Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Kane to Return Soon, What Does Holland Do to Get Cap Compliant?

[Arpeggio]

I wonder if the Yamo LTIR thing is a ploy by our management to get as close to the deadline as possible without having to run a 20 man roster.

Who am I kidding - we never snake the system like that

I don't think they can afford to do stuff like that right now. If Yamo could play, Holland would happily waive Ryan to make that happen. If we were 15 points clear of the wild card, maybe you can work something like that out with a player.

 

[Spawn]

Still think there is a player somewhere in there, but we need that cap space ASAP.

There might be, but I think it’s clear by now it’s not going to be here.

Apparently the Canucks want U24 players who haven’t lived up to their hype.

Pulju for Luke Schenn.

 

[Arpeggio]

I still feel like the move that makes the most sense while improving the team would be picking up another top 6 forward. They're cheaper to acquire, and this team is so close to being unstoppable offensively. We saw what adding Kane did last season, imagine a guy like Horvat or Patrick Kane eating up some of those minutes against soft competition, while still playing McDavid and Draisaitl together. If they could grab Horvat for Puljujarvi, Foegele and picks, do it and then figure out the contract in the offseason.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

There might be, but I think it’s clear by now it’s not going to be here.

Apparently the Canucks want U24 players who haven’t lived up to their hype.

Pulju for Luke Schenn.

Puljujarvi for Lazar, fill a position of need, RH Center, and then go get a better defenseman.

 

[FlameChampion]

Looks like we’ll be saying goodbye to Puljujarvi pretty soon

I still think other teams would be smart to grab him (if it makes sense cap wise this year). I think he will do better in an American market out of the lime light.

 

[Spawn]

Puljujarvi for Lazar, fill a position of need, RH Center, and then go get a better defenseman.

Eh. I’m not much of a Lazar fan. I’d rather the depth D who can play than the depth C who can’t. I think I’d rather play Shore than Lazar, even with the handedness taken into account.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I still think other teams would be smart to grab him. I think he will do better in an American market out of the lime light.

Where the beat guys just cover the team, instead of picking out guys for stupid reasons/self important heroism.

Eh. I’m not much of a Lazar fan. I’d rather the depth D who can play than the depth C who can’t. I think I’d rather play Shore than Lazar, even with the handedness taken into account.

Fair, I just don't think Schenn brings anything at this point, but maybe I'm wrong.

Either way I hope a deal comes soon for the team and the player.

 

[Oilhawks]

I still think other teams would be smart to grab him (if it makes sense cap wise this year). I think he will do better in an American market out of the lime light.

He might just realize his current potential as a 3rd liner instead of being a 4th liner

 

[Zerotonine]

I agree with most of this with the exception of Nurse’s contract. Good player, but given the AAV, he belongs in the ‘underperforming’ category.

So does Campbell, but his play of late has definitely improved

 

[Canovin]

Pulju in a package deal for a big time player is more worth while than trading him for a 4th liner or #6 D.

Pulju+2024 1st+2023 2nd+Bourgault+Foegele for Horvat 2.5M retained.

2024 2nd if Horvat extends.

Activate Kane

 

[Biltmore]

Where the beat guys just cover the team, instead of picking out guys for stupid reasons/self important heroism.


Fair, I just don't think Schenn brings anything at this point, but maybe I'm wrong.

Either way I hope a deal comes soon for the team and the player.

Instead of paying out the ying-yang for Edmundson I would pick-up Schenn for cheap (if we go that route).

 

[Darkwinter]

Damn, If Edmonton does make a trade this wk I'm down a couple of hundred bucks............. Watch a trade come in the next 24hrs FFS

 

[Biltmore]

Damn, If Edmonton does make a trade this wk I'm down a couple of hundred bucks............. Watch a trade come in the next 24hrs FFS

Easy come easy go... LOL

 

[SupremeTeam16]

The issue to me is the QO this summer, I'd think teams would like to give him a reclamation tryout, but if they're not going to meet the QO then he's a UFA, and frankly based on his agent to this point, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't like the UFA offers and goes back to Finland anyway.

Why give up a decent asset for someone that's gonna fly the coop in 3 months anyway. If he were under contract for even 2 years there would have been a move by now. IMO, a failure of Holland to understand the market waiting on what nobody wants to pay, and not moving him this summer.

Oilers probably asking for a late pick or cheaper bottom 6 pk option but at this point they’d probably give him away.

A gm taking him gets to see him on their team for 25 games or so with basically no risk. And if they like what they see they don’t have to qualify him. Team would hold his rights can negotiate a contract with him before the deadline to qualify him and if they can’t reach an agreement then let him go unqualified.

 

[duul]

Ryan, Foegele, and Puljujarvi in one trade? Imagine the 1st round picks going the other way to make that work.

 

[belair]

Ryan, Foegele, and Puljujarvi in one trade? Imagine the 1st round picks going the other way to make that work.

Is that how you read that?

 

[AddyTheWrath]

There might be, but I think it’s clear by now it’s not going to be here.

Apparently the Canucks want U24 players who haven’t lived up to their hype.

Pulju for Luke Schenn.

Stauffer mentioned yesterday that they probably think Desharnais fills the same role as Schenn.

Puljujarvi for Horvat at 50%

 

[Oilhawks]

Stauffer mentioned yesterday that they probably think Desharnais fills the same role as Schenn.

Puljujarvi for Horvat at 50%

I'd agree that early returns would show him trending that way, yes. I think they will want to see if he can keep it up (and even continue to improve) before tossing a pick at a guy that would fill the same role. If they make a move for Schenn it would be closer to the TDL after they see about Vinny D.

 

[McBooya42]

Is that how you read that?

He would.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Still think there is a player somewhere in there, but we need that cap space ASAP.

Agreed but at this point the Oilers have tried everything to get it out of them and they’d be better off with the cap space now.

I still don’t think it’ll cost to move him and that they’ll either get a late pick or a substantially cheaper bottom 6 player that can pk.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Oilers probably asking for a late pick or cheaper bottom 6 pk option but at this point they’d probably give him away.

A gm taking him gets to see him on their team for 25 games or so with basically no risk. And if they like what they see they don’t have to qualify him. Team would hold his rights can negotiate a contract with him before the deadline to qualify him and if they can’t reach an agreement then let him go unqualified.

It's a free test drive on a former top 5 pick who's burned his way through his first NHL organization and one that has had its share of drama until finally stabilizing under Holland. No one is qualifying Puljujarvi at $3 million+.

My own guess for Puljujarvi will be about opportunity over money wherever he lands. (Another) value contract at one year in fresh snow to see if all the tools and toolkit can be realized away from the failed marriage in Edmonton. Reclamation projects like this all day long... for the right price and risk.

 

[CupofOil]

Holland said there was lots of interest, but no one made an offer that made the Oilers better today.

That's likely because Holland has no concept of the salary cap. Dropping $3M for a 3rd round pick would have definitely made the team better.

In the same token, the armchair GMs would have lost their shit if JP was traded for "only" a 3rd rounder in the offseason. Damned if you do, damned if you don't with Holland sometimes.

Obviously, in retrospect, Pulju for a 3rd would come in handy right about now but there was still some good feeling about him this offseason based on his 1st half last season.

 

[CupofOil]

I posted it yesterday.

To VAN: Yamo, Puljujarvi, Bourgault, a 2023 1st, a 2024 1st and a 2025 3rd

To EDM: Horvat ($1.5M retained) and Lazar.

That's a shit ton for a rental.
Before you say it, I don't know how they fit in an $8m+ forward on top of the 12.5, 8.5, 5, 5 and 5m forwards they have locked up long term and still ice a competitive roster to surround them.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Stauffer mentioned yesterday that they probably think Desharnais fills the same role as Schenn.

Puljujarvi for Horvat at 50%

That's one of the most obvious statements I've read. There was always going to be a long look at Desharnais this year but his training camp injury sewered that. He's a prime years behemoth with stellar AHL numbers, unique game this team lacks, and his NHL head coach and d-coach watched his steady development over years. EDIT: In short, he's the type of low risk player one hopes a team's pro scouting department might unearth...

There's only $40,000 difference between Schenn and Desharnais contract. The world of difference is NHL experience, veteran leadership and deep, successful Cup knowledge and experience. Schenn is a coveted deadline target for a lot of teams factoring in everything. Oil are wise to see what they have in Desharnais before looking outside, especially the asking price of a division rival that will have a lot of suiters for Schenn.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

That's a shit ton for a rental.
Before you say it, I don't know how they fit in an $8m+ forward on top of the 12.5, 8.5, 5, 5 and 5m forwards they have locked up long term and still ice a competitive roster to surround them.

He gets, imo, 7x7, or there abouts. His production doesn't warrant much more. And I make that deal expecting and extension. That's not the price I pay for rental.