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What does Bowman trade for first?

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Mr Positive said:
I'd say no because the cost favors Boston too much.
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A 1st for Marchy isn't too bad. Not thrilled on giving up Rodrigue, just because with our luck and history with goalies, I can see him thriving elsewhere.

I'd want to try and get Kastelic from them too. Not sure his value, but a relatively young, big, physical RHC who is good on the dot would be a great add.
 
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Alex Tuch would be my #1 target with 36 EVP this year.

Marchand would be # 2 with 33 EVP.

Donato would be #3 with 32 EVP.

Any of those guys would be huge improvements for this year.

By contrast Hyman has 23 EVP, RNH has 21, J Skinner has 19 and Arvidsson had 17.
 
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soothsayer said:
Really? He would definitely return a first if he does get traded, and Rodrigue is a low-level prospect frankly. I think that would be an easy yes from the Oilers.
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He isn't a low level prospect. Maybe not tier 1 but was in the NHL prospect showcase this summer. Low level prospects don't get picked for that.
 
guymez said:
How do you define elite?
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That’s an elite stretch imo.
 
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McDoused said:
Alex Tuch would be my #1 target with 36 EVP this year.

Marchand would be # 2 with 33 EVP.

Donato would be #3 with 32 EVP.

Any of those guys would be huge improvements for this year.

By contrast Hyman has 23 EVP, RNH has 21, J Skinner has 19 and Arvidsson had 17.
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Tuch would be unreal. He’s also on my fantasy team so that would be just fantastic heading into playoffs.

No way we win that bidding war though.
 
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TopShelfGloveSide said:
For that long of a stretch? Yes.
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If you go through the years of NHL sv% data you will find that 0.914 is not elite.

I would suggest that to be elite your sv% would have to be a top 5 of NHL goalies.
That suggests that your sv% has to be at or just under 0.920.

I think that most posters would agree with that but some posters might even suggest that elite is a top 3 goalie in the NHL. That means a sv% of 0.920 or better. thats proabaly where I would suggest the demarc for elite is but this is about your definition of elite.

You also have to have a minimum number of games played and that means that Gibsons stats prior to 2015/16 do not count as the sv% is skewed due to not enough games.
So we are really talking about 3 years of elite goaltending based on sv%.

If you go through the data year after year you will find that a 0.914 sv% is going to be around 11th - 12th overall.

So 3 out of the 10 years had Gibsons numbers in the elite catagory. The last time that happened was in 2017/18. 7 years ago.

So your argument is that Gibsons elite stretch (which happened 7 years ago) can be predicted by his 25 games of 0.911 sv% this season?

Just as a note of interest...Skinner had a sv% of 0.914 in 2022/23. He played 50 games that season as well.
One of his 3 seasons as a starter he was elite according to your definition.
So in 33% of Skinners career he was an elite goalie....acording to your demarc of 0.914 sv%.
 
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guymez said:
If you go through the years of NHL sv% data you will find that 0.914 is not elite.

I would suggest that to be elite your sv% would have to be a top 5 of NHL goalies.
That suggests that your sv% has to be at or just under 0.920.

I think that most posters would agree with that but some posters might even suggest that elite is a top 3 goalie in the NHL. That means a sv% of over 0.920.

You also have to have a minimum number of games played and that means that Gibsons stats prior to 2015/16 do not count as the sv% is skewed due to not enough games.
So we are really talking about 3 years of elite goaltending based on sv%.

If you go through the data year after year you will find that a 0.914 sv% is going to be around 11th - 12th overall.

So 3 out of the 10 years had Gibsons numbers in the elite catagory. The last time that happened was in 2017/18. 7 years ago.

So your argument is that Gibsons elite stretch (which happened 7 years ago) can be predicted by his 25 games of 0.914 sv% this season?

Just as a note of interest...Skinner had a sv% of 0.914 in 2022/23. He played 50 games that season as well.
One of his 3 seasons as a starter he was elite according to your definition.
So in 33% of Skinners career he was an elite goalie....acording to your demarc of 0.914 sv%.
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Blah blah Skinner is the greatest goalie in the NHL blah blah it’s the stats and everyone’s eyes who are wrong blah
 
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soothsayer said:
The guy may not have been elite for 6 straight years, but he did have a stretch where he was arguably a top 5 goaltender. From 2015 to 2019, he was excellent with a few vezina-caliber years in there.
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I would say for 3 years but the problem is that he hasnt been close to that level for 7 years now and a 25 game sample size of 0.911 is not predictive of a return to elite level goaltending.

VeteranPresence said:
Blah blah Skinner is the greatest goalie in the NHL blah blah it’s the stats and everyone’s eyes who are wrong blah
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Okay...put the bottle down and go watch a comedy. ;)
 
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guymez said:
I would say for 3 years but the problem is that he hasnt been close to that level for 7 years now and a 25 game sample size of 0.914 is not predictive of a return to elite level goaltending.
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I agree it's been too long to expect him to get back to that caliber. That said, I think he could be a top 10 goalie again in the right circumstances. I don't think Skinner could ever be that. That's where my cost-benefit analysis sways me toward Gibson personally. I've always been a big fan.
 
guymez said:
If you go through the years of NHL sv% data you will find that 0.914 is not elite.

I would suggest that to be elite your sv% would have to be a top 5 of NHL goalies.
That suggests that your sv% has to be at or just under 0.920.

I think that most posters would agree with that but some posters might even suggest that elite is a top 3 goalie in the NHL. That means a sv% of over 0.920.

You also have to have a minimum number of games played and that means that Gibsons stats prior to 2015/16 do not count as the sv% is skewed due to not enough games.
So we are really talking about 3 years of elite goaltending based on sv%.

If you go through the data year after year you will find that a 0.914 sv% is going to be around 11th - 12th overall.

So 3 out of the 10 years had Gibsons numbers in the elite catagory. The last time that happened was in 2017/18. 7 years ago.

So your argument is that Gibsons elite stretch (which happened 7 years ago) can be predicted by his 25 games of 0.914 sv% this season?

Just as a note of interest...Skinner had a sv% of 0.914 in 2022/23. He played 50 games that season as well.
One of his 3 seasons as a starter he was elite according to your definition.
So in 33% of Skinners career he was an elite goalie....acording to your demarc of 0.914 sv%.
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Oh come on. He was an elite goalie for a long stretch and you are just being ridiculous trying to deny that.

Your skinner part doesn’t even deserve a response. It’s pretty clear that I’m not saying 1 season means elite.
 
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Oilhawks said:
Gibson has been elite, even if his best days are behind him. Stuart never has been and never will be
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Funny thing is, the doubt on Gibson is exactly the same kind of things I heard months ago about why some posters were against trading for Blackwood.

Imagine Skinner playing on Eakins coached shit ducks team. He'd probably be in the Euro leagues already.
 
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soothsayer said:
I agree it's been too long to expect him to get back to that caliber. That said, I think he could be a top 10 goalie again in the right circumstances. I don't think Skinner could ever be that. That's where my cost-benefit analysis sways me toward Gibson personally. I've always been a big fan.
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I would agree with you on the highlighted.
I think that there may be potential for that but I just dont know if 25 games at 0.911 is enough for me to to be convinced of that.

Its a risky move.

TopShelfGloveSide said:
This post is so dumb.
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Okay...explain why.
 
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Tarus said:
A low 1st round pick and nothing prospect for a Marchand rental favors Boston too much?

Oilers paid that for Henrique, and Marchand is a much better player.
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Oilers grossly overpaid for Henrique. The oilers were the only team to give up a 1st rounder last deadline. Better players went for less
 
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