Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread: Help Wanted

[MessierII]

Funny thing is, the doubt on Gibson is exactly the same kind of things I heard months ago about why some posters were against trading for Blackwood

Big difference is one guy is in his 30’s. That’s not even getting into the contract situation.

 

[LTIR]

Is this true?

Could be true if one can read reporters talk..

Did he have subtitles on as the reporters were talking?

 

[McAsuno]

Big difference is one guy is in his 30’s

John Gibson's 31 years old. Why the f*** should that a problem?
Bobrovsky won the cup as a 35 year old.
He's also only 3 years older than Blackwood. What kind of difference are you talking about?

 

[soothsayer]

I would agree with you on the highlighted.
I think that there may be potential for that but I just dont know if 25 games at 0.914 is enough for me to to be convinced of that.

Its a risky move.


Okay...explain why.

If the Oilers could get him at 50%, then I would do it in a heartbeat, because I don't think he would be as bad as Skinner, and he's got that upside. That's my thinking. I'm really low on Skinner and high on Gibson.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

I suspect that Spector does not really understand the cap implications. The best case scenario for the Oilers would be that they knew 100% for sure that Kane was out. That would effectively make him a free add for the playoffs and they could still use his space. Technically they my have a few more dollars if they deal him but we are talking less than 30K.

I'm not sure if Spector is alluding to this, but he's technically right that the Oilers would have more effective space if they're not operating in LTIR, when you consider proration

 

[Tarus]

Oilers grossly overpaid for Henrique. The oilers were the only team to give up a 1st rounder last deadline. Better players went for less

At the time, not really. Henrique was a pretty well regarded top 6 forward/2nd line center with a decent rep for scoring 20 goals/50 points with consistency.

In hindsight it looks like an overpay, but that's mostly because he's been pigeonholed as a 3rd/4th line defensive center by a coach who has been a drag on the roster this year with biased lineup choices.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

If he wants to get in game shape he can accept a conditioning stint in the AHL. With an agreed upon extension he could get about 6 games in. Of course there is a risk that the NHL could deny the extension.

You can't request an extension after the trade deadline, unfortunately. It'll be a maximum of 3 games, or more likely 2.

 

[MessierII]

Oilers grossly overpaid for Henrique. The oilers were the only team to give up a 1st rounder last deadline. Better players went for less

That’s not true. Vegas traded their first in the hanifin trade and another in the hertl trade. Carolina gave one up in the guenztel trade. Van in the lindholm trade, jets in the Monahan trade.

 

[guymez]

If the Oilers could get him at 50%, then I would do it in a heartbeat, because I don't think he would be as bad as Skinner, and he's got that upside. That's my thinking. I'm really low on Skinner and high on Gibson.

So you are essentially betting that Gibson can be better than Skinner and its a good risk with enough retention.
Okay. That makes sense to me...I understand your thinking here.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

So you are essentially betting that Gibson can be better than Skinner and its a good risk with enough retention.
Okay. That makes sense to me...I understand your thinking here.

 

[MessierII]

John Gibson's 31 years old. Why the f*** should that a problem?
Bobrovsky won the cup as a 35 year old.
He's also only 3 years older than Blackwood. What kind of difference are you talking about?

Gibsons contract is the problem. It’s easier to take a flyer on a guy not making a ton who doesn’t have term. Gibson is older, makes a ton and has term. It’s also about mileage. Gibson made the NHL young and was a starter young. He’s played a crap ton more hockey.

 

[LTIR]

Kane likely doesn't have teams like BOS or PIT on his no trade list...

Maybe he could be part of the package for someone like Carlo or Karlsson for RD.. or someone like Marchand or Crosby up front

 

[McAsuno]

Gibsons contract is the problem. It’s easier to take a flyer on a guy not making a ton who doesn’t have term. Gibson is older, makes a ton and has term. It’s also about mileage. Gibson made the NHL young and was a starter young. He’s played a crap ton more hockey.

I can at least understand that argument in regards to the contract, but Gibson's only 31 compared to Blackwood's 28. That's really not a huge difference especially in goaltending, especially when the likes of Bobrovsky won the cup as a 35 year old. Hell, we played an old ass 40 year Mike Smith years ago. I say the ducks playing Gibson too much was the main problem on why he was gassed out. That won't happen here imo. He'd be able to share the load more properly in net.

 

[guymez]

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Oh come on. He was an elite goalie for a long stretch and you are just being ridiculous trying to deny that.

Your skinner part doesn’t even deserve a response. It’s pretty clear that I’m not saying 1 season means elite.

Out come the memes...

Gibson has only played 25 games and his sv% of 0.911 wasnt even as good as Skinners sv% of 0.914 over 50 games. The Skinner part was posted to show you how meaningless 1 season can be...nevermind 25 games in a season.

Dude...you're floundering big time trying to support your dubious claim for predicting elite level goaltending from a 25 game sample size at 0.911 sv%.

I would say good effort but....

I mean you could have salvaged your position by walking back the elite goaltending nonsense and just saying you are betting that Gibson can be better than Skinner.

That at least makes some sense.

 

[Mr Kot]

Jack Hughes just had a really nasty injury. Devils might now suddenly look like a trade partner.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Out come the memes...

Gibson has only played 25 games and his sv$ of 0.911 was even as good as Skinners sv% of 0.914 over 50 games. The Skinner part was posted to show you how meaningless 1 season can be...nevermind 25 games in a season.

Dude...you're floundering big time trying to support your dubious claim for predicting elite level goaltending from a 25 game sample size at 0.911 sv%.

I would say good effort but....

You just aren’t picking up what I'm putting down dude.

 

[Dirk Dangler]

We are talking about a small 25 game sample size here as opposed to much more meaningful 241 games over the previous 5 seasons
So I dont see investigating 25 games as a meaningful exercise.

The bigger question for me is...why did Gibson suck for 5 years?

Who was his coach?

 

[guymez]

You just aren’t picking up what I'm putting down dude.

Oh I got it...you just arent supporting what you are putting down.

EDIT: @TopShelfGloveSide just saw your latest meme.
So you have walked back your position which was good judgement.

I think that Gibson could be better than Skinner too.
If they can get a significant retention then I could support that move.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Give me Binnington all things considered equal. I think that Gibson is an upgrade on Stu, but Binnington I think is the guy that will drag our team into battle.

 

[McAsuno]

Out come the memes...

Gibson has only played 25 games and his sv% of 0.911 wasnt even as good as Skinners sv% of 0.914 over 50 games. The Skinner part was posted to show you how meaningless 1 season can be...nevermind 25 games in a season.

Dude...you're floundering big time trying to support your dubious claim for predicting elite level goaltending from a 25 game sample size at 0.911 sv%.

I would say good effort but....

Blackwood posted a .911 19GP with a horrific sharks team this season and now he's posting a .921 with 25GP Avs.

Gibson 25GP .911 with the ducks currently. I'm confident enough to say his numbers would go up too especially on an Oilers team that's been relatively good defensively this season.

 

[guymez]

Who was his coach?

Goalie coach? Head coach?

 

[MessierII]

I can at least understand that argument in regards to the contract, but Gibson's only 31 compared to Blackwood's 28. That's really not a huge difference especially in goaltending, especially when the likes of Bobrovsky won the cup as a 35 year old. Hell, we played an old ass 40 year Mike Smith years ago. I say the ducks playing Gibson too much was the main problem on why he was gassed out. That won't happen here imo. He'd be able to share the load more properly in net.

I guess it’s just the fact he hasn’t been good since his mid 20’s. If we could keep skinner yes that would be ideal. It’s the two extra years that hold everything up. It would cost to get retention and we don’t have a ton of assets to pay extra for that stuff. Even at 50% those two extra years bring a lot of risk for a guy having his frost good season of the 2020’s.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

If I had to rank potential goalie options:

Gibson with signficant retention
Vejmelka
Gibson without retention
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Binnington

 

[McAsuno]

I guess it’s just the fact he hasn’t been good since his mid 20’s. If we could keep skinner yes that would be ideal. It’s the two extra years that hold everything up. It would cost to get retention and we don’t have a ton of assets to pay extra for that stuff. Even at 50% those two extra years bring a lot of risk for a guy having his frost good season of the 2020’s.

Call me a disgruntled fan, but I'm tired of having to hear the reasons every year like don't have assets, dollar in dollar out, etc on why this team can never pull off good trades and going for the bare minimum.

 

[guymez]

Blackwood posted a .911 19GP with a horrific sharks team this season and now he's posting a .921 with 25GP Avs.

Gibson 25GP .911 with the ducks currently. I'm confident enough to say his numbers would go up too especially on an Oilers team that's been relatively good defensively this season.

If you are saying that Gibson could be an improvement on Skinner then sure...I could believe that.
He is only 31 years old too which isnt that old for a goalie. A retention would be required too though.

@TopShelfGloveSide was making a claim about elite goaltending though and his supporting argument just doesnt wash.