Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Kane to Return Soon, What Does Holland Do to Get Cap Compliant?

[Canovin]

I posted it yesterday.

To VAN: Yamo, Puljujarvi, Bourgault, a 2023 1st, a 2024 1st and a 2025 3rd

To EDM: Horvat ($1.5M retained) and Lazar.

Remove Lazar and add Kuzmenko. Also add Foegele

We fix the Oilers in one swoop

 

[AddyTheWrath]

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Remove Lazar and add Kuzmenko. Also add Foegele

We fix the Oilers in one swoop

I thought about that. I like Lazar as a cheap RH center, and I think the Nucks are about to give Kuzmenko Horvat's money.

He seems to like the drama there.

 

[Fourier]

Is that enough though to put Barrie in the good category? He does generally play third pairing and isn't a good PKer. He is not physical or a fast skater.

If he had a contract similar to Ceci, then he would be in that good territory, but he doesn't. So the facts appear to suggest borderline.

Barrie is not bleeding goals against on the third pair but he most certainly helps on the pp. There are only 15 defensemen who have over the last three years averaged more points per game than Barrie. Only one makes close to what Barrie makes and that is Anthony Deangelo at $5M. Krug has a cap hit of $6.5M and the next lowest paid is Morgan Rielly at $7.5M.

Barrie is somewhat unusual in that he is often playing on the third pairing defensively. But the reality is that for defensemen offense gets you paid. In that regard Barrie is actually very much worth his money.

 

[Harry Curry]

Is that enough though to put Barrie in the good category?

Make another category to separate Barrie and Nurse. Any categorization that lumps Barrie and Nurse together is meaningless.

 

[McJadeddog]

I acually agree that McDavid is likely to sign for close to what he is now making. I could see both taking front loaded 8 year deals with Leon being in the $12.5-13M range and McDavid at say $14M.

Leon's deal would be more dangerous I believe because of the physical nature of his game. But you worry about him being 35 when that happens not in the next few years.

Agree on all counts. Drai will be 29 when the new deal kicks in. He should have 3-4 solid years left. Roughly the same could be said for McDavid, although I would bet on him having 1 or 2 more years (barring injuries) at a really high level than Drai as he is a better player overall and will be 1 year younger when his new deal starts.

The numbers you are guessing at make a lot of sense in my head. Especially if they talk about doing a "package deal" with one another, and of COURSE they are going to talk to each other. If Drai signs, I think that all but assures that Connor will as well to be honest.

 

[Canovin]

Barrie is not bleeding goals against on the third pair but he most certainly helps on the pp. There are only 15 defensemen who have over the last three years averaged more points per game than Barrie. Only one makes close to what Barrie makes and that is Anthony Deangelo at $5M. Krug has a cap hit of $6.5M and the next lowest paid is Morgan Rielly at $7.5M.

Barrie is somewhat unusual in that he is often playing on the third pairing defensively. But the reality is that for defensemen offense gets you paid. In that regard Barrie is actually very much worth his money.

Playing Barrie on the 3rd pairing and on the PP and Ceci/Desharnais/Bouchard playing above him is simply just playing to our strength. The Oilers are winning games because of this formula. $4.5M is fair, if anything it's actually considered good. As I mention before, he will likely re-sign with the Oilers in a year for even less and leaving some $$ for the rest of the team

 

[McJadeddog]

Yamamoto also contributes by making room for Kane. 6.2M well spent.

It wouldn't be surprising to see them shut Yams down for the rest of the year if the rumors of concussion symptoms are correct. This will be doubly true if the team manages to have a good record without him in the lineup. It allows them to be cap compliant and gives Yams the time he needs to hopefully fully recover.

 

[Da McBomb]

If Matthews gets something like 13 to 15 million per season in his next deal, what makes some of you guys think McDavid would take a discount and sign for something similar to what he is making now? I hope you guys are right but McDavid clearly deserves to be the highest paid player in the league... so I'm not as optimistic as some of you about him re-signing at a friendly home discount. As for Draisaitl who has been criminally underpaid, I think he deserves a big raise on his next deal. And there will be plenty of teams willing to offer him big money. I think the biggest draw and reason for him to re-sign here and stay here is McDavid, so I'm hoping and praying that both of them both decide to stay.

 

[Canovin]

Agree on all counts. Drai will be 29 when the new deal kicks in. He should have 3-4 solid years left. Roughly the same could be said for McDavid, although I would bet on him having 1 or 2 more years (barring injuries) at a really high level than Drai as he is a better player overall and will be 1 year younger when his new deal starts.

The numbers you are guessing at make a lot of sense in my head. Especially if they talk about doing a "package deal" with one another, and of COURSE they are going to talk to each other. If Drai signs, I think that all but assures that Connor will as well to be honest.

McDavid's 3-4 solid years would be 1.5PPG. His down years after that will still be PPG

If Matthews gets something like 13 to 15 million per season in his next deal, what makes some of you guys think McDavid would take a discount and sign for something similar to what he is making now? I hope you guys are right but McDavid clearly deserves to be the highest paid player in the league... so I'm not as optimistic as some of you about him re-signing at a friendly home discount. As for Draisaitl who has been criminally underpaid, I think he deserves a big raise on his next deal. And there will be plenty of teams willing to offer him big money. I think the biggest draw and reason for him to re-sign here and stay here is McDavid, so I'm hoping and praying that both of them both decide to stay.

Let's just hope McDavid get one or two cups before his deal expires so he might sign a deal like Crosby and keep his cap hit at $12.5M

 

[Roderek]

Agree on all counts. Drai will be 29 when the new deal kicks in. He should have 3-4 solid years left. Roughly the same could be said for McDavid, although I would bet on him having 1 or 2 more years (barring injuries) at a really high level than Drai as he is a better player overall and will be 1 year younger when his new deal starts.

The numbers you are guessing at make a lot of sense in my head. Especially if they talk about doing a "package deal" with one another, and of COURSE they are going to talk to each other. If Drai signs, I think that all but assures that Connor will as well to be honest.

I think it all comes down to what McDavid wants. I truly believe the only way the Oilers can keep them both is if McDavid does not take a raise. When the time comes, he needs to decide if he wants to win in Edmonton, or be the highest paid player. I personally do not see Drai taking a deep discount, he is going to want to get paid. I think he is going to want to be paid = or more then whatever, Matthews signs for.

If McDavid wants to be the highest paid player, Draisaitl needs to be traded. The Oilers will not be able to build a contender around 2 players making 14-16mil each. At 90mil salary cap Connor could get up to 18 mil/season.

Obviosuly if they win cups prior to this it will change his mentality.

 

[Whyme]

It wouldn't be surprising to see them shut Yams down for the rest of the year if the rumors of concussion symptoms are correct. This will be doubly true if the team manages to have a good record without him in the lineup. It allows them to be cap compliant and gives Yams the time he needs to hopefully fully recover.

If it indeed is another concussion it's best for Yamamoto to be aside for a very long time. Possibly even the rest of the season. I don't know if it's still the same and I could be wrong, but at least some years ago this many concussions made it risky to continue a career even after a long rest. It must be tough for the player, but there's life after hockey.

 

[SnipeShowJB11]

If Matthews gets something like 13 to 15 million per season in his next deal, what makes some of you guys think McDavid would take a discount and sign for something similar to what he is making now? I hope you guys are right but McDavid clearly deserves to be the highest paid player in the league... so I'm not as optimistic as some of you about him re-signing at a friendly home discount. As for Draisaitl who has been criminally underpaid, I think he deserves a big raise on his next deal. And there will be plenty of teams willing to offer him big money. I think the biggest draw and reason for him to re-sign here and stay here is McDavid, so I'm hoping and praying that both of them both decide to stay.

Absolutely laughable if Matthews tops Mackinnon lol. That Matthews contract is really going to make us pay for McDavid. Matthews looks like a half nothing player this year as well.

 

[Canovin]

If McDavid re-signs for the same deal, he would clear $200M. That's without any endorsements.

He might take a team friendly deal this time around.

 

[Fourier]

I think it all comes down to what McDavid wants. I truly believe the only way the Oilers can keep them both is if McDavid does not take a raise. When the time comes, he needs to decide if he wants to win in Edmonton, or be the highest paid player. I personally do not see Drai taking a deep discount, he is going to want to get paid. I think he is going to want to be paid = or more then whatever, Matthews signs for.

If McDavid wants to be the highest paid player, Draisaitl needs to be traded. The Oilers will not be able to build a contender around 2 players making 14-16mil each. At 90mil salary cap Connor could get up to 18 mil/season.

Obviosuly if they win cups prior to this it will change his mentality.

If the salary cap is at around $94M when McDavid signs, which would be conservatives, that would mean that even at $14M and $16M the two contracts would eat up only $9M of the additional $11.5M cap space.

The Oilers are currently running with just a hair under $5M in dead cap space. Recover that and you have $7.5M with this roster as it is. Factor in that you won't have Barrie making $4.5M on your third pairing and that Kane's deal expires that year. But I'd be shocked if they both asked for those values.

I would not worry about paying them if they want to stay.

 

[Louis Cypher]

My guess is both Barrie and Bouchard would have been moved. Barrie for a song and a dance, Bouchard for a haul.

I can sort of see the logic, if you can lock up Klinkberg for cheaper than Bouchard would have cost, it makes some sense to grab all the assets and cap space you can. Age be damned, Klingberg at ~5 to 6mil + a ton of other assets helps you win more than Bouchard alone over the next 3 years.

The only thing is, is Klingberg any better than Barrie? Both are past their 30th birthday, with fading skating, are (and always have been) useless defensively, but still offer ton of offensive talent and ability.

Sorry I think your wrong on both counts. No way they trade Bouchard. What then run Cecee and Klingberg as the only right shots? Barrie would have gotten a good return. He was the top scoring dMan last year. Teams need right shot offensive defensmen.

 

[FlameChampion]

If Matthews gets something like 13 to 15 million per season in his next deal, what makes some of you guys think McDavid would take a discount and sign for something similar to what he is making now? I hope you guys are right but McDavid clearly deserves to be the highest paid player in the league... so I'm not as optimistic as some of you about him re-signing at a friendly home discount. As for Draisaitl who has been criminally underpaid, I think he deserves a big raise on his next deal. And there will be plenty of teams willing to offer him big money. I think the biggest draw and reason for him to re-sign here and stay here is McDavid, so I'm hoping and praying that both of them both decide to stay.

Lets be real. McDavid deserves whatever he wants.

But its very hard to win a cup with him making 12.5 mil ... and Draisaitl making 8.5 mil ... (when they signed the contracts). And now we have Nurse at 9.25mil which makes it very difficult. Flat cap hasnt helped at all.

McDavid and Draisaitl deserved the contracts that they signed and have lived upto them and then some. I dont think anyone can deny that. But if McDavid wants another raise on it (which he is entitled to), the chances of him winning a cup are much more difficult. If he wants a better chance at winning a cup, then signing a discount will help. I think thats just the facts.

 

[Paralyzer]

Sorry I think your wrong on both counts. No way they trade Bouchard. What then run Cecee and Klingberg as the only right shots? Barrie would have gotten a good return. He was the top scoring dMan last year. Teams need right shot offensive defensmen.

Actually, Bouchard had more points than Barrie last year, and Barrie didn't even crack the Top 30 in points for defenders. Not debating if he gets a return or not, but figure I'd point this out for clarification.

 

[stewy04]

No game day thread. Oilers next three games are against teams on a back to back. Time to get hot!

 

[McShogun99]

If Matthews gets something like 13 to 15 million per season in his next deal, what makes some of you guys think McDavid would take a discount and sign for something similar to what he is making now? I hope you guys are right but McDavid clearly deserves to be the highest paid player in the league... so I'm not as optimistic as some of you about him re-signing at a friendly home discount. As for Draisaitl who has been criminally underpaid, I think he deserves a big raise on his next deal. And there will be plenty of teams willing to offer him big money. I think the biggest draw and reason for him to re-sign here and stay here is McDavid, so I'm hoping and praying that both of them both decide to stay.

Crosby was never the highest paid player in the league even though he was the best player. Hopefully Mcdavid has a superstition that makes hi cap hit 9.7 million.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

Looks like we’ll be saying goodbye to Puljujarvi pretty soon

 

[McShogun99]

If the salary cap is at around $94M when McDavid signs, which would be conservatives, that would mean that even at $14M and $16M the two contracts would eat up only $9M of the additional $11.5M cap space.

The Oilers are currently running with just a hair under $5M in dead cap space. Recover that and you have $7.5M with this roster as it is. Factor in that you won't have Barrie making $4.5M on your third pairing and that Kane's deal expires that year. But I'd be shocked if they both asked for those values.

I would not worry about paying them if they want to stay.

Our cap situation is set up so only Hyman, RNH, Campbell and Nurse have contracts when Mcdavid's contract expires. We're in a good position to resign both if they want to be here.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

I wonder if the Yamo LTIR thing is a ploy by our management to get as close to the deadline as possible without having to run a 20 man roster.

Who am I kidding - we never snake the system like that

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I wonder if the Yamo LTIR thing is a ploy by our management to get as close to the deadline as possible without having to run a 20 man roster.

Who am I kidding - we never snake the system like that

It atleast buys them time, and I'm sure he's banged up. He would be in the line up if he wasn't, imo.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

Looks like we’ll be saying goodbye to Puljujarvi pretty soon

Still think there is a player somewhere in there, but we need that cap space ASAP.