Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | If Babcock is Our New Coach Will Players Want to Come Here?

[Mez]

Im pretty happy about signing Dick and Murphy for 8 mil.

 

[Canovin]

I had heard from someone I trust (before this quote came out) that Babs was ripping on McDavid, and Connor absolute loved it

Better to be a dick than a b*tch

 

[Old Boys Club]

4M is right in line with what I was expecting. 1 year too much term and the NMC is not ideal, but 4 M will be bottom pairing money in 2 years

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

The rest of the division is in the US or they're uncompetitive Calgary, the rules are different there. Plus Stan sucks.

I mean even Mattias Janmark has some form of trade protection. As does the goalie we want to get rid of.

I would wager roughly halfway through the Dickinson and Murphy contracts we will be looking to move them.

 

[1981 Oilers]

I keep on checking in and waiting for the ball to drop on the Nurse trade and coach hiring. Sounds like Murphy is re-signing. I like that. One would figure it will go down before draft day. Hopefully we dont get P-Diddy'ed without the Baby Oil in this trade ffs

 

[Louis Cypher]

I was reading earlier that the Oilers had 8 players on NMCs, Vancouver had 7, and the rest of the division had 10 combined.
Bump that number up to 9 I guess.

Stan Bowman is truly a master negotiator.

Ask yourself where you want to live in February.

Alberta or California/Nevada

 

[1981 Oilers]

I mean even Mattias Janmark has some form of trade protection. As does the goalie we want to get rid of.

I would wager roughly halfway through the Dickinson and Murphy contracts we will be looking to move them.

I'm gonna be an optimist. Fella who just got Conn Smythe is 37. Players are playing older now and are keeping themselves in tip top shape

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I mean even Mattias Janmark has some form of trade protection. As does the goalie we want to get rid of.

Yup, Janmark is just a weird bad deal lol. The Oilers didn't give that shitty goalie the trade protection, but it sucks. I think moving him with retaining a decent amount is the best way forward.

I would wager roughly halfway through the Dickinson and Murphy contracts we will be looking to move them.

We can only hope. If cap goes up along the way, that should mitigate things. Bad contracts and a long flat cap was murder for the Oilers.

Also, Stan sucks.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Happy to get Murphy re-signed, but it really goes to show you how much losing Larsson hurt. Not even mentioning Klefbom.

Losing two emerging prime year top four d-men for nothing is a significant piece of this team's frustrations. Took them years and trade capital to replace Larsson.

I like Murphy alot for his character, leadership, low maintenance and hard ice game. Term is tough but that's the Canadian Tax in the modern era of entitlement.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Ask yourself where you want to live in February.

Alberta or California/Nevada

Considering that they spend roughly half the season away from Alberta it's kind of a moot point.

Doling out trade protection to virtually every player we sign is just bad management. The Flames in the early 2010s had about half their roster tied up on trade clauses.

Nurse would be at least a bit easier to deal if we had free reign to send him wherever we wanted.

 

[Canovin]

Bowman probably got Babcock doing all the new contract negotiations

 

[McTonyBrar]

the least surprising deal yet
too long....check
NMC...check
Bowman special

AAV isn't terrible though

Man how do you guys not know that players have agents and they probably agree to less money if they get a NMC. If you have a problem with NMCs, go complain to the NHL.

Go check how many NMCs and NTCs Carolina has.

I'll be waiting.

 

[McTonyBrar]

 

[North]

Man how do you guys not know that players have agents and they probably agree to less money if they get a NMC. If you have a problem with NMCs, go complain to the NHL.

Go check how many NMCs and NTCs Carolina has.

I'll be waiting.

It’s the cost of doing business.

These guys are willing to extend with us but want control in case things don’t work out.

 

[McTonyBrar]

This guy is actually such a huge f***ing idiot on EST.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Man how do you guys not know that players have agents and they probably agree to less money if they get a NMC. If you have a problem with NMCs, go complain to the NHL.

Go check how many NMCs and NTCs Carolina has.

I'll be waiting.

Getting players' asks down to about where they should be because of NMCs isn't exactly a great indicator of management's ability.

We gave Trent Frederic a full NMC too, by the way.

Just a quick glance at our lineup, the only players not under some form of trade protection next year are:

Podkolzin (which kicks in the final year of his extension), Bouchard (which kicks in the following season), and Ty Emberson.

 

[oobga]

the least surprising deal yet
too long....check
NMC...check
Bowman special

AAV isn't terrible though

Damn, for some reason I thought Murphy was ~30 too. Deal takes him to 38.

 

[Mez]

Bowman probably got Babcock doing all the new contract negotiations

"listen you pathetic worm, sign at the price I want or I will deep dive your private photos and leak them,"
-Babcock probably

 

[Dazed and Confused]

It's not like Babcock is some defensive guru. His Leafs teams and Red Wings teams without Lidstrom were mediocre defensively, middle of the pack generally at best.

If the Oilers can be middle of the pack defensively next year that would be a significant improvement over the gong show of last season. Not good enough to compete for anything important, but at least good enough probably to be a 100+ point team again.

When you look at those 2010 Wings teams, or the Leafs, I'd actually say he overachieved defensively.

This was his defence the last year with the Wings

And his last full year with the Leafs.

He and his staff made playoff-quality lemonade out of some fairly s**ty lemons.


Babcock runs a fairly high-pressure, but defensive system. He wants to force mistakes, but counts on the backside away from the puck to be skating and rotating quickly to either loop back and stop a developing odd-man situation, or attack and jump on a bobbled puck.

Not dissimilar from what Lavy, Maurice, or Q run, who all come from the same generation of coaches.


You can contrast that to Knob, who ran a fairly basic system, but with a wrinkle that he wanted to set up isos and 1v1s, where his players could out-skate (McDavid, McLeod, McLovin, Holloway, Kapanen, Janmark, Brown), or out-muscle (Kane, Drai, Podz, Hyman) the one guy they're up against to get a leveraged position.

That's why guys who were unable to generate separation (Skinner, RV, Maggie, Fred, Perry, Rico) all looked especially useless under him, unless they were with 2 guys that created space. (Rico with Janmark and Brown, Perry with McDrai, ect)

 

[oobga]

Lucky number is 5 this summer.

Babcock probably gets 5 years too

 

[ConnorNova0929]

Murphy will be 38 when his deal expires and Ekholm will be 39 when his expires.

But that's going to be someone else's problem. It's all about getting the AAV down for the next few years.

 

[Soundwave]

Lucky number is 5 this summer.

Babcock probably gets 5 years too

5 years w/a full NPC (no phone clause)

 

[Forgot About Drai]

Good piece of business on Murphy. Very happy with that

 

[1981 Oilers]

Losing two emerging prime year top four d-men for nothing is a significant piece of this team's frustrations. Took them years and trade capital to replace Larsson.

I like Murphy alot for his character, leadership, low maintenance and hard ice game. Term is tough but that's the Canadian Tax in the modern era of entitlement.

And thats what people need to understand, the "Canadian Tax". Sounds like u get it. I call it a cold weather tax. Basically, we have to pay a player more to come here. I wish the NHL could come up with a contract for players that each contract is the same league wide. 5 mil here is the same as 5 mil in Florida or Vegas. I know it will never happen but I'd like to see it. I'm sick of seeing a player request a trade and he lists the same 4 teams as everyone else, Florida, Vegas, Dallas, Tampa. Reminds of those " Super teams" in basketball

 

[Forgot About Drai]

When you look at those 2010 Wings teams, or the Leafs, I'd actually say he overachieved defensively.

This was his defence the last year with the Wings
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And his last full year with the Leafs.
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He and his staff made playoff-quality lemonade out of some fairly s**ty lemons.


Babcock runs a fairly high-pressure, but defensive system. He wants to force mistakes, but counts on the backside away from the puck to be skating and rotating quickly to either loop back and stop a developing odd-man situation, or attack and jump on a bobbled puck.

Not dissimilar from what Lavy, Maurice, or Q run, who all come from the same generation of coaches.


You can contrast that to Knob, who ran a fairly basic system, but with a wrinkle that he wanted to set up isos and 1v1s, where his players could out-skate (McDavid, McLeod, McLovin, Holloway, Kapanen, Janmark, Brown), or out-muscle (Kane, Drai, Podz, Hyman) the one guy they're up against to get a leveraged position.

That's why guys who were unable to generate separation (Skinner, RV, Maggie, Fred, Perry, Rico) all looked especially useless under him, unless they were with 2 guys that created space. (Rico with Janmark and Brown, Perry with McDrai, ect)

This did spark the smallest amount of optimism in me.