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Every time something is revealed about Holland's thought process it's always something atrocious. Klingberg is the last thing this team needs.
Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Kane to Return Soon, What Does Holland Do to Get Cap Compliant?
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Who the hell knows. Maybe that was the case but it definitely wouldn't have been the only move. Barrie would have been traded, maybe with JP+ for Chychrun if they signed Klingberg. There's been smoke around JP and Chychrun that for a while. Glad they kept Barrie and didn't sign Klingberg but no way we keep all of Cecee, Barrie, Bouchard and Klingberg on the right side.
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Holland's always talked about having a long, mobile d-corp. And listening to his coach we hear sound bytes talking about the best way to defend is to have the puck more. Holland and Woodcroft look to covet a high end, elite RD skill defensemen 'type' which is certainly Karlsson and how Klingberg was perceived before sucking into the Ducks malaise (after walking from Dallas's big money term offer). By Friedman's opinion, It looks like Klingberg is no longer a consideration.
Seems to me they believe the top pair RD needs to be solidified with high skill, size and strong to elite skating ability. Puck transporter types with strong processors.
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My guess is both Barrie and Bouchard would have been moved. Barrie for a song and a dance, Bouchard for a haul.
I can sort of see the logic, if you can lock up Klinkberg for cheaper than Bouchard would have cost, it makes some sense to grab all the assets and cap space you can. Age be damned, Klingberg at ~5 to 6mil + a ton of other assets helps you win more than Bouchard alone over the next 3 years.
The only thing is, is Klingberg any better than Barrie? Both are past their 30th birthday, with fading skating, are (and always have been) useless defensively, but still offer ton of offensive talent and ability.
From Friedman today. With the hope that Evander Kane will be back Tuesday against Seattle, it was interesting Edmonton didn’t put anyone on waivers Monday afternoon. Mattias Janmark and Klim Kostin earned their roster spots, so the Oilers could have surprised us with an unexpected name. They need the cap space to activate Kane, which means they have another move up their sleeve, or, unfortunately, there’s another injury. We will find out soon.
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The good for the current NHL lineup:
Hyman contract
Ceci contract
Nugent Hopkins contract
Evander Kane signing and contracts
Kulak trade and contract
McLeod patience and contract
Janmark contract
Skinner patience and contract
Klim Kostin trade
Didn't trade those two guys who play center
Keeping his first round picks/prospects which resulted in:
Bouchard
McLeod
Holloway
Broberg
Skinner
The looks good but/or too early to tell:
Desharnais
Campbell
The borderline contracts:
Nurse
Barrie
Underperforming contracts due to different reasons:
Puljujarvi
Foegele
Yamamoto
Ryan
Shore
Murray
Definitely a lot of good in there.
Nothing official from the club other than he didn’t feel right. Stauffer and Rishaug talking post concussion syndrome. Expect we find out later today.
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but/or too early to tell...
He was the hardest to compartmentalize. Very much a high and low so far, but he has played better lately while also changing his equipment. He could run a .920 for the next five games and his save% would still suck.
Too early to tell because of his recent improvement and willingness to improve/change.
Not sure you can credit the guy for not trading Connor McDavid or Leon Draisaitl lol.
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I assume Yamo on LTIR until the playoffs would essentially fix the cap space issues. Looks like it would allow the team to run a 22 man roster until the playoffs when everything is then freed up and Yamo (hopefully) becomes healthy again.
nexttothemoon
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Put me in the camp of really not understanding the apparent last off-season infatuation with Klingberg.
Could there be a more sideways/lateral move than bringing in Klingberg and moving out Barrie? Players have almost identical career stats... Barrie .641 pts a game... Klingberg .658 ... so close it's negligible at best... and in fact Klingberg is probably more injury prone looking at their games played stats.
Could there be a more sideways/lateral move than bringing in Klingberg and moving out Barrie? Players have almost identical career stats... Barrie .641 pts a game... Klingberg .658 ... so close it's negligible at best... and in fact Klingberg is probably more injury prone looking at their games played stats.
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I agree Klingberg likely isn't the right fix for our group, but given how poorly Fowler and Kulikov have also looked on the Ducks this year, I'm thinking he might not be as bad as he's played, I think bad coaching and low morale is also playing into things.
With respect to Chychrun I'm guessing it might just be his old school impulses, in his history he has been open to acquiring young players, but it's generally young players looking for a second chance on the cheap, not young players required to play a critical role. Holland's general career strategy has been trusting homegrown youth and then adding veteran mercenaries to patch the holes and sprinkle in the odd reclamation project.
I agree with most of this with the exception of Nurse’s contract. Good player, but given the AAV, he belongs in the ‘underperforming’ category.
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I was critical of this plan but if this is reoccurring concussion issues it would be reasonable. The best treatment for a significant concussion is complete rest. The longer the better.
If(!) it's a reoccuring concussion it may unfortunately be close to game over for Yamo. Staying out till the playoffs might be a way to lessen the risk of ruining his life, but to get back with a new try when the team needs it most.
A third concussion in a short time could also mean Yamamoto starts to think that he's already made a nice amount of money and he could have a good life without health issues that one or two more concussions might bring. I'm sure it would hurt, but it would be easier by time as he's already proved something to himself and others.
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Completely agree. Big game hunting for an impact player is definitely the way to go. And Chychrun’s bargain contract fits the timeline with going all in before Connor and Drai’s deals run out.
I also don’t buy the narrative that Chychrun isn’t the right type of Dman to target coming from some people??? A guy that would be our number one D man wouldn’t be a good target? News to me. I think Ceci paired with Chychrun provides some balance/complimentary styles, then put Nurse with Barrie (both had their best seasons paired together)
If we could pull off the proposed deal in your post while adding Foegele for cap purposes, then do a little tweak at forward (let’s say Puljujarvi + 3rd for Nyquist @ 50%), we’d have a roster that feels like it could go all the way.
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When they gave Yamamoto a 2 year deal I said he'll never play as many games as he did last season. Unfortunately I was right.
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Yamamoto is on record saying he tried to get a deal done for more than two years. Guess he knew he was very lucky to play so many games last season with his size and playing style.
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This is really gross. He's just trying to get the best deal he can, because that's what players do. WTF.
He probably was aware of the risks in his case, but on the other hand many players try to get the safety of having multiple years locked. But I think it made sense for him to push for a longer deal and while I understand why Holland wanted to keep Yamamoto I think the 2nd year was a risk and it seems you were right about it. Of course things can still change, but it's been a shame to have a start of the season with so many health problems. At some point LTIR for the rest of the season may become an option that plays a part in trades and cap issues.
I agree with you that Yamo didn't do anything wrong or untypical, but I didn't read Kaptah's post like he'd meant that. Anyway, health issues are always a shame and you never know how they go. Some players are more prone to them and I guess it's safe to say Yamamoto is one of them. I do hope he recovers soon, whatever he has.
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I am pretty sure you know many players prefer a short contract to bump their value up.
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