and a Sportsnet Toronto undercover agent.

Hey Leon, last year you said it’s Cup or Bust, can you elaborate on the bust part for Oilers fans? (Please say you’ll leave)

Hey Connor, everyone is excited that Jeff Jackson was hired and thinking this means you stay, can you throw cold water on that? (Please say you’ll leave)

 

[McAsuno]

 

[mkatcherin00]

Spec is that one casual loser who shows up to a playoff watch party or something with your buddies and purposely and loudly cheers for the opposite team to be controversial and to get a rise out of people.