Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Kane to Return Soon, What Does Holland Do to Get Cap Compliant?

[CupofOil]

Looks like we’ll be saying goodbye to Puljujarvi pretty soon

I wonder what "generates interest" means. Interested in taking an asset to take the Pulju contract or interested in giving up an asset for him. Can't see how it's the latter at this point. Maybe Pulju for Lafferty or somebody like that is possible?

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Instead of paying out the ying-yang for Edmundson I would pick-up Schenn for cheap (if we go that route).

He's a RHD, that's the only issue.

I wonder what "generates interest" means. Interested in taking an asset to take the Pulju contract or interested in giving up an asset for him. Can't see how it's the latter at this point.

At this point in the year, probably not that much. I posted this before, but a deal like Puljujarvi and 5th for Laferty makes some sense.

 

[CupofOil]

He gets, imo, 7x7, or there abouts. His production doesn't warrant much more. And I make that deal expecting and extension. That's not the price I pay for rental.

It would be great if they could fit Horvat in and get him for that, relatively, cheap (I think he gets 8 on the open market), I just don't think it's realistic and don't think it's wise to spend big for a rental forward who MIGHT re-sign. Trade lesser assets for Gavrikov if you're going the rental and potential re-sign route. More realistic in terms of getting him signed and in terms of asset management.

 

[GMofOilers]

So Bob just said Broberg broke ribs in rookie tournament. That’s why he got off to a slow start

 

[North]

I wonder what "generates interest" means. Interested in taking an asset to take the Pulju contract or interested in giving up an asset for him. Can't see how it's the latter at this point. Maybe Pulju for Lafferty or somebody like that is possible?

I think we all know we’re not going to be getting much for Jesse.

 

[Louis Cypher]

Actually, Bouchard had more points than Barrie last year, and Barrie didn't even crack the Top 30 in points for defenders. Not debating if he gets a return or not, but figure I'd point this out for clarification.

Sorry year before.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Holland said there was lots of interest, but no one made an offer that made the Oilers better today.

That's likely because Holland has no concept of the salary cap. Dropping $3M for a 3rd round pick would have definitely made the team better.

Weren’t you a big JP guy this off season?

 

[McJadeddog]

If Matthews gets something like 13 to 15 million per season in his next deal, what makes some of you guys think McDavid would take a discount and sign for something similar to what he is making now? I hope you guys are right but McDavid clearly deserves to be the highest paid player in the league... so I'm not as optimistic as some of you about him re-signing at a friendly home discount. As for Draisaitl who has been criminally underpaid, I think he deserves a big raise on his next deal. And there will be plenty of teams willing to offer him big money. I think the biggest draw and reason for him to re-sign here and stay here is McDavid, so I'm hoping and praying that both of them both decide to stay.

Agree on Drai, he will very rightly be looking for a big increase.

McDavid speculation is exactly that on my part, pure speculation. I just look at the VAST amount of money he will already have made, and will continue to make, and consider how much of a competitor he is, and how much he wants to win. I think he'll take quite a bit less than what he could theoretically get, wherever he ends up, in order to set that team up to be able to round out a roster. He'll have $125+ million already by the time he signs his next deal. Life isn't just about money, and he'll already have "generational wealth" by that point, with lots more coming (even with a very friendly deal).

 

[Canovin]

I really don't see trading for Horvat as trading for a rental. I think if anything trading for him also mean we get to keep McDavid and Drai on the team.
By the time their contracts are up, McDavid and Drai are probably telling themselves this is one of heck of a core and there's no other team with $30M in cap space for them without gutting their core

Horvat
Kane (possibly)
RNH
Hyman
Barrie(possibly)
Nurse
Broberg
Bouchard
McLeod

 

[Whyme]

I wonder what "generates interest" means. Interested in taking an asset to take the Pulju contract or interested in giving up an asset for him. Can't see how it's the latter at this point. Maybe Pulju for Lafferty or somebody like that is possible?

I still think GMs are stupid if they aren't ready to pay a small asset for him. It's just a bit over a year ago when it seemed some other teams were kicking themselves (this just based on media and these forums) for not getting him when he was available, but after a very quiet year they aren't interested when the price is practically zero. It's kind of like many fans chasing the players that are hot at the moment and losing interest when the player's production and thus price drops and they become available. Sometimes you need to get players when their value is low and Puljujarvi IMO would be a low risk option for some other teams.

 

[CupofOil]

I think we all know we’re not going to be getting much for Jesse.

Not getting much would be a win at this point. Getting a 7th to free up $3M would be huge, the return means nothing really, it's all about dumping $3M. Too bad because I think he has a niche in this league as a long time NHLer on a 3rd line but it's not happening here, clearly.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Doubtful. Full retention is already expected if there's going to be any sort of market for him and getting a second team to retain again would cost a late pick at most since it would mean very little in terms of actual cash.

Except over half the league is at the cap or deep into LTIR so cap is at more of a premium than ever.

So Bob just said Broberg broke ribs in rookie tournament. That’s why he got off to a slow start

Can he go more than 3 months without an injury?

 

[CycloneSweep]

I still think GMs are stupid if they aren't ready to pay a small asset for him. It's just a bit over a year ago when it seemed some other teams were kicking themselves (this just based on media and these forums) for not getting him when he was available, but after a very quiet year they aren't interested when the price is practically zero. It's kind of like many fans chasing the players that are hot at the moment and losing interest when the player's production and thus price drops and they become available. Sometimes you need to get players when their value is low and Puljujarvi IMO would be a low risk option for some other teams.

The issue is his qualifying offer and probable contract demands. Just wait till the off season and sign him for like 1.5 mill when no one pays him what he wants. Is probably what a lot of teams would be thinking

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

So Bob just said Broberg broke ribs in rookie tournament. That’s why he got off to a slow start

Makes a lot of sense with his tentative play. Strange that the guy was all over Broberg criticizing his play at camp, speculating maybe it was the muscle/weight gain that was a problem. Extreme opposite when he was overhyping the kid during the bubble training camp. Oiler hockey ops wisely keeping a fire wall between their work and the business's extended PR employees.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

It would be great if they could fit Horvat in and get him for that, relatively, cheap (I think he gets 8 on the open market), I just don't think it's realistic and don't think it's wise to spend big for a rental forward who MIGHT re-sign. Trade lesser assets for Gavrikov if you're going the rental and potential re-sign route. More realistic in terms of getting him signed and in terms of asset management.

Add Domi and gavrikov to this group and I think their in decent shape imo. But do call on Horvat to see what's up of course

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

At this point with Puljujarvi I'd be happy to just not have to add a sweetener to dump him at full salary. I get not trading him for a 3rd round pick or whatever this offseason in case 1st half 2021-22 Puljujarvi was the real player and not 2nd half 2021-22 Puljujarvi but big missed opportunity not flipping him for a comparable age player whose org was souring on him like Dylan Strome or Pavel Zacha considering those players are pacing for around 50 points on a similar contract range. Puljujarvi the player isn't that bad and would be an asset to the team at 1.5 million but 3 mil is just too much for him. Same story for Yamamoto/Noegoales.

 

[North]

Not getting much would be a win at this point. Getting a 7th to free up $3M would be huge, the return means nothing really, it's all about dumping $3M. Too bad because I think he has a niche in this league as a long time NHLer on a 3rd line but it's not happening here, clearly.

Yeah I agree. I think he’s a guy that needs a fresh start. I know some people don’t want to give up on him but at this point it would be best for him to move on.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Except over half the league is at the cap or deep into LTIR so cap is at more of a premium than ever.


Can he go more than 3 months without an injury?

I think Broberg is slowly figuring out how not to get clobbered haha

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Makes a lot of sense with his tentative play. Strange that the guy was all over Broberg criticizing his play at camp, speculating maybe it was the muscle/weight gain that was a problem. Extreme opposite when he was overhyping the kid during the bubble training camp. Oiler hockey ops wisely keeping a fire wall between their work and the business's extended PR employees.

Why the f*** would the team let Broberg play the rookie tourney with broken ribs. I believe stuff, but what are they doing

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Can he go more than 3 months without an injury?

Poor call. You've made clear your opinion on the 2019 draft and this player. Broberg just took a hard deflected shot between the eyes and returned to play within that game. Try playing any sport with broken ribs, let alone a high speed collision sport.

Bigger picture on an onboarding age 21 d-man is hopefully his injuries are bad luck over chronic issues. Making strides now that he's healthy. Helping this team win is vital.

 

[McShogun99]

I think JP will do better on another team but not come close to his draft potential. He just doesn't process the game fast enough to be a star but his physical attributes and natural talent could see him get around 25 goals a few times in his career. At this point just getting the cap space for us at the trade deadline is a win, whatever the return is will be gravy.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Why the f*** would the team let Broberg play the rookie tourney with broken ribs. I believe stuff, but what are they doing

Seems bizarre eh. Broken ribs seems excessive. I could imagine bruised ribs. Regardless in light of day there appears to be some underlaying medical issue for what was criticized as a sub-par camp.

 

[Whyme]

The issue is his qualifying offer and probable contract demands. Just wait till the off season and sign him for like 1.5 mill when no one pays him what he wants. Is probably what a lot of teams would be thinking

Yes, but how do you know he is available in the summer? I mean how do you know no-one else will be interested then? And how do you know he won't have a stronger end to the season and thus either have a higher price tag or he might have even signed an extension with the Oilers.

If only it was so easy that you could wait with every player till their price is lowest. The thing is you need to grab a player when there's a decent chance. If they lose a bit of salary at the end of this season it's not huge and anyway they'd have a better chance to negotiate a lower extension. That's how I see it.

 

[CupofOil]

Add Domi and gavrikov to this group and I think their in decent shape imo. But do call on Horvat to see what's up of course

It's worth a phone call for sure but the acquisition cost will likely be way too much (especially in division) and not really worth it for another big ticket forward. The Oilers already have their fill of big ticket forwards, 5 to be exact.

Depth and defense should be their focus from here on out. If the Oilers didn't have Nuge, I'd be all over Horvat (I'm a huge fan) but it's just not the right fit for the Oilers IMO. If they go bigger ticket, it needs to be defense like Chychrun who would be a big help and is already locked up at a bargain contract.

 

[FlameChampion]

I wonder what "generates interest" means. Interested in taking an asset to take the Pulju contract or interested in giving up an asset for him. Can't see how it's the latter at this point. Maybe Pulju for Lafferty or somebody like that is possible?

I watched Daily Face off and Seravelli implied that the Oilers could get an asset for JP. He didnt say what that value of the asset was. He did go on to say that there was some thought previously that the Oilers might have to give an asset to get rid of him but it didnt appear to be the case anymore. He said overall it was good news for the Oilers.