Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Kane to Return Soon, What Does Holland Do to Get Cap Compliant?

[Jimmi McJenkins]

He probably was aware of the risks in his case, but on the other hand many players try to get the safety of having multiple years locked. But I think it made sense for him to push for a longer deal and while I understand why Holland wanted to keep Yamamoto I think the 2nd year was a risk and it seems you were right about it. Of course things can still change, but it's been a shame to have a start of the season with so many health problems. At some point LTIR for the rest of the season may become an option that plays a part in trades and cap issues.


I agree with you that Yamo didn't do anything wrong or untypical, but I didn't read Kaptah's post like he'd meant that. Anyway, health issues are always a shame and you never know how they go. Some players are more prone to them and I guess it's safe to say Yamamoto is one of them. I do hope he recovers soon, whatever he has.

He's a poster who routinely shits on Yamo, so that's Exactly how he meant it and it's gross.

I'm going to level with you, and everyone else, Players don't think their careers are going to end and plan for it, unless there are actually nearing what would be NHL retirement age. Kailer Yamamoto is not thinking "my body and brain are going to breakdown, I need to get a long contract" because humans do not work that way, unless they are dealing with a literal terminal illness.

I am pretty sure you know many players prefer a short contract to bump their value up.

You know what you meant by that shit, it's gross and get it out of here.

 

[Kaptah]

He's a poster who routinely shits on Yamo, so that's Exactly how he meant it and it's gross.

I'm going to level with you, and everyone else, Players don't think their careers are going to end and plan for it, unless there are actually nearing what would be NHL retirement age. Kailer Yamamoto is not thinking "my body and brain are going to breakdown, I need to get a long contract" because humans do not work that way, unless they are dealing with a literal terminal illness.


You know what you meant by that shit, it's gross and get it out of here.

Yamamoto knew that with his playing style and lack of size he is injury prone, and wanted to maximize his contract length to get security in case of severe injuries like the ones he has suffered this season. That is why he pushed for a 3 year deal. Facts are facts, and you are being overdramatic.

 

[McDNicks17]

IIRC Holland tried to move JP and nobody wanted him.

Holland said there was lots of interest, but no one made an offer that made the Oilers better today.

That's likely because Holland has no concept of the salary cap. Dropping $3M for a 3rd round pick would have definitely made the team better.

 

[McSuper]

It was Landeskog in the Avs series. Cheap hit



I would call trading for Kostin when he could have been had for free 2 days earlier “pulling a rabbit out of his hat”

Great insight so what it boils down to is Holland was smarter than all the other GMs that passed on him and then never traded for him. Also

 

[McSuper]

Holland said there was lots of interest, but no one made an offer that made the Oilers better today.

That's likely because Holland has no concept of the salary cap. Dropping $3M for a 3rd round pick would have definitely made the team better.

Unless those team wanted to send salary back.

 

[Whyme]

He's a poster who routinely shits on Yamo, so that's Exactly how he meant it and it's gross.

I'm going to level with you, and everyone else, Players don't think their careers are going to end and plan for it, unless there are actually nearing what would be NHL retirement age. Kailer Yamamoto is not thinking "my body and brain are going to breakdown, I need to get a long contract" because humans do not work that way, unless they are dealing with a literal terminal illness.


You know what you meant by that shit, it's gross and get it out of here.

I don't make guesses of what might be behind the actual words as it's a difficult path that will certainly do unjustice to those other posters at times. I try to stick to this with everyone, also the posters I am on the opposite side with my opinions at times. There's also times when posters state things that "shouldn't be said aloud" or which can only be said by some kind of posters, but they may still have a point.

Players almost always want to play as long as they can, but there's certainly cases where a player is uncertain of his health and thus would like a longer contract. I have no idea if Yamamoto felt like that but even if he did there was nothing wrong with it.

 

[Rengorlex]

What would you pay for a rental Horvat?

I'd be willing to part with at least any one of a 1st round pick, Bourgault or Holloway. Dunno what it would take.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

What would you pay for a rental Horvat?

I'd be willing to part with at least any one of a 1st round pick, Bourgault or Holloway. Dunno what it would take.

I posted it yesterday.

To VAN: Yamo, Puljujarvi, Bourgault, a 2023 1st, a 2024 1st and a 2025 3rd

To EDM: Horvat ($1.5M retained) and Lazar.

 

[Harry Curry]

The borderline contracts:

Nurse
Barrie

How are the Nurse and Barrie contracts in the same category?

Barrie is full value for his contract. $4.5M for a likely 50 point defenseman whose defense is ok, not great but ok. Reasonable cap hit for what he brings.

Nurse has been better the last five or six games, but he is still in the midst of a season with multiple defensive lapses. Nurse has the seventh highest cap hit (and tied with Karlsson for the highest actual salary this season) among defensemen in the league. That should at least buy you discussion about making the all-star game at this point in the season.

 

[Fourier]

We are simply not going to be able to contend when Draisaitl's contract is up. He is going to go up 3-4 million a year compared to now. Coupled with McDavid, Nurse, Campbell -- there's no hope.

The year that Draisaitl's deal is up it would not be at all unexpected to see a cap at $92M+. If it was not for escrow repayment we would be looking at a cap in the 89.5M range right now. From that you have two years of revenue increases which aside from extraordinary circumstances have always been more than 3%. That year also corresponds to the year that the $1.9M hit for Neal comes off the books. That is almost half of the $4M you would need.

The year McDavid is up Kane's $5.125M contract comes off the books. The cap should not be an issue resigning either unless something crazy happens.

 

[soothsayer]

The year that Draisaitl's deal is up it would not be at all unexpected to see a cap at $92M+. If it was not for escrow repayment we would be looking at a cap in the 89.5M range right now. From that you have two years of revenue increases which aside from extraordinary circumstances have always been more than 3%. That year also corresponds to the year that the $1.9M hit for Neal comes off the books. That is almost half of the $4M you would need.

The year McDavid is up Kane's $5.125M contract comes off the books. The cap should not be an issue resigning either unless something crazy happens.

I really hope the team can extend Draisaitl next summer (man, time flies). Every team is going to be after him, maybe especially LA, who the tv broadcast was very careful recently in reminding Oiler fans that Kopitar is off the books the year Draisaitl's contract expires and the Kings will be looking for a big center to replace him.

 

[McSuper]

Yamamoto knew that with his playing style and lack of size he is injury prone, and wanted to maximize his contract length to get security in case of severe injuries like the ones he has suffered this season. That is why he pushed for a 3 year deal. Facts are facts, and you are being overdramatic.

So you are saying Yamamoto was betting on himself being injured? I disagree. Professional athletes aren't wired that way. If they fear getting hurt they would never of made it to the NHL.

 

[McJadeddog]

The year that Draisaitl's deal is up it would not be at all unexpected to see a cap at $92M+. If it was not for escrow repayment we would be looking at a cap in the 89.5M range right now. From that you have two years of revenue increases which aside from extraordinary circumstances have always been more than 3%. That year also corresponds to the year that the $1.9M hit for Neal comes off the books. That is almost half of the $4M you would need.

The year McDavid is up Kane's $5.125M contract comes off the books. The cap should not be an issue resigning either unless something crazy happens.

Yeah we are actually setup pretty good from a "when the cap will rise" scenario for the McDrai contracts. The bigger question is whether they will WANT to re-sign at that time. I'm not concerned about the money really. I somewhat expect McDavid in particular to take a more team friendly deal wherever he ends up. The guy will have made $130-140 million by the time of his next contract (when you include endorsements, as he makes about $4-5 million/year in endorsements). He isn't going to make league minimum or anything, but I won't be surprised to see him sign a very team friendly deal, maybe even for very similar money as he makes now. Even if he signs the exact same deal, that means by the time he retires, he'll be in the $250-270 million range for career earnings, lol. Winning is going to matter to him more than money is the point.

Drai will want a bigger raise I think. Both because he is more underpaid right now, and he doesn't make that additional $4-5 million/year in endorsements. It actually wouldn't shock me to see them sign very similar deals, maybe both around the $12-13/year range, if they sign with Edmonton that is.

 

[Jumptheshark]

we trade no one

some one gets sent down

 

[McBooya42]

we trade no one

some one gets sent down

Yams probably to LTIR, and maybe Ryan goes down?

Edit, as Shore was already sent down.

 

[McTonyBrar]

At least Pulju is not always concussed like Yamamoto.

At least when Yamamoto is on the ice he does something unlike JP who can’t even win board battles with his big frame.

 

[russ99]

Why would any team take JP without some sort of payment. I can't think of a single GM out there that would qualify JP at his 3mil cap hit, so you are essentially asking them to take a 3mill cp hit player to do the Oilers a favor. Newsflash, GM's are not in the business of doing other GM's a favor.

The issue to me is the QO this summer, I'd think teams would like to give him a reclamation tryout, but if they're not going to meet the QO then he's a UFA, and frankly based on his agent to this point, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't like the UFA offers and goes back to Finland anyway.

Why give up a decent asset for someone that's gonna fly the coop in 3 months anyway. If he were under contract for even 2 years there would have been a move by now. IMO, a failure of Holland to understand the market waiting on what nobody wants to pay, and not moving him this summer.

 

[Fourier]

I really hope the team can extend Draisaitl next summer (man, time flies). Every team is going to be after him, maybe especially LA, who the tv broadcast was very careful recently in reminding Oiler fans that Kopitar is off the books the year Draisaitl's contract expires and the Kings will be looking for a big center to replace him.

I am sure that will be the plan. If he wants to stay an they offer him 8 years at $12.4M does he accept? I don't see why not unless he is concerned McDavid might leave.

 

[Fourier]

Yeah we are actually setup pretty good from a "when the cap will rise" scenario for the McDrai contracts. The bigger question is whether they will WANT to re-sign at that time. I'm not concerned about the money really. I somewhat expect McDavid in particular to take a more team friendly deal wherever he ends up. The guy will have made $130-140 million by the time of his next contract (when you include endorsements, as he makes about $4-5 million/year in endorsements). He isn't going to make league minimum or anything, but I won't be surprised to see him sign a very team friendly deal, maybe even for very similar money as he makes now. Even if he signs the exact same deal, that means by the time he retires, he'll be in the $250-270 million range for career earnings, lol. Winning is going to matter to him more than money is the point.

Drai will want a bigger raise I think. Both because he is more underpaid right now, and he doesn't make that additional $4-5 million/year in endorsements. It actually wouldn't shock me to see them sign very similar deals, maybe both around the $12-13/year range, if they sign with Edmonton that is.

I acually agree that McDavid is likely to sign for close to what he is now making. I could see both taking front loaded 8 year deals with Leon being in the $12.5-13M range and McDavid at say $14M.

Leon's deal would be more dangerous I believe because of the physical nature of his game. But you worry about him being 35 when that happens not in the next few years.

 

[Roderek]

The issue to me is the QO this summer, I'd think teams would like to give him a reclamation tryout, but if they're not going to meet the QO then he's a UFA, and frankly based on his agent to this point, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't like the UFA offers and goes back to Finland anyway.

Why give up a decent asset for someone that's gonna fly the coop in 3 months anyway. If he were under contract for even 2 years there would have been a move by now. IMO, a failure of Holland to understand the market waiting on what nobody wants to pay, and not moving him this summer.

That is exactly what I was saying. Teams are not going to spend an asset for the guy to walk. The Oilers will need to sweeten the pot, if they want to move him in a trade, or he has to be a piece to a larger trade. The QO is what ruins his 1st round pedigree value.

 

[Kaptah]

At least when Yamamoto is on the ice he does something unlike JP who can’t even win board battles with his big frame.

Yamamoto also contributes by making room for Kane. 6.2M well spent.

 

[Sanchez]

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

There it is. Devin Shore survives again. Also Gregor showing he barely pays attention to the team.

Very impressed that Kane is back already, excite to see him on the ice tonight.

 

[FlameChampion]

On a positive note, at least we know the Oilers have been looking at defenseman.

I'll be honest though, judging from the names involved - I have no idea what their ultimate plan is. I dont see how guys like Klingberg, Dumba etc help the team much. Team doesnt need more offensive guys on the right side.

Vinny coming in shows me that the RD needs an upgrade. Something I have thought for awhile. I just dont think both Barrie and Bouchard both work on the right side. Least having Vinny there as a #7D, gets guys like Barrie off the PK and helps Ceci with defensive situations.

I think its a bit of a difficult problem because the Oilers powerplay is their #1 weapon. Moving Barrie might hurt this team, more than people want to admit. Thats a lot of pressure to put on Bouchard who wasnt great in 2022 this season to run the #1 PP (If Barrie is moved). We've seen times where Bouchard gets exposed on PP like in the playoffs last year because he can be lackadaisal. (Barrie can be too sometimes but I think is less prone). But to improve their 5 on 5 play overall, I think the team needs to eventually move on from Barrie.

Another problem is that I dont think theres really that many defensive stalwarts who are good at transitioning the puck. Not that many healthy Larssons in the NHL (and hes average at best at puck transition) for example.

I do wonder if we heard more about guys like Klingberg, Dumba etc because they are actually willing to come here. We obviously know as Oilers fans, that there are lots of players who dont want to play in Edmonton and Canada in general.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

How are the Nurse and Barrie contracts in the same category?

Barrie is full value for his contract. $4.5M for a likely 50 point defenseman whose defense is ok, not great but ok. Reasonable cap hit for what he brings.

Nurse has been better the last five or six games, but he is still in the midst of a season with multiple defensive lapses. Nurse has the seventh highest cap hit (and tied with Karlsson for the highest actual salary this season) among defensemen in the league. That should at least buy you discussion about making the all-star game at this point in the season.

Is that enough though to put Barrie in the good category? He does generally play third pairing and isn't a good PKer. He is not physical or a fast skater.

If he had a contract similar to Ceci, then he would be in that good territory, but he doesn't. So the facts appear to suggest borderline.