Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Kane to Return Soon, What Does Holland Do to Get Cap Compliant?

[CycloneSweep]

Poor call. You've made clear your opinion on the 2019 draft and this player. Broberg just took a hard deflected shot between the eyes and returned to play within that game. Try playing any sport with broken ribs, let alone a high speed collision sport.

Bigger picture on an onboarding age 21 d-man is hopefully his injuries are bad luck over chronic issues. Making strides now that he's healthy. Helping this team win is vital.

Poor call? It’s a reasonable question. Yes I havent liked the player for the most part but the frequency of his various injuries is an issue. Having broken ribs to start the year definitely makes me question the medical staff but it does explain the massive step back he appeared to have made in camp.

He has played better this call up in the role he has been given. More so worries about his injuries should be looked at. He has had 3 injuries so far this year that have had him mid multiple games. Luckily none of them seem to be related but they do happen more often than you’d like.

 

[CupofOil]

I watched Daily Face off and Seravelli said that the Oilers could get an asset for JP. He didnt say what that value of the asset was. He did go on to say that there was some thought previously that the Oilers might have to give an asset to get rid of him but that wasnt the case anymore. He said overall it was good news for the Oilers.

Good to hear because the real asset to me is cap space. Getting anything of value, not a contract even a smaller one, would be a boon.
This would allow them to expand their trade deadline flexibility beyond money in money out. That would be huge

 

[CycloneSweep]

Yes, but how do you know he is available in the summer? I mean how do you know no-one else will be interested then? And how do you know he won't have a stronger end to the season and thus either have a higher price tag or he might have even signed an extension with the Oilers.

If only it was so easy that you could wait with every player till their price is lowest. The thing is you need to grab a player when there's a decent chance. If they lose a bit of salary at the end of this season it's not huge and anyway they'd have a better chance to negotiate a lower extension. That's how I see it.

No team is going to offer him his QO so he will be a free agent as I cannot see Pulju accepting less without looking around and shopping himself first.

 

[Oilhawks]

Not sure if this was already posted by one of the Doom Crew

Trade this week?

 

[McBooya42]

Not sure if this was already posted by one of the Doom Crew

Trade this week?

Maybe today...

 

[Whyme]

No team is going to offer him his QO so he will be a free agent as I cannot see Pulju accepting less without looking around and shopping himself first.

That's true and a good point. But if things click nicely enough I can see Puljujarvi wanting to stay in that team. Wouldn't they also have the spring time for negotiating a deal. I could see Puljujarvi taking something like 2 x 1.5-2 million and if he plays decently that could work for that other team. I'll take some days off from writing, but want to say I've noticed you've brought some good points in this forum without me pressing the like button as they've often been a smaller part of bigger issues.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Poor call? It’s a reasonable question. Yes I havent liked the player for the most part but the frequency of his various injuries is an issue. Having broken ribs to start the year definitely makes me question the medical staff but it does explain the massive step back he appeared to have made in camp.

He has played better this call up in the role he has been given. More so worries about his injuries should be looked at. He has had 3 injuries so far this year that have had him mid multiple games. Luckily none of them seem to be related but they do happen more often than you’d like.

The so called injury is retro-active and looking back at a sub-par training camp. It's not a new injury and really as such no reason to jump on the hyperbole of always injured tripe ... unless it is tied to an agenda which you make clear virtually every day on this site.

I think most rational people would view broken or bruised ribs as a legitimate reason for a poor stretch of play whether training camp or otherwise in a high speed collision sport. Holland and Hockey Ops might now address the matter publicly if it's out there via team PR sources.

This organization has chosen to onboard very inexperienced defensemen on a team expecting to go on deep playoff runs. It's on Holland for this critical personnel decision. Broberg has been steady since his recall and playing healthy including after taking an errant puck in the face.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

Make another category to separate Barrie and Nurse. Any categorization that lumps Barrie and Nurse together is meaningless.

How so?

He is around a million overpaid when taking into consideration the rest of the post you decided not to keep. 3.5 would put him at a good contract.

People argue that Nurse is at most 2 million overpaid. Seeing as Barrie makes 4.5 and Nurse makes 9.4, that is the same percentage of the salary cap they are overpaid. This further supports the classification. No?

 

[McDNicks17]

Weren’t you a big JP guy this off season?

The $3M made me lukewarm on him.

This team badly needed some quality gambles at $750k. Holland could have had three Kostins with that cap.

 

[FlameChampion]

Not sure if this was already posted by one of the Doom Crew

Trade this week?

Could be. Seravelli said theres interest for him.

They also are running 7D so might just be his turn to sit.

 

[McDNicks17]

Puljujarvi ($3M) for Gudas($2.5M).

The Cats need more Finns.

 

[ZJuice]

Puljujarvi ($3M) for Gudas($2.5M).

The Cats need more Finns.

I want Gudas banned from hockey.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Not sure if this was already posted by one of the Doom Crew

Trade this week?

Is it him or Dustin that thinks JP can do no wrong?

 

[Paralyzer]

Is it him or Dustin that thinks JP can do no wrong?

Dustin Neilson. He's always been a huge JP supporter.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I hope a Pulju trade means the Pulju stans would shut up about him but you know that any single moment he has a positive in a game we won’t hear the rest of it. Hell he could score a nice goal in a beer league and people would be screaming at the mistakes we made.

At the end of the day he is a a strong defensive player whose offence has dried up that we should have moved years ago when it was clear there was too much bad blood here.

 

[McDNicks17]

I want Gudas banned from hockey.

Are you jealous of his beard?

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

The $3M made me lukewarm on him.

This team badly needed some quality gambles at $750k. Holland could have had three Kostins with that cap.

Or three Dominic Kahun's.

The Oilers were never going to walk away from Puljujarvi. He was widely shopped by reports as far back as the draft. He had a largely schizophrenic season with one strong half and one brutal (following injury and covid). There was no way this organization already threadbare was going to throw away this player.

The experiment has exhausted its course. Puljujarvi will be moved quite possibly as a trade topper or for a more defined bottom six type this team is missing. Coach and GM can be confident there is no road forward with another under performing high organizational draft pick.

 

[McDNicks17]

Or three Dominic Kahun's.

The Oilers were never going to walk away from Puljujarvi. He was widely shopped by reports as far back as the draft. He had a largely schizophrenic season with one strong half and one brutal (following injury and covid). There was no way this organization already threadbare was going to throw away this player.

The experiment has exhausted its course. Puljujarvi will be moved quite possibly as a trade topper or for a more defined bottom six type this team is missing. Coach and GM can be confident there is no road forward with another under performing high organizational draft pick.

There was plenty of NHL talent out there for $750k. It's nothing like gambling on Euro UFAs.

They didn't have to let him walk. They could have traded him. Like I said, there was a bunch of interest, but Holland chose not to move him.

 

[Oilhawks]

Is it him or Dustin that thinks JP can do no wrong?

Dustin is a massive Finn fanboy (I’m guessing he has Finnish roots), he was also a major Koskinen fan if I recall correctly.

Are you jealous of his beard?

There’s only room for one guy in this league that looks like Taylor Hall and that’s Taylor Hall

 

[Sanchez]

Dustin Neilson. He's always been a huge JP supporter.

He has but he's even saying that JP hasn't done much to warrant a spot in top 6 at least.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

The issue is his qualifying offer and probable contract demands. Just wait till the off season and sign him for like 1.5 mill when no one pays him what he wants. Is probably what a lot of teams would be thinking

The qualifying offer is meaningless. Jesse’s agent knows they aren’t getting that kind of money from anyone around the league at this point. But there are probably quite a few teams who’d love him at 1.5-1.7M as you could bury most of it if need be, its a low cost bet that maybe he puts it together on his second team and at the very least you’ve got a useful NHL body with decent advanced stats.

If you’re a non playoff team with a weak top 9 or need players to fill spots you’ve created trading away your rentals then it’s a pretty good situation, you get to test out the player for a quarter of a season without having to offer a guaranteed contract next year and being married to it. You hold his rights and can try to negotiate a deal before the qo period and if you can’t come to terms then let him go to ufa and could still have a chance to sign him. All you’re doing by taking him to end this year is giving yourself more information and more options.


I wouldn’t be surprised if there are offers on the table but from Hollands perspective with Kane going down the need for cap space wasn’t pressing and he probably thought it was a good idea to hang onto the extra nhl level fwd until Kane came back, now Yams is out so he’s got some more time to sort it out, it also reduces dollar cost for acquiring team, even if it’s only very slightly.

My guess is that Jesse is traded either for between a 3-5 round pick (3rd highly optimistic side) or a bottom 6 pk option on an expiring contract making less then 2M or and less likely in a project swap.

 

[CycloneSweep]

The qualifying offer is meaningless. Jesse’s agent knows they aren’t getting that kind of money from anyone around the league at this point. But there are probably quite a few teams who’d love him at 1.5-1.7M as you could bury most of it if need be, its a low cost bet that maybe he puts it together on his second team and at the very least you’ve got a useful NHL body with decent advanced stats.

If you’re a non playoff team with a weak top 9 or need players to fill spots you’ve created trading away your rentals then it’s a pretty good situation, you get to test out the player for a quarter of a season without having to offer a guaranteed contract next year and being married to it. You hold his rights and can try to negotiate a deal before the qo period and if you can’t come to terms then let him go to ufa and could still have a chance to sign him. All you’re doing by taking him to end this year is giving yourself more information and more options.


I wouldn’t be surprised if there are offers on the table but from Hollands perspective with Kane going down the need for cap space wasn’t pressing and he probably thought it was a good idea to hang onto the extra nhl level fwd until Kane came back, now Yams is out so he’s got some more time to sort it out, it also reduces dollar cost for acquiring team, even if it’s only very slightly.

My guess is that Jesse is traded either for between a 3-5 round pick (3rd highly optimistic side) or a bottom 6 pk option on an expiring contract making less then 2M or and less likely in a project swap.

The issue is still his cap hit. Not a lot of try and see teams would be willing to eat that cap on a project, even this year. And the kind of teams that Pulju would probably agree to sign with are not the teams with the cap space.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

I watched Daily Face off and Seravelli implied that the Oilers could get an asset for JP. He didnt say what that value of the asset was. He did go on to say that there was some thought previously that the Oilers might have to give an asset to get rid of him but it didnt appear to be the case anymore. He said overall it was good news for the Oilers.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

The issue is still his cap hit. Not a lot of try and see teams would be willing to eat that cap on a project, even this year. And the kind of teams that Pulju would probably agree to sign with are not the teams with the cap space.

It’s not at all though, most of the try and see teams will be sending out cap at the deadline so they’ll have space and once the deadline is past they can’t do anything with that space anyway. The real issue would be real dollars and by that time he’d be owed about 1M but the Oilers could take back a contract to somewhat offset that 1M and then just bury that contract in the minors.

Pulju isn’t going to be able to be picky. His best options situation wise are probably going to be the kind of teams we’re talking about, weak top 6 with a possible spot on the pp

 

[Spawn]

Could be. Seravelli said theres interest for him.

They also are running 7D so might just be his turn to sit.

Yah I wonder if it’s the latter as well. Ryan sat for a couple, Foegele sat for a couple. Might just be the rotation now waiting for someone to grab a spot.